(09-25-2018 01:21 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 01:01 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  People are not taking into account what the stadiums hold. Alamodome holds 72k. Where the next closest is probably 51 at the Sun Bowl. Other stadiums hold like 12k or 20k. So 60% of that is not impressive . 69% of 30k is also not impressive .

What does that have to do with actual butts in seats compared to what a school fudged numbers show? That's what these numbers are about...not the % filled

UTSA doesn't fudge numbers. We are very realistic. I can show you pics of our stadium. I'm not making excuses, I got to the game at Halftime and walked right in.

(09-25-2018 01:22 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  UTSA sucks but somehow we get 43k & 30k & this weekend against UTEP we will get 35k. When we play UNT we will see 35-40k. So it's a good sign if your team is bad and fans show up, just imagine if we were 3-0. And one year we will be

Are those real fans sitting in the seats or 27950 (65%)? Also how many of those 43k were Baylor fans? I assume Txst had a few thousand fans also....30 minute drive.

Another good thing for UTSA we are moving like 15-20k students downtown and making a huge presence in DT SA which will contribute to our attendance. Other conferences want high attendace, investments in the program and school, fans, and growth. As a conferencevwe all need to move that direction

(09-25-2018 01:25 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 01:21 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 01:01 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  People are not taking into account what the stadiums hold. Alamodome holds 72k. Where the next closest is probably 51 at the Sun Bowl. Other stadiums hold like 12k or 20k. So 60% of that is not impressive . 69% of 30k is also not impressive .

What does that have to do with actual butts in seats compared to what a school fudged numbers show? That's what these numbers are about...not the % filled

UTSA doesn't fudge numbers. We are very realistic. I can show you pics of our stadium. I'm not making excuses, I got to the game at Halftime and walked right in.

OK if you say so but the article says other wise. So do we take the word of a fan guessing or an article that used a open record request and got the numbers from UTSA?

As for going in at halftime, UTSA isn't the only school that doesn't scan or count people coming in at halftime. Most schools are like this

(09-25-2018 01:27 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 01:22 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  UTSA sucks but somehow we get 43k & 30k & this weekend against UTEP we will get 35k. When we play UNT we will see 35-40k. So it's a good sign if your team is bad and fans show up, just imagine if we were 3-0. And one year we will be

Are those real fans sitting in the seats or 27950 (65%)? Also how many of those 43k were Baylor fans? I assume Txst had a few thousand fans also....30 minute drive.

There were about 80/20 for Baylor game. UTSA 80%. For the Texas st game it was the same. But we don't discriminate who buys tickets, if we offer a good experience and people enjoy our city, the more the better.

(09-25-2018 01:29 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 01:25 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 01:21 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 01:01 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  People are not taking into account what the stadiums hold. Alamodome holds 72k. Where the next closest is probably 51 at the Sun Bowl. Other stadiums hold like 12k or 20k. So 60% of that is not impressive . 69% of 30k is also not impressive .

What does that have to do with actual butts in seats compared to what a school fudged numbers show? That's what these numbers are about...not the % filled

UTSA doesn't fudge numbers. We are very realistic. I can show you pics of our stadium. I'm not making excuses, I got to the game at Halftime and walked right in.

OK if you say so but the article says other wise. So do we take the word of a fan guessing or an article that used a open record request and got the numbers from UTSA?

More or so do you take the word of a reporter trying to make a story. The Baylor coach even said the crowd was loud and big. That's on video

(09-25-2018 01:32 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 01:29 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 01:25 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 01:21 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 01:01 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  People are not taking into account what the stadiums hold. Alamodome holds 72k. Where the next closest is probably 51 at the Sun Bowl. Other stadiums hold like 12k or 20k. So 60% of that is not impressive . 69% of 30k is also not impressive .

What does that have to do with actual butts in seats compared to what a school fudged numbers show? That's what these numbers are about...not the % filled

UTSA doesn't fudge numbers. We are very realistic. I can show you pics of our stadium. I'm not making excuses, I got to the game at Halftime and walked right in.

OK if you say so but the article says other wise. So do we take the word of a fan guessing or an article that used a open record request and got the numbers from UTSA?

More or so do you take the word of a reporter trying to make a story. The Baylor coach even said the crowd was loud and big. That's on video

I'm going to take the article over a fan that gets there at halftime. I assume this reporter has no reason to lie about the numbers he received from UTSA. Can you think of any reason why he would?

I dont have a clue if 43000 fans showed up or not but saying UTSA does not fudge numbers is just false and proven false by the article.

(09-25-2018 01:04 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 12:56 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 12:54 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  

(08-30-2018 10:18 AM)Cerebus Wrote:  

Rice, and the F_Us did not respond to the request. UAB has an asterisk because they admit the count is inaccurate "due to operator, system or equipment error".

I've always said NT has pretty great attendance considering how awful we've been for the last decade. Hopefully we can continue winning and really increase numbers.

The problem there is your stadium holds 30k. So if you get 20k it looks good. Or 18k. It's a little deceiving .

Just curious, why do you think that is a problem?

Because Dallas is a city of 7 million with 3 FBS teams.

North Texas isn't in Dallas, it is in Denton, a city of 133k. We raised funds and built a stadium that meets our needs right now and is expandable if we ever need to do that. That shouldn't be held against us.

UTSA could always try to get it's students to pass a fee and build their own stadium if they think the AlamoDome is too big.

Go for it, I can put an article together too. Gathering random info. lol you're one of those that believes everything you read. I could care less what you believe the article or a person at the game.

(09-25-2018 01:46 PM)Cerebus Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 01:04 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 12:56 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 12:54 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  

(08-30-2018 10:18 AM)Cerebus Wrote:  

Rice, and the F_Us did not respond to the request. UAB has an asterisk because they admit the count is inaccurate "due to operator, system or equipment error".

I've always said NT has pretty great attendance considering how awful we've been for the last decade. Hopefully we can continue winning and really increase numbers.

The problem there is your stadium holds 30k. So if you get 20k it looks good. Or 18k. It's a little deceiving .

Just curious, why do you think that is a problem?

Because Dallas is a city of 7 million with 3 FBS teams.

North Texas isn't in Dallas, it is in Denton, a city of 133k. We raised funds and built a stadium that meets our needs right now and is expandable if we ever need to do that. That shouldn't be held against us.

UTSA could always try to get it's students to pass a fee and build their own stadium if they think the AlamoDome is too big.

Denton is close enough to Dallas. Just like San Antonio considerers Helotes and Boerne SA. They are 30-45 minutes from the dome. We are 8 years old , your what 105 years old? I'm sure we will surpass you eventually.

All I'm saying is it would suck to turn fans away from a game, if we had a stadium of 20-30k and we get 28-43k That's a bad look and we are just starting. Most of y'all have had programs forever .

The Alamodome won't be too big eventually, once we getva good program continue to invest in our school we will be fine.

(09-25-2018 01:48 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  Go for it, I can put an article together too. Gathering random info. lol you're one of those that believes everything you read. I could care less what you believe the article or a person at the game.

No I dont believe everything I read but I tend to believe stated FACTS from a open record request over a fans view of the stadium. Especially when the person who wrote the article has ZERO reason to misstate the figure or just make up numbers on UTSA. And on the other hand it's the OPINION of a fan who doesn't even show up to a game till halftime....

I'm sure UTSA is no different than most other schools...loses thousands of fans between the end of the first half and the start of the second. Yet...you see 35% more fans than the school scanned

(09-25-2018 01:56 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 01:48 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  Go for it, I can put an article together too. Gathering random info. lol you're one of those that believes everything you read. I could care less what you believe the article or a person at the game.

No I dont believe everything I read but I tend to believe stated FACTS from a open record request over a fans view of the stadium. Especially when the person who wrote the article has ZERO reason to misstate the figure or just make up numbers on UTSA. And on the other hand it's the OPINION of a fan who doesn't even show up to a game till halftime....

I'm sure UTSA is no different than most other schools...loses thousands of fans between the end of the first half and the start of the second. Yet...you see 35% more fans than the school scanned

He has every reason in the world to write an article that is cotraversial , that's their job. Geez, cmon man. The art of writing an article is to piss people off or get them talking . He has every reason in the world. Statistics can be moved to look in favor of thevway you want it, I can twist stats, I can twist articles, it's easy.

You're rolling with the argument that since you don't believe what the article is saying, you shouldn't believe what any article says?

(09-25-2018 02:05 PM)odu09 Wrote:  You're rolling with the argument that since you don't believe what the article is saying, you shouldn't believe what any article says?

No I do my due diligence . I don't believe **** I read these days, with bloggers, you tube, 24 news cycles, etc. I come from a family of lawyers, so that's probably where it comes from.

Lizard... you're getting way too defensive. No one is chastising UTSA for the big discrepancy. All the article says is that you guys sell tickets, but have trouble getting the ticket purchaser to actually come to the game. We are all guilty, to some degree.

(09-25-2018 02:18 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  Lizard... you're getting way too defensive. No one is chastising UTSA for the big discrepancy. All the article says is that you guys sell tickets, but have trouble getting the ticket purchaser to actually come to the game. We are all guilty, to some degree.

Trust me, I'm not defensive at all. I understand the article. All I'm saying is let's work more to getting those numbers better, promotions, more fan support, etc, etc. It just looks bad when we have good teams getting 13k to a game. If we ever want to get a TV deal we need nuts in seats, that gets atttention of sponsors & netorks.

I don't buy the numbers in the article either. All they did was request the figures from the schools of scanned tickets. The schools that apparently use those figures for NCAA reporting are very close. What incentive does any other school have to ensure a proper count? Other than internal purposes? You have a scanner malfunction or someone not trained properly then those numbers aren't accurate. For every game there will be tickets that go unused. But a lot f these numbers don't pass the eyeball test.

(09-25-2018 03:05 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  I don't buy the numbers in the article either. All they did was request the figures from the schools of scanned tickets. The schools that apparently use those figures for NCAA reporting are very close. What incentive does any other school have to ensure a proper count? Other than internal purposes? You have a scanner malfunction or someone not trained properly then those numbers aren't accurate. For every game there will be tickets that go unused. But a lot f these numbers don't pass the eyeball test.

The eyeball test can be misleading especially when it comes to "the spread". No not the offense but the butt cheeks taking up 1.5 to 2 spots.

As for the scanners and problems with them, if there's problems....it's probably not just happening at one or two schools but all. But not in large enough numbers to make as much difference as the article shows.

Students at Western go through a turn style so are they counted as scanned? I dont know. But I do know that any picture of a crowd shot that can be blown up....

you can see gaps and spread that you dont see with just looking while at the game