(08-30-2018 11:45 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(08-30-2018 11:12 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  In before all the Middle fans come over here to dispute Western numbers.

Oh. They won’t. LOMFL.

Guns been trying to tell all you fools this for years. All he was met with was derision by the oh so intelligent Middle crew and many, many others dogging us out for our weak attendance.

I haven’t looked at the actual article but going by the snapshot we may not be an attendance powerhouse but at least we don’t lie about it.

If by 'lie' you mean report tickets distributed instead of 'butts in seats', then yes, you lie like everyone else.

I think he means in the definition of attendance which is not tickets sold

(08-30-2018 11:12 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  In before all the Middle fans come over here to dispute Western numbers.

Oh. They won’t. LOMFL.

Guns been trying to tell all you fools this for years. All he was met with was derision by the oh so intelligent Middle crew and many, many others dogging us out for our weak attendance.

I haven’t looked at the actual article but going by the snapshot we may not be an attendance powerhouse but at least we don’t lie about it.

I'm not sure about the 'lie' comment. The announced attendance in the snapshot is ticket sales. WKU reports ticket sales, just so happens WKU fans who purchase tickets do a better job of actually going to the game.

So, I don't see where WKU necessarily reports any different than other schools. If WKU was reporting scanned tickets as announced attendance, then there wouldn't be a discrepancy. But there is.

(08-30-2018 12:08 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(08-30-2018 11:12 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  In before all the Middle fans come over here to dispute Western numbers.

Oh. They won’t. LOMFL.

Guns been trying to tell all you fools this for years. All he was met with was derision by the oh so intelligent Middle crew and many, many others dogging us out for our weak attendance.

I haven’t looked at the actual article but going by the snapshot we may not be an attendance powerhouse but at least we don’t lie about it.

I'm not sure about the 'lie' comment. The announced attendance in the snapshot is ticket sales. WKU reports ticket sales, just so happens WKU fans who purchase tickets do a better job of actually going to the game.

So, I don't see where WKU necessarily reports any different than other schools. If WKU was reporting scanned tickets as announced attendance, then there wouldn't be a discrepancy. But there is.

The part you are missing is the definition of the word attendance....

as far as the other part is about like I said 100 times on this board. Western is not having the "Dollar night" or blocks of corporate tickets sold for way under the value of a walk up ticket.

Where schools with larger stadiums that will go 2/3 or half empty if they did not discount huge blocks of ticket.

But when fans get on this board and brag about how their attendance shows they have more support than others.....


well now will be pointed out with actual facts. What you really have is a bunch of deeply discounted tickets that cant even be given away

(08-30-2018 12:15 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  The part you are missing is the definition of the word attendance....

as far as the other part is about like I said 100 times on this board. Western is not having the "Dollar night" or blocks of corporate tickets sold for way under the value of a walk up ticket.

Where schools with larger stadiums that will go 2/3 or half empty if they did not discount huge blocks of ticket.

But when fans get on this board and brag about how their attendance shows they have more support than others.....

well now will be pointed out with actual facts

I'm just an innocent bystander, I think, because I personally have not criticized other fans for attendance. I am under the impression that if you post on these boards, you are probably going to the games. The rest is out of our hands.

However, I just want to point out one thing - probably a reason why your comments are being met with vitriol is due to the comment that I've bolded. If you just stuck to facts, and didn't hand out statements of conjecture, I think you would be taken more seriously.

Hope this isn't taken in offense, it's not meant to be.

(08-30-2018 12:15 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-30-2018 12:08 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(08-30-2018 11:12 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  In before all the Middle fans come over here to dispute Western numbers.

Oh. They won’t. LOMFL.

Guns been trying to tell all you fools this for years. All he was met with was derision by the oh so intelligent Middle crew and many, many others dogging us out for our weak attendance.

I haven’t looked at the actual article but going by the snapshot we may not be an attendance powerhouse but at least we don’t lie about it.

I'm not sure about the 'lie' comment. The announced attendance in the snapshot is ticket sales. WKU reports ticket sales, just so happens WKU fans who purchase tickets do a better job of actually going to the game.

So, I don't see where WKU necessarily reports any different than other schools. If WKU was reporting scanned tickets as announced attendance, then there wouldn't be a discrepancy. But there is.

The part you are missing is the definition of the word attendance....

as far as the other part is about like I said 100 times on this board. Western is not having the "Dollar night" or blocks of corporate tickets sold for way under the value of a walk up ticket.

Where schools with larger stadiums that will go 2/3 or half empty if they did not discount huge blocks of ticket.

But when fans get on this board and brag about how their attendance shows they have more support than others.....


well now will be pointed out with actual facts

Right, but I don't think this thread is talking about ticket revenue or bragging about attendance #. I think the point someone brought up was mostly about the attendance # reporting methodology and then the delta between those who purchase tickets that show up for the game.

The data in the table doesn't indicate WKU reports any different than anyone else. Otherwise, the announced attendance would equal the scanned tickets. The fact that WKU is at 95% is very impressive.

And yes, there are gimmicks to increase ticket sales when it is very unlikely those tickets will end up in a fans hand who is walking through the gate. And yes, USM has been guilty of that.

(08-30-2018 12:21 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(08-30-2018 12:15 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  The part you are missing is the definition of the word attendance....

as far as the other part is about like I said 100 times on this board. Western is not having the "Dollar night" or blocks of corporate tickets sold for way under the value of a walk up ticket.

Where schools with larger stadiums that will go 2/3 or half empty if they did not discount huge blocks of ticket.

But when fans get on this board and brag about how their attendance shows they have more support than others.....

well now will be pointed out with actual facts

I'm just an innocent bystander, I think, because I personally have not criticized other fans for attendance. I am under the impression that if you post on these boards, you are probably going to the games. The rest is out of our hands.

However, I just want to point out one thing - probably a reason why your comments are being met with vitriol is due to the comment that I've bolded. If you just stuck to facts, and didn't hand out statements of conjecture, I think you would be taken more seriously.

Hope this isn't taken in offense, it's not meant to be.

What part of that statement is not facts? Look at the chart..it backs the statement up. When you are at 50 to 65% of butts in the stands of tickets sold. Those with stadiums with 35+k are 2/3 to half empty.

Then you look at dollars made off those sold tickets and there's only one conclusion....

a ton of deeply discounted tickets being sold

(08-30-2018 12:25 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(08-30-2018 12:15 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-30-2018 12:08 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(08-30-2018 11:12 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  In before all the Middle fans come over here to dispute Western numbers.

Oh. They won’t. LOMFL.

Guns been trying to tell all you fools this for years. All he was met with was derision by the oh so intelligent Middle crew and many, many others dogging us out for our weak attendance.

I haven’t looked at the actual article but going by the snapshot we may not be an attendance powerhouse but at least we don’t lie about it.

I'm not sure about the 'lie' comment. The announced attendance in the snapshot is ticket sales. WKU reports ticket sales, just so happens WKU fans who purchase tickets do a better job of actually going to the game.

So, I don't see where WKU necessarily reports any different than other schools. If WKU was reporting scanned tickets as announced attendance, then there wouldn't be a discrepancy. But there is.

The part you are missing is the definition of the word attendance....

as far as the other part is about like I said 100 times on this board. Western is not having the "Dollar night" or blocks of corporate tickets sold for way under the value of a walk up ticket.

Where schools with larger stadiums that will go 2/3 or half empty if they did not discount huge blocks of ticket.

But when fans get on this board and brag about how their attendance shows they have more support than others.....


well now will be pointed out with actual facts

Right, but I don't think this thread is talking about ticket revenue or bragging about attendance #. I think the point someone brought up was mostly about the attendance # reporting methodology and then the delta between those who purchase tickets that show up for the game.

The data in the table doesn't indicate WKU reports any different than anyone else. Otherwise, the announced attendance would equal the scanned tickets. The fact that WKU is at 95% is very impressive.

And yes, there are gimmicks to increase ticket sales when it is very unlikely those tickets will end up in a fans hand who is walking through the gate. And yes, USM has been guilty of that.

Here's something you are not looking at......

Western counts butts, unlike most other schools in CUSA? Why do I come to that conclusion?

Western had 3 soldout basketball games with the announced attendance under the 7,400 that Diddle holds....

at least one of those games 1200+ under

So its not hard to see that carrying over to football.

Did the article mention anything about student attendance and if that is include with the actual butts?

To be honest all of these numbers look a little off. Well all but Middle and they just can't count. If it's not counting students then that could put the actual butts a lot closer announced attendance.

Well I guess we do lie. But only 4.9%.

Guns has been saying that for years on here only to be hammered by the Middle intelligentsia. In their egg heads, because Guns says we count actual numbers it can’t be true. Because they hate him saying something about Western they don’t like.

I’ve never been one to get into attendance smack. I know what Western and Bowling Green are. I seriously doubted we’d ever make attendance when we made the move up. I knew Western fans. But I was proven wrong. We didn’t become a powerhouse but we always did well enough.

I expect our attendance to plummet this year due to style of play and pitiful performance of play. My son and I picked up 3 seats around us to add on to our 4 already. These are old side upper deck on the 50 freakin’ yard line seats. A WONDERFUL view of the game for a very reasonable price. Not giveaways. Not 1 dolla seats by any means. But 3 people around us did not renew this year. All due to Boy Wonder and his incompetent staff.

But going by this WSJ article, we’ll report it 95.1% correctly. Well, I say we will but with the propaganda our AD has been spewing about our football program it wouldn’t surprise me if he inflates attendance big time this year to hide what he’s done.

(08-30-2018 12:36 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-30-2018 12:21 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(08-30-2018 12:15 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  The part you are missing is the definition of the word attendance....

as far as the other part is about like I said 100 times on this board. Western is not having the "Dollar night" or blocks of corporate tickets sold for way under the value of a walk up ticket.

Where schools with larger stadiums that will go 2/3 or half empty if they did not discount huge blocks of ticket.

But when fans get on this board and brag about how their attendance shows they have more support than others.....

well now will be pointed out with actual facts

I'm just an innocent bystander, I think, because I personally have not criticized other fans for attendance. I am under the impression that if you post on these boards, you are probably going to the games. The rest is out of our hands.

However, I just want to point out one thing - probably a reason why your comments are being met with vitriol is due to the comment that I've bolded. If you just stuck to facts, and didn't hand out statements of conjecture, I think you would be taken more seriously.

Hope this isn't taken in offense, it's not meant to be.

What part of that statement is not facts? Look at the chart..it backs the statement up. When you are at 50 to 65% of butts in the stands of tickets sold. Those with stadiums with 35+k are 2/3 to half empty.

Then you look at dollars made off those sold tickets and there's only one conclusion....

a ton of deeply discounted tickets being sold

I just don't think you can reasonably assume how many people would be there if the tickets weren't discounted. I don't disagree with anything else

(08-30-2018 10:59 AM)CyrusJS Wrote:  Wow. I don’t think anyone in CUSA can smack talk WKU about attendance ever again. WKU had the third highest actual attendance in conference. Higher than those who barked the loudest, too, like Marshall, ODU, LaTech, UTSA, etc

Can we all just LOL at MTSU and their almost 50% real attendance rate?? Wow that is embarrassing.


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I can offer a one dollar tickets and let the crowd from the street flow into the stadium and not do that and sell them for a premium and generate money. Lets pull the figures from Money generated from tickets and see who has the biggest dick because obviously that's what we are doing. The reported number for ODU are tickets sold not the ones that are scanned and you guys seem to not do that and report what ever scanned in the end everybody has their own reporting methods just like how schools do budgeting. You guys have a half empty stadium for a championship game and that just sucks so accept WKU sucks and move on already.

(08-30-2018 10:18 AM)Cerebus Wrote:  

Rice, and the F_Us did not respond to the request. UAB has an asterisk because they admit the count is inaccurate "due to operator, system or equipment error".

I've always said NT has pretty great attendance considering how awful we've been for the last decade. Hopefully we can continue winning and really increase numbers.

Can you spare the extra keystrokes to type FAU, FIU? Do you get charged for your internet by the letter?

(08-30-2018 02:07 PM)voss749 Wrote:  Can you spare the extra keystrokes to type FAU, FIU? Do you get charged for your internet by the letter?

Schools didn't both to report the numbers, I didn't both to type out the full name. Rice gets a pass for being the Harvard of the South.

WKU fans told you guys we were not lying about "actual attendance"......I will say though if you could actual butts in seats after halftime, our numbers decrease by at least 5k.....

One more thing:



P6. LOL.

(08-30-2018 12:40 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-30-2018 12:25 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(08-30-2018 12:15 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-30-2018 12:08 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(08-30-2018 11:12 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  In before all the Middle fans come over here to dispute Western numbers.

Oh. They won’t. LOMFL.

Guns been trying to tell all you fools this for years. All he was met with was derision by the oh so intelligent Middle crew and many, many others dogging us out for our weak attendance.

I haven’t looked at the actual article but going by the snapshot we may not be an attendance powerhouse but at least we don’t lie about it.

I'm not sure about the 'lie' comment. The announced attendance in the snapshot is ticket sales. WKU reports ticket sales, just so happens WKU fans who purchase tickets do a better job of actually going to the game.

So, I don't see where WKU necessarily reports any different than other schools. If WKU was reporting scanned tickets as announced attendance, then there wouldn't be a discrepancy. But there is.

The part you are missing is the definition of the word attendance....

as far as the other part is about like I said 100 times on this board. Western is not having the "Dollar night" or blocks of corporate tickets sold for way under the value of a walk up ticket.

Where schools with larger stadiums that will go 2/3 or half empty if they did not discount huge blocks of ticket.

But when fans get on this board and brag about how their attendance shows they have more support than others.....


well now will be pointed out with actual facts

Right, but I don't think this thread is talking about ticket revenue or bragging about attendance #. I think the point someone brought up was mostly about the attendance # reporting methodology and then the delta between those who purchase tickets that show up for the game.

The data in the table doesn't indicate WKU reports any different than anyone else. Otherwise, the announced attendance would equal the scanned tickets. The fact that WKU is at 95% is very impressive.

And yes, there are gimmicks to increase ticket sales when it is very unlikely those tickets will end up in a fans hand who is walking through the gate. And yes, USM has been guilty of that.

Here's something you are not looking at......

Western counts butts, unlike most other schools in CUSA? Why do I come to that conclusion?

Western had 3 soldout basketball games with the announced attendance under the 7,400 that Diddle holds....

at least one of those games 1200+ under

So its not hard to see that carrying over to football.

Okay, but I would think a butt = scanned ticket. Do your students get tickets and scanned at gate? Maybe that is the 5% discrepancy.

When you argue that WKU doesn't give tickets away like a lot of other schools to inflate their attendance #s, that's not an argument that butts in seats are counted. That argument just means the total attendance # isn't going to be inflated.

Also, the comment about other teams filling 2/3 of a large stadium... WKU's average capacity fill last season was 71% for a small stadium. 57% for MTSU game.

(08-30-2018 05:21 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(08-30-2018 12:40 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-30-2018 12:25 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(08-30-2018 12:15 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-30-2018 12:08 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  I'm not sure about the 'lie' comment. The announced attendance in the snapshot is ticket sales. WKU reports ticket sales, just so happens WKU fans who purchase tickets do a better job of actually going to the game.

So, I don't see where WKU necessarily reports any different than other schools. If WKU was reporting scanned tickets as announced attendance, then there wouldn't be a discrepancy. But there is.

The part you are missing is the definition of the word attendance....

as far as the other part is about like I said 100 times on this board. Western is not having the "Dollar night" or blocks of corporate tickets sold for way under the value of a walk up ticket.

Where schools with larger stadiums that will go 2/3 or half empty if they did not discount huge blocks of ticket.

But when fans get on this board and brag about how their attendance shows they have more support than others.....


well now will be pointed out with actual facts

Right, but I don't think this thread is talking about ticket revenue or bragging about attendance #. I think the point someone brought up was mostly about the attendance # reporting methodology and then the delta between those who purchase tickets that show up for the game.

The data in the table doesn't indicate WKU reports any different than anyone else. Otherwise, the announced attendance would equal the scanned tickets. The fact that WKU is at 95% is very impressive.

And yes, there are gimmicks to increase ticket sales when it is very unlikely those tickets will end up in a fans hand who is walking through the gate. And yes, USM has been guilty of that.

Here's something you are not looking at......

Western counts butts, unlike most other schools in CUSA? Why do I come to that conclusion?

Western had 3 soldout basketball games with the announced attendance under the 7,400 that Diddle holds....

at least one of those games 1200+ under

So its not hard to see that carrying over to football.

Okay, but I would think a butt = scanned ticket. Do your students get tickets and scanned at gate? Maybe that is the 5% discrepancy.

When you argue that WKU doesn't give tickets away like a lot of other schools to inflate their attendance #s, that's not an argument that butts in seats are counted. That argument just means the total attendance # isn't going to be inflated.

Also, the comment about other teams filling 2/3 of a large stadium... WKU's average capacity fill last season was 71% for a small stadium. 57% for MTSU game.

Students do not get scanned, they a lot a certain number that automatically gets added into attendance, but our student section is always bigger than that number. I think we only allot 5k for the students and there is usually 7-10k students show up ... pretty amazing to be honest. It’s crazy that we have struggled to get them to basketball games, but ever since we introduced a winter semester it really hurt the students attending for some reason. This past season was much better, Stansbury has really pushed the students to get back at the games and they showed up loud

I guarantee that announced attendance does not equal tickets sold. My guess it is someone's estimation to make attendance appear much higher than it is. Sure there are some that buy tickets and don't attend, but in most instances it is a small number.

(08-30-2018 02:36 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  WKU fans told you guys we were not lying about "actual attendance"......I will say though if you could actual butts in seats after halftime, our numbers decrease by at least 5k.....

No, you guys told us you underreport.

More than once.

(08-30-2018 10:47 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-30-2018 10:45 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-30-2018 10:15 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(08-30-2018 10:12 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  In before Western is here to assure us that, if anything, they under report their FB attendance...

WKU is definitely one of the better ones in the chart.

Western Kentucky 94,234 89,635 95.1% 6

Well this report is obviously erroneous, Western fans will gladly explain how they underreport, just wait.

You need to worry more about Middle and their 8,427 average for football games. Personally I still think that is counting a few fans 2 or 3 times.

Just in case you cant read the chart.....

Middle 54% so that means Middle is 2nd worse at actual "counting" and reporting what they counted. LOL

So not only does WKU underreport, MT somehow double or triple counts even these audited numbers?

Got it.

I've never denied that we have a major problem with apathy right now and have for a few years now, I just think it's funny that you of all people, king of "look at games X, Y, Z and tell me Western don't underreport", can't admit you were wrong.

I'm not one to talk attendance smack, I've just always been amused by the idea that some Western fans genuinely believed they were underreporting while everyone else was fudging their numbers.