(08-24-2018 12:50 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(08-24-2018 10:54 AM)bullet Wrote:  He didn't tell them about the allegations about Smith in Florida. That was an omission. Only Meyer knows if it was a lie. Be honest and think about how many things from 3 years ago you remember about other people when you have to fill out a form. I know from filling out applications for kids there is a lot I don't remember and I have a great memory.

He did lie in the press conference about 2015. Again, applying that standard and you would fire about 100 FBS coaches today.

Meyer had a responsibility to report what he knew to his superiors. He didn't. Whether it was intentional or not is irrelevant. Sure people forget things - they forget where they put their keys; a personal password; a specific date. However, it would be an incredibly foolish argument to say that one doesn't remember a close personal staff member being accused of serious allegations at not one but two different institutions.

Coaches stretch the truth about rosters, coaching decisions, gameplanning, etc. Very few have been caught lying about illegal activity. Others - like previously mentioned - had all been terminated. Whether you want to admit it or not, there is already a standard there. Ohio State just didn't follow it.

Who lied about illegal activity?

Zach Smith was never convicted of anything illegal; he was never charged with anything illegal; he was never even arrested. His ex-wife's own mother publicly said that she was making it up to try to get both Zach and Urban fired.

(08-23-2018 10:41 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The sad thing is there are few schools that would have behaved differently. We should be honest with ourselves on that.

We got rid of Petrino for much less.

(08-25-2018 03:09 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(08-24-2018 12:50 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(08-24-2018 10:54 AM)bullet Wrote:  He didn't tell them about the allegations about Smith in Florida. That was an omission. Only Meyer knows if it was a lie. Be honest and think about how many things from 3 years ago you remember about other people when you have to fill out a form. I know from filling out applications for kids there is a lot I don't remember and I have a great memory.

He did lie in the press conference about 2015. Again, applying that standard and you would fire about 100 FBS coaches today.

Meyer had a responsibility to report what he knew to his superiors. He didn't. Whether it was intentional or not is irrelevant. Sure people forget things - they forget where they put their keys; a personal password; a specific date. However, it would be an incredibly foolish argument to say that one doesn't remember a close personal staff member being accused of serious allegations at not one but two different institutions.

Coaches stretch the truth about rosters, coaching decisions, gameplanning, etc. Very few have been caught lying about illegal activity. Others - like previously mentioned - had all been terminated. Whether you want to admit it or not, there is already a standard there. Ohio State just didn't follow it.

Who lied about illegal activity?

Zach Smith was never convicted of anything illegal; he was never charged with anything illegal; he was never even arrested. His ex-wife's own mother publicly said that she was making it up to try to get both Zach and Urban fired.

Wrong. Smith was arrested in 2009. Meyer was made aware of it. He did not tell Gene Smith about it when he wanted to hire him in 2011. Try again.

(08-25-2018 06:04 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 10:41 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The sad thing is there are few schools that would have behaved differently. We should be honest with ourselves on that.

We got rid of Petrino for much less.

You must be new to Arkansas. Petrino got his mistress hired. He was effectively stealing from the university. He should have been thrown in jail, not just fired.

(08-23-2018 10:41 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The sad thing is there are few schools that would have behaved differently. We should be honest with ourselves on that.

Afraid you are right on.

(08-26-2018 09:19 AM)westwolf Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 10:41 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The sad thing is there are few schools that would have behaved differently. We should be honest with ourselves on that.

Afraid you are right on.

Take away this being the highly visible football coach and put it in the sphere of an abusive tenured faculty member with a Chair, Dean, and/or Provost, and it’s not uncommon at all. Or what faculty do to one another and the hazing they place those playing the tenure game. Or what happens to post-docs supporting research in general. These places are disgusting.

Higher ed is so hierarchical, it really has become the kind of place where the title determines the level of fault.

(08-23-2018 10:38 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Urban would have been fired if he did this @ Florida and I believe he knew that too, which is why he is at Ohio State now, IMO. I am thinking OSU could have fired him also if it weren’t for a shortage of available head coaching talent right now. I imagine Tom Herman is locked up for many years @ Texas, Chip Kelly just did start @ UCLA and could be just as dishonest as Urban, etc. If you look at the NFL, not too many options over there either unless you look at John Harbaugh possibly, but he may not be ready to leave the Ravens yet.

GTFOH with that BS that he would have been fired at Florida for doing this. They didn't fire his ass over all the other crap his players were pulling like Aaron Hernandez more than likely killing a guy. UF was not some squeaky clean program when he was there and they aren't some place where morals mean more than winning.

(08-24-2018 08:07 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 10:16 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 09:43 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  It is funny going back and forth between reactions. The concenus on most OSU sites yesterday seeemed to most likely thing was time served since did appear to have reported everything he was supposed to. Tons of outraged comments when they announced 3 games. Then go other places and people act like a slap on tbe wrist.

According to the report, Meyer did not report everything he was supposed to. Gene Smith did not know about Zach Smith's allegations while at Florida, since Meyer never told him. Both knew about the allegations in 2015, but neither reported it to their superiors. Perhaps most noteworthy, Meyer lied about it in a press conference and attacked the reporter who asked about it (Brett McMurphy).

I'm sure the Ohio State community is thrilled to keep Meyer as head coach, even if it is deemed "unfair" that he received a three-game suspension for it. However, make no mistake, if Meyer does not hold a national championship pedigree - winning over 90% of his games - there is no question that an employee would be terminated for 1) failure to report allegations/arrests of employees to superiors and 2) lying to press/public (and most likely said superiors) in attempt to downplay and/or cover it up.

Jim Tressel was asked to resign over failing to report to administration of improper benefits of players. Bobby Petrino was fired for lying about a relationship to administration. Hugh Freeze was asked to resign when he lied about the nature of phone calls on his university cell phone. The list goes on and on. Schools fire coaches for failure to report and/or lying to administrators. Both happened here. Meyer is very fortunate to still have his job.

Jim Tressel lied about NCAA violations. Petrino lied about a relationship with a mistress who he had Arkansas hire, so he basically stole state funds.

Meyer didn't disclose an allegation at a prior job for which the guy was never prosecuted by the police and which had nothing to do with his job or the workplace.

He ONLY got suspended because of the current political environment.

If everyone got fired for things former spouses claimed, about half of all divorcees would be unemployed. <no I am not divorced, but I've heard enough stories personally and in the media>

Its a dangerous path society is heading down with business taking over the role of big brother and prying into every aspect of their employees' lives and firing bosses for not acting as judge, jury and executioner.

Oh shut up. This is complete BS, it is more than a claim. God forbid we hold people (especially those only where they are because of nepotism) to some sort of standard and sending a signal it's not okay to beat your spouse and not okay for your employer to look the other way when told about it.

But hey I guess personal responsibility isn't a big thing where you're from.

(08-24-2018 08:27 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-24-2018 08:20 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(08-24-2018 08:07 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 10:16 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 09:43 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  It is funny going back and forth between reactions. The concenus on most OSU sites yesterday seeemed to most likely thing was time served since did appear to have reported everything he was supposed to. Tons of outraged comments when they announced 3 games. Then go other places and people act like a slap on tbe wrist.

According to the report, Meyer did not report everything he was supposed to. Gene Smith did not know about Zach Smith's allegations while at Florida, since Meyer never told him. Both knew about the allegations in 2015, but neither reported it to their superiors. Perhaps most noteworthy, Meyer lied about it in a press conference and attacked the reporter who asked about it (Brett McMurphy).

I'm sure the Ohio State community is thrilled to keep Meyer as head coach, even if it is deemed "unfair" that he received a three-game suspension for it. However, make no mistake, if Meyer does not hold a national championship pedigree - winning over 90% of his games - there is no question that an employee would be terminated for 1) failure to report allegations/arrests of employees to superiors and 2) lying to press/public (and most likely said superiors) in attempt to downplay and/or cover it up.

Jim Tressel was asked to resign over failing to report to administration of improper benefits of players. Bobby Petrino was fired for lying about a relationship to administration. Hugh Freeze was asked to resign when he lied about the nature of phone calls on his university cell phone. The list goes on and on. Schools fire coaches for failure to report and/or lying to administrators. Both happened here. Meyer is very fortunate to still have his job.

Jim Tressel lied about NCAA violations. Petrino lied about a relationship with a mistress who he had Arkansas hire, so he basically stole state funds.

Meyer didn't disclose an allegation at a prior job for which the guy was never prosecuted by the police and which had nothing to do with his job or the workplace.

He ONLY got suspended because of the current political environment.

If everyone got fired for things former spouses claimed, about half of all divorcees would be unemployed. <no I am not divorced, but I've heard enough stories personally and in the media>

Its a dangerous path society is heading down with business taking over the role of big brother and prying into every aspect of their employees' lives and firing bosses for not acting as judge, jury and executioner.

Meyer lied too. In a press conference. Then attacked the reporter's credibility. He was suspended because he did not uphold the values of the university. He was not "ONLY suspended because of the current political environment".

I would argue that winning football games over the safety and well-being of individuals (see Penn State, see Baylor, etc.) is an even more incredibly dangerous path. Some would argue we are even at that point already at many institutions. Ohio State only furthered that argument more when - regardless if what is being said about Zach Smith is true - there was not one single comment about the alleged victim or spousal abuse victims in general.

So far as I know, Zach Smith has not been convicted of anything. If they opine on that, they open themselves up to legal action. You have to be careful in talking about personnel matters.

Again, this is ALL about the current political environment. You prove that in your last sentence and don't even understand.

The press conference was a trivial matter, an excuse for the other issues.

Now, as I think LS said, Meyer is well paid. He is a very public figure. Getting punished for this sort of thing goes with the territory. Ohio St. felt like they had to do something. But of course, for many, something will never be enough.

Holy **** you can't really think all you need is a conviction to be punished by your employer. Hello drug tests! If you fail a drug test you aren't convicted of anything!

But hey who cares about wife beaters and covering it up as long as coaches can win big games right?

(08-25-2018 03:09 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(08-24-2018 12:50 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(08-24-2018 10:54 AM)bullet Wrote:  He didn't tell them about the allegations about Smith in Florida. That was an omission. Only Meyer knows if it was a lie. Be honest and think about how many things from 3 years ago you remember about other people when you have to fill out a form. I know from filling out applications for kids there is a lot I don't remember and I have a great memory.

He did lie in the press conference about 2015. Again, applying that standard and you would fire about 100 FBS coaches today.

Meyer had a responsibility to report what he knew to his superiors. He didn't. Whether it was intentional or not is irrelevant. Sure people forget things - they forget where they put their keys; a personal password; a specific date. However, it would be an incredibly foolish argument to say that one doesn't remember a close personal staff member being accused of serious allegations at not one but two different institutions.

Coaches stretch the truth about rosters, coaching decisions, gameplanning, etc. Very few have been caught lying about illegal activity. Others - like previously mentioned - had all been terminated. Whether you want to admit it or not, there is already a standard there. Ohio State just didn't follow it.

Who lied about illegal activity?

Zach Smith was never convicted of anything illegal; he was never charged with anything illegal; he was never even arrested. His ex-wife's own mother publicly said that she was making it up to try to get both Zach and Urban fired.

Got a credible source? Also why would she be lying for over a decade and still be married to the guy? Why would she be trying to get her husband fired while they are still married? Got an answer to that one genius?

(08-25-2018 07:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 06:04 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 10:41 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The sad thing is there are few schools that would have behaved differently. We should be honest with ourselves on that.

We got rid of Petrino for much less.

You must be new to Arkansas. Petrino got his mistress hired. He was effectively stealing from the university. He should have been thrown in jail, not just fired.

Hiring your mistress isn't stealing and isn't a crime. Nice try though, good to see you rather defend a wife beater than a adulterer.

I just don't understand why a school would feel that a successful head coach is irreplaceable. Every coach is replaceable. Ohio State was successful under Tressel, Cooper, Bruce and Hayes, among others. Florida is no different. Both schools are capable of competing for and winning national championships with other coaches. Their brand is bigger than any one coach.

I think there is definitely a greater personal connection with OSU/Meyer is because he is one of their own. I do not believe Florida would have been as protective in a case like this (however, if it involved a coach at the stature/legacy of Spurrier, I could see it).

(08-26-2018 10:36 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I just don't understand why a school would feel that a successful head coach is irreplaceable. Every coach is replaceable. Ohio State was successful under Tressel, Cooper, Bruce and Hayes, among others. Florida is no different. Both schools are capable of competing for and winning national championships with other coaches. Their brand is bigger than any one coach.

I think there is definitely a greater personal connection with OSU/Meyer is because he is one of their own. I do not believe Florida would have been as protective in a case like this (however, if it involved a coach at the stature/legacy of Spurrier, I could see it).

Meh, he was winning NC's at UF and made the Gators top dog again in FL and the SEC. They would have done the same thing.

(08-26-2018 10:29 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 07:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 06:04 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 10:41 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The sad thing is there are few schools that would have behaved differently. We should be honest with ourselves on that.

We got rid of Petrino for much less.

You must be new to Arkansas. Petrino got his mistress hired. He was effectively stealing from the university. He should have been thrown in jail, not just fired.

Hiring your mistress isn't stealing and isn't a crime. Nice try though, good to see you rather defend a wife beater than a adulterer.

Hiring your mistress to a made up job is theft.

Meyer didn't beat anyone.

We don't know that Smith beat anyone. He has not been charged with any event of wife beating. He was apparently arrested in 2009 but not charged.


I see you need remedial education. "Innocent until proven guilty."

(08-26-2018 10:36 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I just don't understand why a school would feel that a successful head coach is irreplaceable. Every coach is replaceable. Ohio State was successful under Tressel, Cooper, Bruce and Hayes, among others. Florida is no different. Both schools are capable of competing for and winning national championships with other coaches. Their brand is bigger than any one coach.

I think there is definitely a greater personal connection with OSU/Meyer is because he is one of their own. I do not believe Florida would have been as protective in a case like this (however, if it involved a coach at the stature/legacy of Spurrier, I could see it).

There is nothing in Florida's history that leads me to believe they would be less lenient. I'm pretty sure they would be more lenient. As I said, they have a more lenient drug policy for their athletes than any other school in the SEC.

To what extent is this all Meyer's job to do rather than the police's job?

(08-26-2018 01:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  To what extent is this all Meyer's job to do rather than the police's job?

You're missing the point. He grossly mishandled the entire situation. He compounded his original mistake by lying about it, then he cemented his actions by not even properly apologizing for it.

(08-26-2018 01:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 10:29 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 07:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 06:04 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 10:41 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The sad thing is there are few schools that would have behaved differently. We should be honest with ourselves on that.

We got rid of Petrino for much less.

You must be new to Arkansas. Petrino got his mistress hired. He was effectively stealing from the university. He should have been thrown in jail, not just fired.

Hiring your mistress isn't stealing and isn't a crime. Nice try though, good to see you rather defend a wife beater than a adulterer.

Hiring your mistress to a made up job is theft.

Meyer didn't beat anyone.

We don't know that Smith beat anyone. He has not been charged with any event of wife beating. He was apparently arrested in 2009 but not charged.


I see you need remedial education. "Innocent until proven guilty."

First off Mr. Remedial, she was his assistant not a made up job dummy. Innocent until proven guilty is for crimes and just because he didn't get charged doesn't mean he didn't do it. How many people associated with big time programs not get charged with crimes when they do wrong?

(08-26-2018 01:48 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 01:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  To what extent is this all Meyer's job to do rather than the police's job?

You're missing the point. He grossly mishandled the entire situation. He compounded his original mistake by lying about it, then he cemented his actions by not even properly apologizing for it.

And what does any of that have to do with how he handled the actual allegations? He is not the pope. We are talking about a disputed action between a man and his wife, not something on the job.

Its clear you wouldn't be satisfied with any apology of his, although obviously he failed in the press conference.

(08-26-2018 10:26 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 01:48 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 01:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  To what extent is this all Meyer's job to do rather than the police's job?

You're missing the point. He grossly mishandled the entire situation. He compounded his original mistake by lying about it, then he cemented his actions by not even properly apologizing for it.

And what does any of that have to do with how he handled the actual allegations? He is not the pope. We are talking about a disputed action between a man and his wife, not something on the job.

Its clear you wouldn't be satisfied with any apology of his, although obviously he failed in the press conference.

If Urban was a head coach for a high school football team? He would have been fired for misleading school officials before he was hired that when he wanted his assistant with a history of arrest records and all that? You do not want coaches like Zach Smith on any campus if it is elementary to college level. Especially with those sex toys being sent to the school.