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RE: The only real way to save the Bowl System
(08-31-2018 10:43 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(08-31-2018 10:36 AM)YNot Wrote:  The way to Make the Bowl System Great Again would be to eliminate conference tie-ins for many of the bowl games. This would allow for more attractive regional matchups and lighten the travel burden for fan bases, especially to lower-tier bowl games.

But neither the schools / conferences nor the bowls want this. The networks don't want it either. If nobody wants it, what makes it happen?

The bottom 20 bowls or so should have autonomy and select who they want the way bowls used to be. Big money bowls get the big programs, and a lot more interesting match-ups could occur. A lot of garbage match-ups are found in the bottom 20 bowls.

I don't know why the lower tier bowls want to be locked-in.
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RE: The only real way to save the Bowl System
Frankly, I think the current system does a great job of matching teams from the top of the bowl lineup to the bottom. Much better than in "the old days". This is a solution in search of a problem.
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RE: The only real way to save the Bowl System
(08-31-2018 12:28 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(08-31-2018 11:00 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  In the mythic "perfect world" Conference X would have the same number of ties as before, Conference Y would as well and so would Z. The difference would be that TV, the bowls and conferences wouldn't be locked into X1 vs Y2 and X2 vs Z1 and Y1 vs Z2 like now, instead those would flex based on geography and interest.

Don't need the NCAA meddling in the system to do that. Example: A group of 6 bowl games could make a deal with multiple conferences (and/or independent teams) to fill the 12 spots in their bowl games every year, each bowl not being tied into the same two conferences every year.

Easier without the NCAA. But still improbable.
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RE: The only real way to save the Bowl System
(08-31-2018 12:01 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  
(08-31-2018 10:55 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Personally, I'd drop the number of bowls to like 20 or 25. Bowls used to be a reward for a good season. Now, they are a reward if you were able to beat 1 FCS school plus get lucky a handful of other times. If anything, there is a better chance of reaching 65 bowls for all 130 teams rather than dropping down to 20.

Without a lot of bowls we would go back to a 6-6 SEC/BIG/ACC team with 4 wins over weak out of conference teams (including one FCS) and two wins over other weak SEC/BIG/ACC teams getting in over a 9-3 or 10-2 G5 team. That's a no for me.

Now, if the bowls didn't have to be contracted with conferences and they had some common sense rules for taking teams based on record then maybe I'm good with it. But I don't trust that would ever happen, so until then give me all the bowls.

I agree. So let's make some rules.

The bowl system becomes a draft system.

Bowl Tiers (based on pay out and prestige/history)

Tier 1: greater than 8 million (4 million per team)
Picks 1-4 cfp.
Picks 5-12 ny6


Tier 2: 6 million plus
Citrus
Alamo
Outback
Holiday
Texas

Tier 3: 2-6 million
Camping World Bowl
Music City Bowl
Pinstripe
Belk
Liberty
Sun
Gator
San Fransisco
Vegas
Military

Tier 4: 900,000-1.8 million
Serve Pro
Biringham
Dollar General
Independence
Gaspirilla
Cheeze it
New Mexico
Hawai'i
Boca Raton
Idaho Famous Potato


Tier 5: 900,000 or less
Armed Forces
New Orleans
Frisco
Cure
Quicklane
Arizona
Camellia
Bahamas


Each tier is randomly drawn for order of selection

Teams are divided up by wins:

10 games + only teams within 1 win may be selected over you. If you have 11 wins and everyone else has 9 you must be selected.

8-9 games only teams within two wins can be selected over you. A six win team can not be chosen before a nine win team.

All teams must win 6 games and be .500 or above.

Any team can turn down an invitation to a bowl but lose their place protection for that tier on picks. The bowl will select another team from the pool available. So if a 10-2 team turns down a Music City Bowl invite, they can have any team selected before them for a tier 3 invite.

The 1 win and 2 win margin protections insure a good team is not left out for a popular mediocre team. It also gives the bowls flexibility to keep regional match ups. Bowl that offer the most stability and exposure are rewarded with top picks to create the best popular match ups.

Bowls will scout teams and casual fans will have bowls promoted to them. The fans will tune in for the bowl draft order draw like they do for group drawings for the world cup. Where you end up will be speculated on like teams being sent to sites for basketball selections.

The actual draft will have fans watching to see what match ups are made, who turns down invites, maybe which teams get left out or which bowls miss teams to fill it. It'll be like selection Sunday on steroids and drawn out.

Do the random draft order selection for each tier the day after cfp rankings are announced, tier 5 would be randomly drawn first in early November and finish with tier two's random draw the week before conference title games. Have the play offs announced and then bowl team draft a few days later.
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RE: The only real way to save the Bowl System
(08-31-2018 01:37 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(08-31-2018 12:01 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  
(08-31-2018 10:55 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Personally, I'd drop the number of bowls to like 20 or 25. Bowls used to be a reward for a good season. Now, they are a reward if you were able to beat 1 FCS school plus get lucky a handful of other times. If anything, there is a better chance of reaching 65 bowls for all 130 teams rather than dropping down to 20.

Without a lot of bowls we would go back to a 6-6 SEC/BIG/ACC team with 4 wins over weak out of conference teams (including one FCS) and two wins over other weak SEC/BIG/ACC teams getting in over a 9-3 or 10-2 G5 team. That's a no for me.

Now, if the bowls didn't have to be contracted with conferences and they had some common sense rules for taking teams based on record then maybe I'm good with it. But I don't trust that would ever happen, so until then give me all the bowls.

I agree. So let's make some rules.

The bowl system becomes a draft system.

Bowl Tiers (based on pay out and prestige/history)

Tier 1: greater than 8 million (4 million per team)
Picks 1-4 cfp.
Picks 5-12 ny6


Tier 2: 6 million plus
Citrus
Alamo
Outback
Holiday
Texas

Tier 3: 2-6 million
Camping World Bowl
Music City Bowl
Pinstripe
Belk
Liberty
Sun
Gator
San Fransisco
Vegas
Military

Tier 4: 900,000-1.8 million
Serve Pro
Biringham
Dollar General
Independence
Gaspirilla
Cheeze it
New Mexico
Hawai'i
Boca Raton
Idaho Famous Potato


Tier 5: 900,000 or less
Armed Forces
New Orleans
Frisco
Cure
Quicklane
Arizona
Camellia
Bahamas


Each tier is randomly drawn for order of selection

Teams are divided up by wins:

10 games + only teams within 1 win may be selected over you. If you have 11 wins and everyone else has 9 you must be selected.

8-9 games only teams within two wins can be selected over you. A six win team can not be chosen before a nine win team.

All teams must win 6 games and be .500 or above.

Any team can turn down an invitation to a bowl but lose their place protection for that tier on picks. The bowl will select another team from the pool available. So if a 10-2 team turns down a Music City Bowl invite, they can have any team selected before them for a tier 3 invite.

The 1 win and 2 win margin protections insure a good team is not left out for a popular mediocre team. It also gives the bowls flexibility to keep regional match ups. Bowl that offer the most stability and exposure are rewarded with top picks to create the best popular match ups.

Bowls will scout teams and casual fans will have bowls promoted to them. The fans will tune in for the bowl draft order draw like they do for group drawings for the world cup. Where you end up will be speculated on like teams being sent to sites for basketball selections.

The actual draft will have fans watching to see what match ups are made, who turns down invites, maybe which teams get left out or which bowls miss teams to fill it. It'll be like selection Sunday on steroids and drawn out.

Do the random draft order selection for each tier the day after cfp rankings are announced, tier 5 would be randomly drawn first in early November and finish with tier two's random draw the week before conference title games. Have the play offs announced and then bowl team draft a few days later.

This would encourage teams to continue the charade of easy buy games making up most of the OOC schedule. Lame.
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RE: The only real way to save the Bowl System
(08-31-2018 10:04 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(08-31-2018 09:22 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  05-stirthepot The only real way to make the bowel system strong again is having a 16 team team playoff. Eight bowels in round one, four bowels in round two, two bowels in round three, and the champion ship round. So you now have 15 bowel games that mean something. In fact, if you use 32 teams, then you have 31 bowl games and they all have value! This would save the bowel system and increase revenue for the schools. 07-coffee3

There's no saving my bowel system.

01-wingedeagle I cannot believe I did bowel instead of bowl. Just had to much $hit on my mind! It was just my day to be a dumb@ss, I guess! 03-lmfao
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RE: The only real way to save the Bowl System
(08-31-2018 01:22 PM)ken d Wrote:  Frankly, I think the current system does a great job of matching teams from the top of the bowl lineup to the bottom. Much better than in "the old days". This is a solution in search of a problem.

I agree that we get generally better match-ups overall. It could be fine-tuned but no matter what you are going to get some clunkers.

It would be unusual seeing #1 vs unranked (1984 Holiday) #2 facing an unranked (1975 Liberty), #6 vs unranked (1981 Fiesta) #8 vs unranked (1976 Fiesta and 1982 Sun), #9 vs unranked (1979 Holiday), #10 vs unranked (1982 Gator) #11 vs unranked (1978 Bluebonnet)
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RE: The only real way to save the Bowl System
My fix to the bowl system is to ratchet up the requirements to participate. Require 7 wins instead of 6. This weeds out a bunch of mediocre teams that don't deserve to be there. Scarcity creates demand. If it's harder to make a bowl and there are fewer of them the value of the remaining bowls is increased.

Next, let's get rid of some of the low payout, crappy bowls.

Third, let's make the bowls double, or even triple headers. Think of the type of environment of the early season basketball invitationals. One bowl site can host two or even three games on consecutive days and have tie ins to 4-6 conferences. This opens up a lot of flexibility in creating compelling match ups. Another side effect is that attendance should increase and you could even make it a condition for premium seating that you must buy tickets to both games.
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RE: The only real way to save the Bowl System
Bowl system doesn't need "Saving" If the bowl makes money (whether through sponsors, advertising, ESPN programming, etc). it will continue. If not, if will go bye-bye.

Don't like 6-6 UL-M playing 7-5 MTSU? Don't watch it.
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RE: The only real way to save the Bowl System
(08-31-2018 02:19 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  My fix to the bowl system is to ratchet up the requirements to participate. Require 7 wins instead of 6. This weeds out a bunch of mediocre teams that don't deserve to be there. Scarcity creates demand. If it's harder to make a bowl and there are fewer of them the value of the remaining bowls is increased.

Next, let's get rid of some of the low payout, crappy bowls.

Third, let's make the bowls double, or even triple headers. Think of the type of environment of the early season basketball invitationals. One bowl site can host two or even three games on consecutive days and have tie ins to 4-6 conferences. This opens up a lot of flexibility in creating compelling match ups. Another side effect is that attendance should increase and you could even make it a condition for premium seating that you must buy tickets to both games.

If anything, I think that would depress attendance. Who wants to pay double and have to stay in a hotel an extra day to watch two teams you don't care about play each other?
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RE: The only real way to save the Bowl System
(08-31-2018 02:40 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Bowl system doesn't need "Saving" If the bowl makes money (whether through sponsors, advertising, ESPN programming, etc. it will continue. If not, if will go bye-bye.

Don't like 6-6 UL-M playing 7-5 MTSU? Don't watch it.

Exactly.
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RE: The only real way to save the Bowl System
Bowls are going the way of the dinosaur
The A5 playoffs will only increase and the g5 are already putting some conference champions against other g5 champions in bowls but these games need to be playoff games in home stadiums
Bowls days are numbered
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