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I am so glad I didn't miss anything in the week I was away from the boards. I thought we might have moved on to more important topics

(08-27-2018 10:54 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 10:03 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 09:32 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 08:05 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 07:48 AM)odu09 Wrote:  As long as we are in CUSA, are we only going to be paying for a Chevy Cruze? Or are we waiting for an invite to another conference before we can afford a used Corvette? We might be waiting a while. It's a concern for me, the resources have been taken away from basketball and don't seem to be going back. Perhaps I am in the minority since I value basketball over football, so I suppose I need to get used to being disappointed?

"the resources have been taken away from basketball and don't seem to be going back."

Exactly what resources have been taken away from basketball?

Quite simply put that Blaine used to make somewhere in the neighborhood of $800k per year. Now we are down to $500k for salary. To me, salary is what buys you a better coach. Do you disagree that a better coach deserves more money? It seems kind of straight forward to me. I don't have any hidden information, just looking at what's out there.

In his 12th season, Taylor made $327,000 annually in base salary and other considerations, and about $420,000 in private money from the Old Dominion Athletic Foundation. Va Pilot story

I could see Jones reaching that level in another 6 years, if he's still here. And to be clear, I'm not advocating that, just saying Blaine worked his way up to that figure.

This is how I see that:

Blaine elevated the program to a point where $800k was a reasonable figure to pay our coach. It was comparable to the salaries other schools at the high end of Mid Major basketball were making.

Blaine leaves, we pay a coach $450k which took the program down a level, instead of hiring a higher value coach with the hopes of maintaining the current level of competition. I don't think every coach should start at a low figure and then work back up to your previous high water mark. I think you should pay at the level you aspire to, not the level you were at 12 years ago.

OK, but is it that they decided to pay $450K and then searched for the best coach they could get at that price, or did they decide on Jones and negotiate salary from there?

I think people forget that the coaching pool the year the ODU job opened up was not great. Enfield was on the ODU radar until Dunk City happened, and ODU isn't outpaying USC. Ricky Pitino got a big-dollar contract from Minnesota on the strength of his last name and one decent season at FIU. All the coaches that people here wanted like Mike Rhoades and Kevin Keatts had their pluses and minuses. Was there anyone out there who deserved $800K or more based on what they had done to that point? Overpaying to prop up the optics of being a "bigger-time program" does more harm than good. Take Rhoades: He's making $1.2 million at VCU. I like him as a coach and think he'd be a fine fit at ODU (assuming he wouldn't leave when the VCU job opened up). Would you pay him $1.2M based on what you saw at Rice?

Instead we settled for the AD’s old buddy who went 10-20 at American the year before.

Then we resigned him after zero NCAA births in 5 years.

Wood Selig is a joke.

(08-27-2018 08:42 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 10:54 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 10:03 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 09:32 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 08:05 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  "the resources have been taken away from basketball and don't seem to be going back."

Exactly what resources have been taken away from basketball?

Quite simply put that Blaine used to make somewhere in the neighborhood of $800k per year. Now we are down to $500k for salary. To me, salary is what buys you a better coach. Do you disagree that a better coach deserves more money? It seems kind of straight forward to me. I don't have any hidden information, just looking at what's out there.

In his 12th season, Taylor made $327,000 annually in base salary and other considerations, and about $420,000 in private money from the Old Dominion Athletic Foundation. Va Pilot story

I could see Jones reaching that level in another 6 years, if he's still here. And to be clear, I'm not advocating that, just saying Blaine worked his way up to that figure.

This is how I see that:

Blaine elevated the program to a point where $800k was a reasonable figure to pay our coach. It was comparable to the salaries other schools at the high end of Mid Major basketball were making.

Blaine leaves, we pay a coach $450k which took the program down a level, instead of hiring a higher value coach with the hopes of maintaining the current level of competition. I don't think every coach should start at a low figure and then work back up to your previous high water mark. I think you should pay at the level you aspire to, not the level you were at 12 years ago.

OK, but is it that they decided to pay $450K and then searched for the best coach they could get at that price, or did they decide on Jones and negotiate salary from there?

I think people forget that the coaching pool the year the ODU job opened up was not great. Enfield was on the ODU radar until Dunk City happened, and ODU isn't outpaying USC. Ricky Pitino got a big-dollar contract from Minnesota on the strength of his last name and one decent season at FIU. All the coaches that people here wanted like Mike Rhoades and Kevin Keatts had their pluses and minuses. Was there anyone out there who deserved $800K or more based on what they had done to that point? Overpaying to prop up the optics of being a "bigger-time program" does more harm than good. Take Rhoades: He's making $1.2 million at VCU. I like him as a coach and think he'd be a fine fit at ODU (assuming he wouldn't leave when the VCU job opened up). Would you pay him $1.2M based on what you saw at Rice?

LOL off paying Rhoades 1.2 million when Jones is a much better coach.

(08-27-2018 09:26 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 08:42 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 10:54 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 10:03 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 09:32 AM)odu09 Wrote:  Quite simply put that Blaine used to make somewhere in the neighborhood of $800k per year. Now we are down to $500k for salary. To me, salary is what buys you a better coach. Do you disagree that a better coach deserves more money? It seems kind of straight forward to me. I don't have any hidden information, just looking at what's out there.

In his 12th season, Taylor made $327,000 annually in base salary and other considerations, and about $420,000 in private money from the Old Dominion Athletic Foundation. Va Pilot story

I could see Jones reaching that level in another 6 years, if he's still here. And to be clear, I'm not advocating that, just saying Blaine worked his way up to that figure.

This is how I see that:

Blaine elevated the program to a point where $800k was a reasonable figure to pay our coach. It was comparable to the salaries other schools at the high end of Mid Major basketball were making.

Blaine leaves, we pay a coach $450k which took the program down a level, instead of hiring a higher value coach with the hopes of maintaining the current level of competition. I don't think every coach should start at a low figure and then work back up to your previous high water mark. I think you should pay at the level you aspire to, not the level you were at 12 years ago.

OK, but is it that they decided to pay $450K and then searched for the best coach they could get at that price, or did they decide on Jones and negotiate salary from there?

I think people forget that the coaching pool the year the ODU job opened up was not great. Enfield was on the ODU radar until Dunk City happened, and ODU isn't outpaying USC. Ricky Pitino got a big-dollar contract from Minnesota on the strength of his last name and one decent season at FIU. All the coaches that people here wanted like Mike Rhoades and Kevin Keatts had their pluses and minuses. Was there anyone out there who deserved $800K or more based on what they had done to that point? Overpaying to prop up the optics of being a "bigger-time program" does more harm than good. Take Rhoades: He's making $1.2 million at VCU. I like him as a coach and think he'd be a fine fit at ODU (assuming he wouldn't leave when the VCU job opened up). Would you pay him $1.2M based on what you saw at Rice?

LOL off paying Rhoades 1.2 million when Jones is a much better coach.

And yet he beat him with a crappy vcu team in our, what did you call it?

“One of the best odu teams in the last 3 decades”?? Lol

T-drain wants his Schtick back.

(08-27-2018 08:58 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  Instead we settled for the AD’s old buddy who went 10-20 at American the year before.

Then we resigned him after zero NCAA births in 5 years.

Wood Selig is a joke.

The first part is exactly right. Jones should have never gotten this job with his resume being what it was at American. I could not believe the hire.


In my mind, he deserved this extension. Jones has avoided the really bad year, and has come really close to getting this team back to the NCAA Tournament. These freshman that are coming in this year, are a totally different level of recruit. I was guilty of being one of the people that were really excited about Hueitt, but I was told that Hueitt isn't in the same stratosphere as these freshman. This recruiting class, was the "cherry on top" when it comes to reasons why he got the extension.

Hope you and whoever told you about this class, are right.

(08-27-2018 10:58 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 10:35 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 08:02 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 07:48 AM)odu09 Wrote:  As long as we are in CUSA, are we only going to be paying for a Chevy Cruze? Or are we waiting for an invite to another conference before we can afford a used Corvette? We might be waiting a while. It's a concern for me, the resources have been taken away from basketball and don't seem to be going back. Perhaps I am in the minority since I value basketball over football, so I suppose I need to get used to being disappointed?

I could potentially get onboard with valuing football over basketball if we were competitive, but we aren't and I really haven't been overly excited about a game or even considered traveling to a road game since TH graduated. If our ceiling is 8 wins against bad teams and our reward is a weekday bowl game, in December, against a middle of the road MAC opponent, in the Bahamas, I'll pass. I just don't see the return on the investment. Seems like we could invest much less in basketball and see returns. Top 50 gives you a chance to be in the brackets and make big news. Top 50 in football gives you a bowl game that gives you the final score on page 8 of the paper with no story attached. Not to mention, football itself is under attack by the SJW mafia and viewership and participation are both on the decline. I feel like we are buying Sears stock in 1990.

I would bet a weekday bowl game brings in more money than a first round basketball tourney game.

I'll take that bet. CUSA has to help fund teams' bowl trips because the payouts typically don't even cover the cost of sending the team.

One unit in the NCAA tournament is worth $264k. Our payout for the Bahama Bowl was $450k.

Isn't that unit shared with the conference?

(08-28-2018 07:35 AM)757ODU Wrote:  In my mind, he deserved this extension. Jones has avoided the really bad year, and has come really close to getting this team back to the NCAA Tournament. These freshman that are coming in this year, are a totally different level of recruit. I was guilty of being one of the people that were really excited about Hueitt, but I was told that Hueitt isn't in the same stratosphere as these freshman. This recruiting class, was the "cherry on top" when it comes to reasons why he got the extension.

I believe what you have to say. I hope this level of recruiting can continue. I don't expect them to make a big impact as a freshman since that rarely happens, so my expectations are in check. I will admit I've noticed the recruiting is getting better, and it would be more difficult to land these types of recruits if the coach only has 2 years left on his contract.

(08-28-2018 08:26 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 10:58 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 10:35 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 08:02 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 07:48 AM)odu09 Wrote:  As long as we are in CUSA, are we only going to be paying for a Chevy Cruze? Or are we waiting for an invite to another conference before we can afford a used Corvette? We might be waiting a while. It's a concern for me, the resources have been taken away from basketball and don't seem to be going back. Perhaps I am in the minority since I value basketball over football, so I suppose I need to get used to being disappointed?

I could potentially get onboard with valuing football over basketball if we were competitive, but we aren't and I really haven't been overly excited about a game or even considered traveling to a road game since TH graduated. If our ceiling is 8 wins against bad teams and our reward is a weekday bowl game, in December, against a middle of the road MAC opponent, in the Bahamas, I'll pass. I just don't see the return on the investment. Seems like we could invest much less in basketball and see returns. Top 50 gives you a chance to be in the brackets and make big news. Top 50 in football gives you a bowl game that gives you the final score on page 8 of the paper with no story attached. Not to mention, football itself is under attack by the SJW mafia and viewership and participation are both on the decline. I feel like we are buying Sears stock in 1990.

I would bet a weekday bowl game brings in more money than a first round basketball tourney game.

I'll take that bet. CUSA has to help fund teams' bowl trips because the payouts typically don't even cover the cost of sending the team.

One unit in the NCAA tournament is worth $264k. Our payout for the Bahama Bowl was $450k.

I thought we had to pay $200k to get there.

We profited $100k for the Bahamas bowl without consideration for the increased donations. Profit from ticket sales would have helped, but the circumstances around the game affected those.

(08-28-2018 08:49 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 07:35 AM)757ODU Wrote:  In my mind, he deserved this extension. Jones has avoided the really bad year, and has come really close to getting this team back to the NCAA Tournament. These freshman that are coming in this year, are a totally different level of recruit. I was guilty of being one of the people that were really excited about Hueitt, but I was told that Hueitt isn't in the same stratosphere as these freshman. This recruiting class, was the "cherry on top" when it comes to reasons why he got the extension.

I believe what you have to say. I hope this level of recruiting can continue. I don't expect them to make a big impact as a freshman since that rarely happens, so my expectations are in check. I will admit I've noticed the recruiting is getting better, and it would be more difficult to land these types of recruits if the coach only has 2 years left on his contract.

Try not to only look at first year production. We want guys in here that will be here for 4 years and become all conference type of players. All three of these guys can do that.