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RE: College Football’s Growing Problem: Empty Seats
(09-02-2018 10:46 PM)doss2 Wrote:  
(09-02-2018 04:27 PM)ucbandguy Wrote:  The other part of the empty seat problem is the mystery (TBD) game times.

I get it, TV money drives most everything. But for most games, kickoff times should be rather easy to schedule, at least through mid-season. (November, at least for contenders, I understand.)

I ask you, is there any good reason that the Ohio U, UCONN, and Tulane games don't have a scheduled start time? Do TV execs have some reason to think that holding us in suspense will drive up their ratings?

I mean, Tulane is our Homecoming. Why can't we get that game time set, and if TV wants a different start time - let them "buy" the time change from the University?

This is part of the reason I don't get season tickets anymore. It is difficult to make plans. I don't know if I will be available to do something that Saturday morning or evening.

If I am thinking about traveling to an away game, how should I plan my driving, flights, or hotel rooms? For some games it won't matter much. For others, it will - big time.

I think it may negatively affect TV ratings on some away games also. If I know a game I want to watch is on in the evening, I won't let my wife schedule anything over that (usually). But if I don't know, I can't block out that time slot.
I think it hurts also that for some conferences geography means nothing. ACC has UL, how close to the Atlantic is UL? WVU in B12.


The worst is our AAC. Distance from Tulsa or SMU to UConn or USF.
But, at least for the AAC, we're all located in America.
 
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RE: College Football’s Growing Problem: Empty Seats
Marshall Thundering Herd vs. Miami (OH) RedHawks football game. ... Attendance: 15,827. 2h Associated Press . Green leads Marshall to 35-28 win over Miami (Ohio)


They must use the PITT method. On TV it looked more like 7,500
 
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(09-06-2018 11:25 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Marshall Thundering Herd vs. Miami (OH) RedHawks football game. ... Attendance: 15,827. 2h Associated Press . Green leads Marshall to 35-28 win over Miami (Ohio)


They must use the PITT method. On TV it looked more like 7,500

I didn't see the game but the Miami Stadium only holds 24,000. So I'm guessing the eyeball test made it apparent it was less than half full?

The predicted deluge for Cincinnati tomorrow will really suppress attendance. I'd like to believe the heavy rain happens Sunday but PBS will likely be more like that pastor's greatest round of golf in Caddyshack. Even the forecast of rain impacts attendance here.
 
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RE: College Football’s Growing Problem: Empty Seats
(09-07-2018 06:43 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  
(09-06-2018 11:25 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Marshall Thundering Herd vs. Miami (OH) RedHawks football game. ... Attendance: 15,827. 2h Associated Press . Green leads Marshall to 35-28 win over Miami (Ohio)


They must use the PITT method. On TV it looked more like 7,500

I didn't see the game but the Miami Stadium only holds 24,000. So I'm guessing the eyeball test made it apparent it was less than half full?

The predicted deluge for Cincinnati tomorrow will really suppress attendance. I'd like to believe the heavy rain happens Sunday but PBS will likely be more like that pastor's greatest round of golf in Caddyshack. Even the forecast of rain impacts attendance here.

One of my business partners is a Miami grad and went to the game (it was Homecoming for MU-- yes the first game of the year was Homecoming). He said the stadium was barely half-full-- and that was basically because Marshall brought 1500-2000 fans. They had a little ran as well last weekend in Oxford so the crowd disappeared early.
 
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RE: College Football’s Growing Problem: Empty Seats
(09-07-2018 07:43 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 06:43 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  
(09-06-2018 11:25 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Marshall Thundering Herd vs. Miami (OH) RedHawks football game. ... Attendance: 15,827. 2h Associated Press . Green leads Marshall to 35-28 win over Miami (Ohio)


They must use the PITT method. On TV it looked more like 7,500

I didn't see the game but the Miami Stadium only holds 24,000. So I'm guessing the eyeball test made it apparent it was less than half full?

The predicted deluge for Cincinnati tomorrow will really suppress attendance. I'd like to believe the heavy rain happens Sunday but PBS will likely be more like that pastor's greatest round of golf in Caddyshack. Even the forecast of rain impacts attendance here.

One of my business partners is a Miami grad and went to the game (it was Homecoming for MU-- yes the first game of the year was Homecoming). He said the stadium was barely half-full-- and that was basically because Marshall brought 1500-2000 fans. They had a little ran as well last weekend in Oxford so the crowd disappeared early.

Marshall is a relatively small university but their fans travel very well. I'll bet it was every bit of 2,000 there wearing green. It doesn't bother me, but it's amazing to see how far the MU program has fallen in the past 20 years or so. I'm old enough to remember MU regularly handing it to UC; being ranked in the top 25, and knocking off some football powers in the Tangerine Bowl. The little engine that could.

The Redhawks certainly could win tomorrow night but it really doesn't change the trajectory of their program (that would make it 1-12 vs. UC in the past 13 games). Look no further than a piece in this week's Business Courier that showed how highly UC's Under Armour deal (about $5 million per year on average) ranks nationally compared with Miami's Adidas deal worth a reported $275,000.00 per year. UC is (and should be) winning over the long term.
 
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RE: College Football’s Growing Problem: Empty Seats
(09-07-2018 08:34 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 07:43 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 06:43 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  
(09-06-2018 11:25 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Marshall Thundering Herd vs. Miami (OH) RedHawks football game. ... Attendance: 15,827. 2h Associated Press . Green leads Marshall to 35-28 win over Miami (Ohio)


They must use the PITT method. On TV it looked more like 7,500

I didn't see the game but the Miami Stadium only holds 24,000. So I'm guessing the eyeball test made it apparent it was less than half full?

The predicted deluge for Cincinnati tomorrow will really suppress attendance. I'd like to believe the heavy rain happens Sunday but PBS will likely be more like that pastor's greatest round of golf in Caddyshack. Even the forecast of rain impacts attendance here.

One of my business partners is a Miami grad and went to the game (it was Homecoming for MU-- yes the first game of the year was Homecoming). He said the stadium was barely half-full-- and that was basically because Marshall brought 1500-2000 fans. They had a little ran as well last weekend in Oxford so the crowd disappeared early.

Marshall is a relatively small university but their fans travel very well. I'll bet it was every bit of 2,000 there wearing green. It doesn't bother me, but it's amazing to see how far the MU program has fallen in the past 20 years or so. I'm old enough to remember MU regularly handing it to UC; being ranked in the top 25, and knocking off some football powers in the Tangerine Bowl. The little engine that could.

The Redhawks certainly could win tomorrow night but it really doesn't change the trajectory of their program (that would make it 1-12 vs. UC in the past 13 games). Look no further than a piece in this week's Business Courier that showed how highly UC's Under Armour deal (about $5 million per year on average) ranks nationally compared with Miami's Adidas deal worth a reported $275,000.00 per year. UC is (and should be) winning over the long term.

I posted the tally by decade on my twitter page the other day, but I found it interesting to see how the balance of power in the UC-Miami series shifted after the 1970s. UC is 25-12-1 from 1980 to the present, which is quite remarkable considering how bad we were in the 80s and half of the 90s.

While our university's investment in athletics has shot up in the past 20 years, Miami's has declined. Outside of hockey, their students and alumni have little interest in their athletics. They can't even get 1,000 people to show up for a basketball games. The only college football teams most of their students/alums are interested is Ohio State or Notre Dame (all those Illinois residents).

Victory Bell Results by Decade

1880s- 0-1-1
1890s 4-5
1900s 3-1-1
1910s 1-6-2
1920s 3-6-1
1930s 5-4-1
1940s 5-3
1950s 5-5
1960s 2-8
1970s 2-8
1980s 6-4
1990s 5-4-1
2000s 6-4
2010s 8-0
 
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(09-07-2018 08:47 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 08:34 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 07:43 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 06:43 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  
(09-06-2018 11:25 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Marshall Thundering Herd vs. Miami (OH) RedHawks football game. ... Attendance: 15,827. 2h Associated Press . Green leads Marshall to 35-28 win over Miami (Ohio)


They must use the PITT method. On TV it looked more like 7,500

I didn't see the game but the Miami Stadium only holds 24,000. So I'm guessing the eyeball test made it apparent it was less than half full?

The predicted deluge for Cincinnati tomorrow will really suppress attendance. I'd like to believe the heavy rain happens Sunday but PBS will likely be more like that pastor's greatest round of golf in Caddyshack. Even the forecast of rain impacts attendance here.

One of my business partners is a Miami grad and went to the game (it was Homecoming for MU-- yes the first game of the year was Homecoming). He said the stadium was barely half-full-- and that was basically because Marshall brought 1500-2000 fans. They had a little ran as well last weekend in Oxford so the crowd disappeared early.

Marshall is a relatively small university but their fans travel very well. I'll bet it was every bit of 2,000 there wearing green. It doesn't bother me, but it's amazing to see how far the MU program has fallen in the past 20 years or so. I'm old enough to remember MU regularly handing it to UC; being ranked in the top 25, and knocking off some football powers in the Tangerine Bowl. The little engine that could.

The Redhawks certainly could win tomorrow night but it really doesn't change the trajectory of their program (that would make it 1-12 vs. UC in the past 13 games). Look no further than a piece in this week's Business Courier that showed how highly UC's Under Armour deal (about $5 million per year on average) ranks nationally compared with Miami's Adidas deal worth a reported $275,000.00 per year. UC is (and should be) winning over the long term.

I posted the tally by decade on my twitter page the other day, but I found it interesting to see how the balance of power in the UC-Miami series shifted after the 1970s. UC is 25-12-1 from 1980 to the present, which is quite remarkable considering how bad we were in the 80s and half of the 90s.

While our university's investment in athletics has shot up in the past 20 years, Miami's has declined. Outside of hockey, their students and alumni have little interest in their athletics. They can't even get 1,000 people to show up for a basketball games. The only college football teams most of their students/alums are interested is Ohio State or Notre Dame (all those Illinois residents).

Victory Bell Results by Decade

1880s- 0-1-1
1890s 4-5
1900s 3-1-1
1910s 1-6-2
1920s 3-6-1
1930s 5-4-1
1940s 5-3
1950s 5-5
1960s 2-8
1970s 2-8
1980s 6-4
1990s 5-4-1
2000s 6-4
2010s 8-0

Just Win!!! Keep the streak alive and surpass them in the series.
 
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(08-30-2018 09:35 PM)dsquare Wrote:  The entire conference realignment and tv revenue fiasco is not helping matters. They're hurting rivalries and alienating fans. It's not good for the game whether it's fball or bball.

I agree completely. Conference Realignment is a definite factor in declining interest. It's definitely had a hand in destroying regional rivalries and all but destroyed the programs that have been left out of the ESPN created P5. I follow the SEC closely and none of the fan bases seem to like the addition of Missouri to the conference. Just a bad cultural fit and so many additions have hurt several long-time cross divisional rivalries that developed over the years (Tennesee-Auburn, Georgia - LSU, etc..). Those teams play each other maybe once every 5 years now. I'm sure it is the same way for many other conferences as well.
 
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(09-07-2018 02:00 PM)Marcus Wrote:  
(08-30-2018 09:35 PM)dsquare Wrote:  The entire conference realignment and tv revenue fiasco is not helping matters. They're hurting rivalries and alienating fans. It's not good for the game whether it's fball or bball.

I agree completely. Conference Realignment is a definite factor in declining interest. It's definitely had a hand in destroying regional rivalries and all but destroyed the programs that have been left out of the ESPN created P5. I follow the SEC closely and none of the fan bases seem to like the addition of Missouri to the conference. Just a bad cultural fit and so many additions have hurt several long-time cross divisional rivalries that developed over the years (Tennesee-Auburn, Georgia - LSU, etc..). Those teams play each other maybe once every 5 years now. I'm sure it is the same way for many other conferences as well.

So true. Even our "newer" rivalries in the old Big East were winners. Pitt, WVU (and old foe Louisville) often came to town when ranked with loads of fans to fill Nippert. Then UC fans started selling out those games and we hit the road too, in record numbers.

The AAC has made great strides but, short of gaining entry to the ACC, we'll never have multiple schools again within six hour drives that make home and road games special. With respect to rivalries, B10 and ACC fans don't know how fortunate they are.
 
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(09-07-2018 02:37 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 02:00 PM)Marcus Wrote:  
(08-30-2018 09:35 PM)dsquare Wrote:  The entire conference realignment and tv revenue fiasco is not helping matters. They're hurting rivalries and alienating fans. It's not good for the game whether it's fball or bball.

I agree completely. Conference Realignment is a definite factor in declining interest. It's definitely had a hand in destroying regional rivalries and all but destroyed the programs that have been left out of the ESPN created P5. I follow the SEC closely and none of the fan bases seem to like the addition of Missouri to the conference. Just a bad cultural fit and so many additions have hurt several long-time cross divisional rivalries that developed over the years (Tennesee-Auburn, Georgia - LSU, etc..). Those teams play each other maybe once every 5 years now. I'm sure it is the same way for many other conferences as well.

So true. Even our "newer" rivalries in the old Big East were winners. Pitt, WVU (and old foe Louisville) often came to town when ranked with loads of fans to fill Nippert. Then UC fans started selling out those games and we hit the road too, in record numbers.

The AAC has made great strides but, short of gaining entry to the ACC, we'll never have multiple schools again within six hour drives that make home and road games special. With respect to rivalries, B10 and ACC fans don't know how fortunate they are.

Yup I always went to Loserville, Pitts and West Virginia games. Sometimes Sadexcuse.

I have not went to a single AAC game.
 
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Had a whole 16 k supposedly there tonight at PBS. Yeah, sure
 
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