Abstaining would be my guess. These guys are all in the same job and understand if our guy tells them "I will actually lose my job if I vote "yes"

(08-24-2018 11:08 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Look I'm not saying the conference can't vote on who it wants.

If push comes to shove then A&M can easily be outvoted by the other 13 members. We might even agree to an "abstention" to avoid a no vote for the media

But no A&M president will ever vote yes for UT.

Those that think I'm kidding about an A&M president getting fired for doing so don't understand us but might learn from the VERY short tenure of Dr Elsa Murano who found herself out of a job quickly after angering the alumni and BOR by trying to meddle in the athletic department. It would happen again in a heartbeat.

I think there would be at least two votes against UT membership in the SEC. Be careful what you ask for. One worm ruins the whole bushel of apples.

(08-27-2018 02:54 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(08-24-2018 11:08 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Look I'm not saying the conference can't vote on who it wants.

If push comes to shove then A&M can easily be outvoted by the other 13 members. We might even agree to an "abstention" to avoid a no vote for the media

But no A&M president will ever vote yes for UT.

Those that think I'm kidding about an A&M president getting fired for doing so don't understand us but might learn from the VERY short tenure of Dr Elsa Murano who found herself out of a job quickly after angering the alumni and BOR by trying to meddle in the athletic department. It would happen again in a heartbeat.

I think there would be at least two votes against UT membership in the SEC. Be careful what you ask for. One worm ruins the whole bushel of apples.

Medic there could be 3 votes against and it wouldn't affect the outcome. The SEC's protocol on membership is that we hold a private voice vote among the presidents. At that voice vote the president of A&M and Missouri could speak their "No" vote without violating protocol. But the standing procedure is that all formal votes shall be unanimous with abstentions allowed, but no recorded "No" vote shall be made.

In the informal part of the process if the voice vote was 11-3 by established protocols the worst vote Texas would receive officially would be 11 for, O against, with 3 abstentions. It would require four no votes during the informal voice vote to keep them out and we are dealing with university presidents who would be welcoming a top 40 AAU school into the fold. I can see 1 vote against at the voice vote with a final vote of 13 for and 1 in abstention.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall for that meeting because I don't believe UT is the slam dunk candidate JR does. We get what they bring...but we also know they are Conference killing cancer.

I would be very interested to hear what Arky, LSU and Ole Miss privately have to say about letting them in.

(08-27-2018 03:19 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  I'd love to be a fly on the wall for that meeting because I don't believe UT is the slam dunk candidate JR does. We get what they bring...but we also know they are Conference killing cancer.

I would be very interested to hear what Arky, LSU and Ole Miss privately have to say about letting them in.

I doubt UT ever joins the SEC. It would smash their ego to follow the Aggies into the SEC. They caused most of the relocation issues with rumors of bailing on the conference. OU and Boren tried to back-door the conference while the Mizzou president was in charge of the Big XII expansion committee, and committed to stay. That comment on a Friday by the OU president sealed the deal for Mizzou. They both like to run things for everyone. That said, OU will tow the SEC line if accepted. UT will try to move the SEC HQ to Austin.

If Texas ever gets to the point of contemplating an SEC invitation, let it not be with a "block" of sycophants. That may include TTU and possibly OU/oSu. Don't bring in proven distraction, turmoil, and a new power struggle by packing it with a school's allies;:and no more than two from any state, regardless the size of the state. The ACC and the PAC are impacted by such. Fast money can come with other kinds of costs. One wants an SEC split, having Texas AND friends may do it.
I'll get disagreement, but loading for size can get beyond due diligence rapidly.
Texas with Kansas? 0k, and enough.

(08-27-2018 09:13 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  If Texas ever gets to the point of contemplating an SEC invitation, let it not be with a "block" of sycophants. That may include TTU and possibly OU/oSu. Don't bring in proven distraction, turmoil, and a new power struggle by packing it with a school's allies;:and no more than two from any state, regardless the size of the state. The ACC and the PAC are impacted by such. Fast money can come with other kinds of costs. One wants an SEC split, having Texas AND friends may do it.
I'll get disagreement, but loading for size can get beyond due diligence rapidly.
Texas with Kansas? 0k, and enough.

Texas even with Tech would never control a single SEC vote, ever. I agree that Texas with OU, OSU, and Tech, even for the money would be considerably riskier. I don't see A&M or Missouri throwing in with them. So 2 votes out of 16 in a conference that requires 3/4's to pass and 1/4 plus one to block doesn't give them any influence or power that any other member doesn't also have.

Texas should play Texas AM every year.

The following rivalries' should also be rescheduled too.

Nebraska - Oklahoma
Penn St - Pitt
Pitt - West Virginia

(08-28-2018 11:59 AM)panite Wrote:  Texas should play Texas AM every year.

The following rivalries' should also be rescheduled too.

Nebraska - Oklahoma
Penn St - Pitt
Pitt - West Virginia

Well Oklahoma to the Big 10, WVU to the ACC, and Texas to the SEC would accomplish almost all of that. Pitt / Penn State should be an annual. Kansas / Missouri should be as well.

(08-27-2018 10:22 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 09:13 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  If Texas ever gets to the point of contemplating an SEC invitation, let it not be with a "block" of sycophants. That may include TTU and possibly OU/oSu. Don't bring in proven distraction, turmoil, and a new power struggle by packing it with a school's allies;:and no more than two from any state, regardless the size of the state. The ACC and the PAC are impacted by such. Fast money can come with other kinds of costs. One wants an SEC split, having Texas AND friends may do it.
I'll get disagreement, but loading for size can get beyond due diligence rapidly.
Texas with Kansas? 0k, and enough.

Texas even with Tech would never control a single SEC vote, ever. I agree that Texas with OU, OSU, and Tech, even for the money would be considerably riskier. I don't see A&M or Missouri throwing in with them. So 2 votes out of 16 in a conference that requires 3/4's to pass and 1/4 plus one to block doesn't give them any influence or power that any other member doesn't also have.

A&M and Missouri will never join an alliance like that. They have seen the results first hand. If the SEC expands west, I hope they take two of these three... OU, OSU, or Kansas. I believe KU is an AAU school.

(08-28-2018 06:03 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 10:22 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 09:13 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  If Texas ever gets to the point of contemplating an SEC invitation, let it not be with a "block" of sycophants. That may include TTU and possibly OU/oSu. Don't bring in proven distraction, turmoil, and a new power struggle by packing it with a school's allies;:and no more than two from any state, regardless the size of the state. The ACC and the PAC are impacted by such. Fast money can come with other kinds of costs. One wants an SEC split, having Texas AND friends may do it.
I'll get disagreement, but loading for size can get beyond due diligence rapidly.
Texas with Kansas? 0k, and enough.

Texas even with Tech would never control a single SEC vote, ever. I agree that Texas with OU, OSU, and Tech, even for the money would be considerably riskier. I don't see A&M or Missouri throwing in with them. So 2 votes out of 16 in a conference that requires 3/4's to pass and 1/4 plus one to block doesn't give them any influence or power that any other member doesn't also have.

A&M and Missouri will never join an alliance like that. They have seen the results first hand. If the SEC expands west, I hope they take two of these three... OU, OSU, or Kansas. I believe KU is an AAU school.

They are AAU and a combination of Oklahoma and Kansas would be fine. However, we have the ESPN/LHN question and the Mouse wants to hold onto Texas. Actually outside of having the pair of Oklahoma and Texas the 2nd most profitable pairing would be Texas and Kansas. Oklahoma and Kansas is about 5th in profitability as a pairing. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are the 7th most profitable pairing out of the Big 12. I'm fine with any of them, but if ESPN and FOX get involved then Texas /Kansas or Texas / Texas Tech are more likely.