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A radical proposal for an NCAA postseason football tournament
We've heard countless competing suggestions for expanding the CFP, all of them with perfectly valid arguments for how teams should be selected and all of them diametrically opposed to the others. Here's a suggestion that is completely new.

The CFP is not an NCAA sponsored national championship tournament. I suggest that the NCAA sponsor a postseason tournament that does not purport to be a national championship either. Just a tournament. And I would televise all seven games on OTA channels.

There are four distinct types of schools that play FBS football. These are state flagship universities, land grant universities, private schools, and public schools not designated as land grant institutions. From each of these four categories, using a composite ranking by a number of respected computer ranking algorithms, I would select the two highest ranked schools in each category that are not in the same conference. Schools need not be champions of their own conference to be selected.

In the week following CCGs, each of these four pairs of schools would play for the right to represent their classification as its champion. The losers would be put back into the pool of schools eligible for other bowl games based on their own conference's tie-ins.

In late December the semifinal round would match the champions of each classification on a rotating basis, and the winners of these semifinal games would compete the following week in prime time for the title "Champion of Champions".

There would be no obligation or agreement by national polls like the AP and Coaches' Poll to vote for the winner of this tournament as its "Mythical National Champion". The NY6 bowls would be free to select whomever they want, however they want, from among the 126 schools not in the tournament semifinals.

For the 2017 season, using the AP and CFP rankings as a surrogate for the composite ranking, these would have been the four quarterfinal pairings:

Flagships: Oklahoma vs Georgia
Land grants: Clemson vs Ohio State
Privates*: Southern Cal vs Miami
Publics: Central Florida vs Boise State

*I include the service academies with the private school classification

There is no guarantee that if the Public School champion were to win the eight team tournament that they would be voted #1 in the post bowl season polls. But they would certainly now have a legitimate claim to a mythical national championship if they were voted #1 (something BYU did not have in 1984 and UCF did not have in 2017).

And while last year the G5 schools would have been guaranteed a spot in the semifinals, there is no guarantee in future years that they would even get a spot in the quarterfinal round. They would have to earn it.

For those who would argue that this tournament wouldn't reduce the amount of controversy about who should be considered the best team in college football (after all, CFP champion Alabama would have been left out in 2017), I would say "so what?" What's bad about controversy?
08-23-2018 12:57 PM
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RE: A radical proposal for an NCAA postseason football tournament
Can you list out the schools for each group?
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(08-23-2018 01:05 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Can you list out the schools for each group?

That's a lot of schools, so I'll put each classification in a separate post.
08-23-2018 01:10 PM
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State flagships:

Alabama
Georgia
Oklahoma
Wisconsin
Washington
Iowa
Michigan
Texas
South Carolina
Utah
Oregon
West Virginia
Indiana
Missouri
Arizona
California
UCLA
Ole Miss
Minnesota
Ohio
Kentucky
Florida
Colorado
North Carolina
Wyoming
Arkansas
Nebraska
Maryland
Virginia
Tennessee
Buffalo
Rutgers
Nevada
Massaschusetts
Illinois
Connecticut
New Mexico
Hawaii
Kansas
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RE: A radical proposal for an NCAA postseason football tournament
Land grants:

Ohio State
Penn State
Clemson
Auburn
Oklahoma State
Mississippi State
LSU
Virginia Tech
Michigan State
North Carolina State
Iowa State
Florida State
Kansas State
Purdue
Washington State
Texas A&M
Arizona State
Colorado State
Utah State
New Mexico State
Oregon State
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Privates:

Notre Dame
TCU
Stanford
Southern Cal
Miami
Northwestern
Wake Forest
Boston College
Duke
Navy
Army
Syracuse
Vanderbilt
SMU
Tulane
Air Force
Baylor
BYU
Rice
Liberty
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RE: A radical proposal for an NCAA postseason football tournament
Publics:

Central Florida
Louisville
Memphis
Boise State
South Florida
Georgia Tech
Pittsburgh
Florida Atlantic
Texas Tech
Fresno State
Appalachian State
San Diego State
Houston
Troy
Toledo
Temple
Northern Illinois
Louisiana Tech
Marshall
Western Michigan
Arkansas State
Eastern Michigan
Central Michigan
Middle Tennessee
North Texas
Southern Miss
Tulsa
Miami (O)
UT San Antonio
Florida International
Akron
UNLV
UAB
Cincinnati
East Carolina
Western Kentucky
LA - Monroe
Georgia State
Bowling Green
Georgia Southern
Old Dominion
Louisiana **
South Alabama
Coastal Carolina
San Jose State
Texas State
Kent State
Ball State
Charlotte
UTEP

** I originally listed them as LA - Lafayette. Realizing they prefer to be called Louisiana I changed it here. But I'm not sure if that means they should be listed with Flagships instead.
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(08-23-2018 01:27 PM)ken d Wrote:  ** I originally listed them as LA - Lafayette. Realizing they prefer to be called Louisiana I changed it here. But I'm not sure if that means they should be listed with Flagsips instead.

It’s good the way it is
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RE: A radical proposal for an NCAA postseason football tournament
LSU, Ohio State, and Penn State are flagships regardless of the "State" in their name.
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RE: A radical proposal for an NCAA postseason football tournament
(08-23-2018 01:59 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  LSU, Ohio State, and Penn State are flagships regardless of the "State" in their name.

When in doubt (and "flagship" status isn't always spelled out as unambiguoulsy as we would like), I placed shools like these three with the landgrants because there were a lot more "Univerity of (State)" schools than landgrants. This was my way of balancing the two to insure most participants would be highly ranked in their own right.

There is no question these are all landgrant institutions, and not all flagships are designated as land grants.
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RE: A radical proposal for an NCAA postseason football tournament
Strictly speaking, the NCAA already stages a postseason football tournament for the NCAA Championship. Not sure how radical the idea of them staging a tourney is in light of that.
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RE: A radical proposal for an NCAA postseason football tournament
(08-23-2018 02:25 PM)Bogg Wrote:  Strictly speaking, the NCAA already stages a postseason football tournament for the NCAA Championship. Not sure how radical the idea of them staging a tourney is in light of that.

They could stage one for the FBS, but they choose not to. The radical part isn't about staging one or not. It's about taking conferences and conference championships out of the equation.
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