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RE: Atlantic Sun Commish wants it to be innovative and stand out among confereces
(08-27-2018 02:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
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(08-27-2018 12:00 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(08-27-2018 11:51 AM)lion1983 Wrote:  
(08-27-2018 10:34 AM)NoDak Wrote:  This kind of post proves this board isn’t open to true realignment talk.

The was a serious post about how major FCS schools can move to FBS as a group (using the WAC exemption), but it is almost universally derailed as baseless. All those FCS schools want FBS but on their academic terms.
Okay, say the ASun and the WAC make some kind of a deal, at the moment, NMSU is the only WAC FBS program, Liberty the only ASun FBS program. Say UNA, KSU, North Florida, and FGCU all decided to move to FBS. That's 6 schools that are in a football only conference. I dont know what the rules are, but dont seem likely that the NCAA will allow such a collaboration when the namesake league only has 1 of their own in the league. Even if you could pull in UTRGV and Army, UMass and JMU, I dont think the NCAA letting it happen.

Maybe, a group of these schools from the ASun, A10 and JMU and Army could buy out the WAC from the FBS rights, but I dont know the rules on that either. And I put Army in there just because of name recognition, that probably wouldn't happen either.
The four CAA FCS members are acting like FBS is in their future when there are no G5 openings. A realigned ASUN is their best option to get to FBS. UNA, UNF and FGCU have no bearing on that, but would support that kind of action for years down the road. The WAC has a mechanism to go FBS without costing a transition fortune like Liberty.

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During the Press Conference in joining the ASUN President Falwell Mention progressive in just about every sentence.

What Falwell said in his closing remarks in the Press Conference was what caught my attention.

In talking about the ASUN and especially the Commissioner he said, “Open to ideals outside of the box, creative and innovative that may come to fruition and take us to a higher level.”

What do all think he was possibly referring to in that last sentence?
Expand and contract multiple schools. But that is outside of the scope of most posters on this board who only allow talk of one or two schools, not several schools. The ASUN commish is a crackpot according to this board as most insist the ASUN will be a bottom feeder conference forever. Liberty, Kennesaw St, UNF and FGCU are too ambitious just to continually add D2 schools like they have done for the last 20 + years and they won’t stand for it anymore unless they have no options. Liberty got out of the Big South and UNA didn’t go to the OVC as those two conferences will become the southeast’s bottom feeders now.
But KSU, North Florida, and FGCU was all D2 schools not long ago..............
The ASun will let any school that fits their profile in, regardless of D1 or D2.

As for what FalwellI is referring to would be the same type of agreement that the ASun currently has with the Big South. And it will NOT require adding schools to do so.

With the everlooming possibility of "super conferences" in FBS in the future, I could see a scenario of the A-Sun and the Sun Belt (just example) making a deal that all ASun members who want to play FBS football will automatically be in the Sun Belt for football.

The ASun will then have schools in the Pioneer, Big South and a FBS conference, all schools would have their football options satisfied and a permanent home for all sports.

As for the ASun itself, I have personally talked about the football situation with Ted Gumbart himself, there is absolutely no plans for the conference sponsoring football. But he does intend on satisfying all schools football needs.

By doing that, it stabilizes the conference and now the schools in the conference can contribute more to making the conference stronger rather than worrying about who's going to be the next to depart for greener pastures and possibly looking themselves.
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(08-27-2018 10:00 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  This looks like all corporate commissioner marketing talk.

That being said, the one school that I've long been bullish on is FGCU. I don't know if it's going to add football or not. However, even only from a basketball standpoint, that's a fast-growing school in an even faster-growing and affluent market with no direct in-market competition for Division I college sports. (Granted, there's a lot of longer distance TV competition from Florida, FSU and Miami.) The fact that it's not in a better conference situation than the current incarnation of the A-Sun is a significant market disconnect. Someone that is considered to be at least a major basketball conference (e.g. the A-10, AAC, etc.) would be well-advised to consider adding them regardless of their football situation. I know that people will bring up geographic distance, but that hasn't shied leagues away from adding schools in the Miami/Fort Lauderdale area.

I expect FGCU and NKU to be in better conferences than their current ones in due time. Kinda wonder if SoCon might bite on one or both, were it interested in rebuilding hoops. CAA is too stuck on itself, but the idea of those two with CoC and UNCW seems to fit.
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RE: Atlantic Sun Commish wants it to be innovative and stand out among confereces
(08-27-2018 05:50 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  
(08-27-2018 02:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(08-27-2018 02:13 PM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  
(08-27-2018 12:00 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(08-27-2018 11:51 AM)lion1983 Wrote:  Okay, say the ASun and the WAC make some kind of a deal, at the moment, NMSU is the only WAC FBS program, Liberty the only ASun FBS program. Say UNA, KSU, North Florida, and FGCU all decided to move to FBS. That's 6 schools that are in a football only conference. I dont know what the rules are, but dont seem likely that the NCAA will allow such a collaboration when the namesake league only has 1 of their own in the league. Even if you could pull in UTRGV and Army, UMass and JMU, I dont think the NCAA letting it happen.

Maybe, a group of these schools from the ASun, A10 and JMU and Army could buy out the WAC from the FBS rights, but I dont know the rules on that either. And I put Army in there just because of name recognition, that probably wouldn't happen either.
The four CAA FCS members are acting like FBS is in their future when there are no G5 openings. A realigned ASUN is their best option to get to FBS. UNA, UNF and FGCU have no bearing on that, but would support that kind of action for years down the road. The WAC has a mechanism to go FBS without costing a transition fortune like Liberty.

expand?
During the Press Conference in joining the ASUN President Falwell Mention progressive in just about every sentence.

What Falwell said in his closing remarks in the Press Conference was what caught my attention.

In talking about the ASUN and especially the Commissioner he said, “Open to ideals outside of the box, creative and innovative that may come to fruition and take us to a higher level.”

What do all think he was possibly referring to in that last sentence?
Expand and contract multiple schools. But that is outside of the scope of most posters on this board who only allow talk of one or two schools, not several schools. The ASUN commish is a crackpot according to this board as most insist the ASUN will be a bottom feeder conference forever. Liberty, Kennesaw St, UNF and FGCU are too ambitious just to continually add D2 schools like they have done for the last 20 + years and they won’t stand for it anymore unless they have no options. Liberty got out of the Big South and UNA didn’t go to the OVC as those two conferences will become the southeast’s bottom feeders now.
But KSU, North Florida, and FGCU was all D2 schools not long ago..............
The ASun will let any school that fits their profile in, regardless of D1 or D2.

As for what FalwellI is referring to would be the same type of agreement that the ASun currently has with the Big South. And it will NOT require adding schools to do so.

With the everlooming possibility of "super conferences" in FBS in the future, I could see a scenario of the A-Sun and the Sun Belt (just example) making a deal that all ASun members who want to play FBS football will automatically be in the Sun Belt for football.

The ASun will then have schools in the Pioneer, Big South and a FBS conference, all schools would have their football options satisfied and a permanent home for all sports.

As for the ASun itself, I have personally talked about the football situation with Ted Gumbart himself, there is absolutely no plans for the conference sponsoring football. But he does intend on satisfying all schools football needs.

By doing that, it stabilizes the conference and now the schools in the conference can contribute more to making the conference stronger rather than worrying about who's going to be the next to depart for greener pastures and possibly looking themselves.

Stating that you have talked to the ASUN commissioner yourself means nothing. So all the Presidents, ADs and commissioners will tell boosters their strategic plans that they haven’t made public yet? No offense, but you can’t be that naive. The Maryland AD and President and the Big Ten commish Delaney kept word of the Maryland move top secret. Same thing holds for most conference moves.

Liberty itself, by being FBS and choosing the ASUn, should make everyone aware of what the ASUN plans. If the ASUN is not going FBS, what does Liberty gain by leaving the Big South?

KSU, UNF and FGCU all have plans that will advance the ASUN without resorting to DII schools, which will mostly lower the conference prestige even more. UNA has football credentials, which is why they got in.
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RE: Atlantic Sun Commish wants it to be innovative and stand out among confereces
(08-27-2018 07:03 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(08-27-2018 05:50 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  
(08-27-2018 02:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(08-27-2018 02:13 PM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  
(08-27-2018 12:00 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The four CAA FCS members are acting like FBS is in their future when there are no G5 openings. A realigned ASUN is their best option to get to FBS. UNA, UNF and FGCU have no bearing on that, but would support that kind of action for years down the road. The WAC has a mechanism to go FBS without costing a transition fortune like Liberty.

expand?
During the Press Conference in joining the ASUN President Falwell Mention progressive in just about every sentence.

What Falwell said in his closing remarks in the Press Conference was what caught my attention.

In talking about the ASUN and especially the Commissioner he said, “Open to ideals outside of the box, creative and innovative that may come to fruition and take us to a higher level.”

What do all think he was possibly referring to in that last sentence?
Expand and contract multiple schools. But that is outside of the scope of most posters on this board who only allow talk of one or two schools, not several schools. The ASUN commish is a crackpot according to this board as most insist the ASUN will be a bottom feeder conference forever. Liberty, Kennesaw St, UNF and FGCU are too ambitious just to continually add D2 schools like they have done for the last 20 + years and they won’t stand for it anymore unless they have no options. Liberty got out of the Big South and UNA didn’t go to the OVC as those two conferences will become the southeast’s bottom feeders now.
But KSU, North Florida, and FGCU was all D2 schools not long ago..............
The ASun will let any school that fits their profile in, regardless of D1 or D2.

As for what FalwellI is referring to would be the same type of agreement that the ASun currently has with the Big South. And it will NOT require adding schools to do so.

With the everlooming possibility of "super conferences" in FBS in the future, I could see a scenario of the A-Sun and the Sun Belt (just example) making a deal that all ASun members who want to play FBS football will automatically be in the Sun Belt for football.

The ASun will then have schools in the Pioneer, Big South and a FBS conference, all schools would have their football options satisfied and a permanent home for all sports.

As for the ASun itself, I have personally talked about the football situation with Ted Gumbart himself, there is absolutely no plans for the conference sponsoring football. But he does intend on satisfying all schools football needs.

By doing that, it stabilizes the conference and now the schools in the conference can contribute more to making the conference stronger rather than worrying about who's going to be the next to depart for greener pastures and possibly looking themselves.

Stating that you have talked to the ASUN commissioner yourself means nothing. So all the Presidents, ADs and commissioners will tell boosters their strategic plans that they haven’t made public yet? No offense, but you can’t be that naive.

Liberty itself, by being FBS and choosing the ASUn, should make everyone aware of what the ASUN plans. If the ASUN is not going FBS, what does Liberty gain by leaving the Big South?
Liberty was a different animal, and the commissioner does what the ADs and presidents of the University wants.

Liberty had to get out of the Big South because they were basically forced out because of the fact that the Big South dropped them to associate status when they moved football to FBS. No other conference invited them besides the ASun.

And you dont be naive, some people on this forum have contacts with conference officials and officials of schools they are associated with. That being said, sometimes, some things that may or may not be happening cant be fully talked about in public. I can say, unless something happens in the next couple of years to change, the ASun will not sponsor football.
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(08-27-2018 05:50 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  
(08-27-2018 02:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(08-27-2018 02:13 PM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  
(08-27-2018 12:00 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(08-27-2018 11:51 AM)lion1983 Wrote:  Okay, say the ASun and the WAC make some kind of a deal, at the moment, NMSU is the only WAC FBS program, Liberty the only ASun FBS program. Say UNA, KSU, North Florida, and FGCU all decided to move to FBS. That's 6 schools that are in a football only conference. I dont know what the rules are, but dont seem likely that the NCAA will allow such a collaboration when the namesake league only has 1 of their own in the league. Even if you could pull in UTRGV and Army, UMass and JMU, I dont think the NCAA letting it happen.

Maybe, a group of these schools from the ASun, A10 and JMU and Army could buy out the WAC from the FBS rights, but I dont know the rules on that either. And I put Army in there just because of name recognition, that probably wouldn't happen either.
The four CAA FCS members are acting like FBS is in their future when there are no G5 openings. A realigned ASUN is their best option to get to FBS. UNA, UNF and FGCU have no bearing on that, but would support that kind of action for years down the road. The WAC has a mechanism to go FBS without costing a transition fortune like Liberty.

expand?
During the Press Conference in joining the ASUN President Falwell Mention progressive in just about every sentence.

What Falwell said in his closing remarks in the Press Conference was what caught my attention.

In talking about the ASUN and especially the Commissioner he said, “Open to ideals outside of the box, creative and innovative that may come to fruition and take us to a higher level.”

What do all think he was possibly referring to in that last sentence?
Expand and contract multiple schools. But that is outside of the scope of most posters on this board who only allow talk of one or two schools, not several schools. The ASUN commish is a crackpot according to this board as most insist the ASUN will be a bottom feeder conference forever. Liberty, Kennesaw St, UNF and FGCU are too ambitious just to continually add D2 schools like they have done for the last 20 + years and they won’t stand for it anymore unless they have no options. Liberty got out of the Big South and UNA didn’t go to the OVC as those two conferences will become the southeast’s bottom feeders now.
But KSU, North Florida, and FGCU was all D2 schools not long ago..............
The ASun will let any school that fits their profile in, regardless of D1 or D2.

As for what FalwellI is referring to would be the same type of agreement that the ASun currently has with the Big South. And it will NOT require adding schools to do so.

With the everlooming possibility of "super conferences" in FBS in the future, I could see a scenario of the A-Sun and the Sun Belt (just example) making a deal that all ASun members who want to play FBS football will automatically be in the Sun Belt for football.

The ASun will then have schools in the Pioneer, Big South and a FBS conference, all schools would have their football options satisfied and a permanent home for all sports.

As for the ASun itself, I have personally talked about the football situation with Ted Gumbart himself, there is absolutely no plans for the conference sponsoring football. But he does intend on satisfying all schools football needs.

By doing that, it stabilizes the conference and now the schools in the conference can contribute more to making the conference stronger rather than worrying about who's going to be the next to depart for greener pastures and possibly looking themselves.

The Big South needed football schools that was the main reason for the agreement with the ASUN.

The SunBelt or any current FBS Conference doesn’t need any football schools, so why would those FBS Conferences even want to have an agreement with any FCS Conferences that had schools that wanted to play FBS?

So you think that the Commissioner will tell you, me or anybody about the discussions between the Presidents and the AD’s.
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(08-27-2018 07:17 PM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  
(08-27-2018 05:50 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  
(08-27-2018 02:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(08-27-2018 02:13 PM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  
(08-27-2018 12:00 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The four CAA FCS members are acting like FBS is in their future when there are no G5 openings. A realigned ASUN is their best option to get to FBS. UNA, UNF and FGCU have no bearing on that, but would support that kind of action for years down the road. The WAC has a mechanism to go FBS without costing a transition fortune like Liberty.

expand?
During the Press Conference in joining the ASUN President Falwell Mention progressive in just about every sentence.

What Falwell said in his closing remarks in the Press Conference was what caught my attention.

In talking about the ASUN and especially the Commissioner he said, “Open to ideals outside of the box, creative and innovative that may come to fruition and take us to a higher level.”

What do all think he was possibly referring to in that last sentence?
Expand and contract multiple schools. But that is outside of the scope of most posters on this board who only allow talk of one or two schools, not several schools. The ASUN commish is a crackpot according to this board as most insist the ASUN will be a bottom feeder conference forever. Liberty, Kennesaw St, UNF and FGCU are too ambitious just to continually add D2 schools like they have done for the last 20 + years and they won’t stand for it anymore unless they have no options. Liberty got out of the Big South and UNA didn’t go to the OVC as those two conferences will become the southeast’s bottom feeders now.
But KSU, North Florida, and FGCU was all D2 schools not long ago..............
The ASun will let any school that fits their profile in, regardless of D1 or D2.

As for what FalwellI is referring to would be the same type of agreement that the ASun currently has with the Big South. And it will NOT require adding schools to do so.

With the everlooming possibility of "super conferences" in FBS in the future, I could see a scenario of the A-Sun and the Sun Belt (just example) making a deal that all ASun members who want to play FBS football will automatically be in the Sun Belt for football.

The ASun will then have schools in the Pioneer, Big South and a FBS conference, all schools would have their football options satisfied and a permanent home for all sports.

As for the ASun itself, I have personally talked about the football situation with Ted Gumbart himself, there is absolutely no plans for the conference sponsoring football. But he does intend on satisfying all schools football needs.

By doing that, it stabilizes the conference and now the schools in the conference can contribute more to making the conference stronger rather than worrying about who's going to be the next to depart for greener pastures and possibly looking themselves.

The Big South needed football schools that was the main reason for the agreement with the ASUN.

The SunBelt or any current FBS Conference doesn’t need any football schools, so why would those FBS Conferences even want to have an agreement with any FCS Conferences that had schools that wanted to play FBS?

So you think that the Commissioner will tell you, me or anybody about the discussions between the Presidents and the AD’s.

Never said the ASUn will sponsor football in 2019 or in 2020. But 2024 is entirely reasonable if they can arrange a piece of the CFP. Any plans they have for 2024 the big wheels will be absolutely quiet about.

I’m a long range forecaster, and too many here are just focused on one year out.
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(08-27-2018 06:59 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(08-27-2018 10:00 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  This looks like all corporate commissioner marketing talk.

That being said, the one school that I've long been bullish on is FGCU. I don't know if it's going to add football or not. However, even only from a basketball standpoint, that's a fast-growing school in an even faster-growing and affluent market with no direct in-market competition for Division I college sports. (Granted, there's a lot of longer distance TV competition from Florida, FSU and Miami.) The fact that it's not in a better conference situation than the current incarnation of the A-Sun is a significant market disconnect. Someone that is considered to be at least a major basketball conference (e.g. the A-10, AAC, etc.) would be well-advised to consider adding them regardless of their football situation. I know that people will bring up geographic distance, but that hasn't shied leagues away from adding schools in the Miami/Fort Lauderdale area.

I expect FGCU and NKU to be in better conferences than their current ones in due time. Kinda wonder if SoCon might bite on one or both, were it interested in rebuilding hoops. CAA is too stuck on itself, but the idea of those two with CoC and UNCW seems to fit.

Doubtful unless one or both started football. UNCG is the only SoCon school without football. Outside of Davidson in the late 2000's, SoCon basketball hasn't been much of anything recently.
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(08-27-2018 07:17 PM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  
(08-27-2018 05:50 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  
(08-27-2018 02:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(08-27-2018 02:13 PM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  
(08-27-2018 12:00 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The four CAA FCS members are acting like FBS is in their future when there are no G5 openings. A realigned ASUN is their best option to get to FBS. UNA, UNF and FGCU have no bearing on that, but would support that kind of action for years down the road. The WAC has a mechanism to go FBS without costing a transition fortune like Liberty.

expand?
During the Press Conference in joining the ASUN President Falwell Mention progressive in just about every sentence.

What Falwell said in his closing remarks in the Press Conference was what caught my attention.

In talking about the ASUN and especially the Commissioner he said, “Open to ideals outside of the box, creative and innovative that may come to fruition and take us to a higher level.”

What do all think he was possibly referring to in that last sentence?
Expand and contract multiple schools. But that is outside of the scope of most posters on this board who only allow talk of one or two schools, not several schools. The ASUN commish is a crackpot according to this board as most insist the ASUN will be a bottom feeder conference forever. Liberty, Kennesaw St, UNF and FGCU are too ambitious just to continually add D2 schools like they have done for the last 20 + years and they won’t stand for it anymore unless they have no options. Liberty got out of the Big South and UNA didn’t go to the OVC as those two conferences will become the southeast’s bottom feeders now.
But KSU, North Florida, and FGCU was all D2 schools not long ago..............
The ASun will let any school that fits their profile in, regardless of D1 or D2.

As for what FalwellI is referring to would be the same type of agreement that the ASun currently has with the Big South. And it will NOT require adding schools to do so.

With the everlooming possibility of "super conferences" in FBS in the future, I could see a scenario of the A-Sun and the Sun Belt (just example) making a deal that all ASun members who want to play FBS football will automatically be in the Sun Belt for football.

The ASun will then have schools in the Pioneer, Big South and a FBS conference, all schools would have their football options satisfied and a permanent home for all sports.

As for the ASun itself, I have personally talked about the football situation with Ted Gumbart himself, there is absolutely no plans for the conference sponsoring football. But he does intend on satisfying all schools football needs.

By doing that, it stabilizes the conference and now the schools in the conference can contribute more to making the conference stronger rather than worrying about who's going to be the next to depart for greener pastures and possibly looking themselves.

The Big South needed football schools that was the main reason for the agreement with the ASUN.

The SunBelt or any current FBS Conference doesn’t need any football schools, so why would those FBS Conferences even want to have an agreement with any FCS Conferences that had schools that wanted to play FBS?

So you think that the Commissioner will tell you, me or anybody about the discussions between the Presidents and the AD’s.

I would not expect them to tell everything, but I can say what I was told. And that's the information I have to go by. Anything else would be speculation, wishing, or lies.
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North Alabama is just biding time until a spot becomes available in the OVC or a long shot at the SoCon.
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Everyone can be football only.

Having eight full members who are FBS only matters if you like want to vote on FBS matters and presumably CFP would treat a non-voting league as if it were simply independents.
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(08-28-2018 12:43 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  North Alabama is just biding time until a spot becomes available in the OVC or a long shot at the SoCon.

I’m not so sure about that statement.
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(08-28-2018 01:42 PM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  
(08-28-2018 12:43 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  North Alabama is just biding time until a spot becomes available in the OVC or a long shot at the SoCon.

I’m not so sure about that statement.

I agree, I think the fiasco with the OVC in the beginning left a bad, bad taste in UNAs mouths. And I think the ASun is a better fit for UNA.
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The ASUN commissioner can talk about being innovative all he wants but I think they are going to continue to be a feeder league.

FGCU, UNF, Kennesaw St, and Liberty all have a potential to be more than they are. They will eventually move on unless the ones who don't have football start and they can somehow attract some FBS aspiring schools and find a place the ones who aren't FBS material like Lipscomb, Jacksonville, Stetson, UNA, and NJIT.
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RE: Atlantic Sun Commish wants it to be innovative and stand out among confereces
Unfortunately the BW beat the ASUN to the innovative punch becoming the first D1 conference to sponsor men's volleyball and one of, if not the first, to sponsor beach volleyball.

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RE: Atlantic Sun Commish wants it to be innovative and stand out among confereces
(08-27-2018 08:52 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  
(08-27-2018 06:59 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(08-27-2018 10:00 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  This looks like all corporate commissioner marketing talk.

That being said, the one school that I've long been bullish on is FGCU. I don't know if it's going to add football or not. However, even only from a basketball standpoint, that's a fast-growing school in an even faster-growing and affluent market with no direct in-market competition for Division I college sports. (Granted, there's a lot of longer distance TV competition from Florida, FSU and Miami.) The fact that it's not in a better conference situation than the current incarnation of the A-Sun is a significant market disconnect. Someone that is considered to be at least a major basketball conference (e.g. the A-10, AAC, etc.) would be well-advised to consider adding them regardless of their football situation. I know that people will bring up geographic distance, but that hasn't shied leagues away from adding schools in the Miami/Fort Lauderdale area.

I expect FGCU and NKU to be in better conferences than their current ones in due time. Kinda wonder if SoCon might bite on one or both, were it interested in rebuilding hoops. CAA is too stuck on itself, but the idea of those two with CoC and UNCW seems to fit.

Doubtful unless one or both started football. UNCG is the only SoCon school without football. Outside of Davidson in the late 2000's, SoCon basketball hasn't been much of anything recently.

Didn’t someone from SoCon, conference or member school, say there was interest in building hoops, and some (potentially silly?) rumor CoC could return because they wanted to be with Davidson? I thought there was some smoke with Belmont getting an affiliate membership there and supposedly turning down Horizon, but nothing yet came of it with respect to another conference getting all of them.

I don’t disagree, though. I think SoCon is not in great shape and rudderless in hoops.
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RE: Atlantic Sun Commish wants it to be innovative and stand out among confereces
North Alabama does have over a 14,000 seat stadium. Them and Jacksonille State along with Alabama State all could be future FBS candidates. I do not think any CAA members would join those three. I read somewhere if any HBCUs going to FBS would have to be 2 or more. If A-Sun could get this lineup?

Jacksonville State
UNA
Alabama State
UNF
FGCU
Florida A&M
Kennesaw State
Tennessee State
Eastern Kentucky
North Carolina A&T
Liberty
Youngstown State (football only)

Move the A-Sun non-football schools to the Big South.

As for the CAA schools? I think they could pull together a northeast base FBS conference.
James Madison
Army
Delaware
Towson
New Hampshire
UMass.
William & Mary
Richmond
Fordham (football only)
Stony Brook
Albany


I could see Chattanooga, East Tennessee State and Mercer could join the party down the road. But as for NoDak's post he started? I do not see it likely to happen.
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RE: Atlantic Sun Commish wants it to be innovative and stand out among confereces
I thought there was some rule that you cant just start sponsoring FBS football?
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RE: Atlantic Sun Commish wants it to be innovative and stand out among confereces
(08-28-2018 06:51 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  North Alabama does have over a 14,000 seat stadium. Them and Jacksonille State along with Alabama State all could be future FBS candidates. I do not think any CAA members would join those three. I read somewhere if any HBCUs going to FBS would have to be 2 or more. If A-Sun could get this lineup?

Jacksonville State
UNA
Alabama State
UNF
FGCU
Florida A&M
Kennesaw State
Tennessee State
Eastern Kentucky
North Carolina A&T
Liberty
Youngstown State (football only)

Move the A-Sun non-football schools to the Big South.

As for the CAA schools? I think they could pull together a northeast base FBS conference.
James Madison
Army
Delaware
Towson
New Hampshire
UMass.
William & Mary
Richmond
Fordham (football only)
Stony Brook
Albany


I could see Chattanooga, East Tennessee State and Mercer could join the party down the road. But as for NoDak's post he started? I do not see it likely to happen.

The problem with UNAs stadium is that it will likely never be expanded. Though, there is plans to build a new stadium in the future. Just dont have a definite timeline yet.
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RE: Atlantic Sun Commish wants it to be innovative and stand out among confereces
NCAT may be a possibility joining the ASun if they decided to do what Hampton is doing. That would also get the ASun back into the Carolinas.
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