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RE: Will ESPN still go through with the ACC network in 2019?
(08-20-2018 09:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-20-2018 08:25 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  The SECN and ACCN were both designed to accommodate multiple delivery technologies. So if cable distribution went away tomorrow neither would lose a beat. No one can say whether streaming and other technologies will equal cable revenues. They may make a few less dollars but they will continue to be profitable.
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Yes. Just about anyone can say. The other technologies will yield less $$.

Still may be more than the alternative, but not as much as the captive cable model that is slowly going away.

No one believes that subscription numbers are going to be equal. Generally viewers will pay more for a dedicated network. However, the real unknown is ad rates. With OTA/cable rates are based on estimated viewers. With streaming you know exactly how many viewers are tuned in.
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RE: Will ESPN still go through with the ACC network in 2019?
(08-22-2018 07:58 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(08-22-2018 05:42 PM)Statefan Wrote:  JR - I think the ACCN could get more than $2.00 in North Carolina because it's the only market that is so saturated with conference schools in and around the media markets between UNC, NC State, Duke, WF, Clemson, VT, and UVa it would be a high demand thing, especially in basketball season. Put another way, how much do you think the SECN could gouge the State of Alabama for considering the proximity of TN, UGa, UF, Ole Miss, and MSU in addition to Bama and Auburn?

$2.00? Hahaha. I’ll bet .50 if the PAC gets .11.

The big Duke vs UNC basketball game ain’t gonna be shown on ACCN!!!

The SECN launched in 2014 with $1.40 per subscriber within the SEC footprint and $0.25 outside of the footprint. The P12 Network is clearly a disaster. It lacks ESPN or FOX as a partner in negotiations. As a result, it has not been able to leverage its way onto systems within its footprint. The $0.11 P12 Network average reflects a high percentage of out of footprint subscribers.
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RE: Will ESPN still go through with the ACC network in 2019?
Don't see the value of the ACCN. I get all the games already through botb DTV and SLING.
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RE: Will ESPN still go through with the ACC network in 2019?
(08-23-2018 09:35 AM)westwolf Wrote:  Don't see the value of the ACCN. I get all the games already through botb DTV and SLING.

I don't see the value in any conference (or Longhorn) network aside from it being a welfare payment to some conferences. None of the best matchups are on the conference networks, and all that's really left are feature pieces that few truly care about unless they are big time fans of non-revenue sports.
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RE: Will ESPN still go through with the ACC network in 2019?
(08-23-2018 10:13 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(08-23-2018 09:35 AM)westwolf Wrote:  Don't see the value of the ACCN. I get all the games already through botb DTV and SLING.

I don't see the value in any conference (or Longhorn) network aside from it being a welfare payment to some conferences. None of the best matchups are on the conference networks, and all that's really left are feature pieces that few truly care about unless they are big time fans of non-revenue sports.

The BTN has had some good matchups the past two years, enough so that it has frustrated me that I don't get it.

Payments to conferences aren't welfare, the pay comes from subscribers.
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RE: Will ESPN still go through with the ACC network in 2019?
(08-23-2018 10:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-23-2018 10:13 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(08-23-2018 09:35 AM)westwolf Wrote:  Don't see the value of the ACCN. I get all the games already through botb DTV and SLING.

I don't see the value in any conference (or Longhorn) network aside from it being a welfare payment to some conferences. None of the best matchups are on the conference networks, and all that's really left are feature pieces that few truly care about unless they are big time fans of non-revenue sports.

The BTN has had some good matchups the past two years, enough so that it has frustrated me that I don't get it.

Payments to conferences aren't welfare, the pay comes from subscribers.

It is if BTN is rolled into basic cable and you either take that or don't get the cable in the first place. Considering the dominant delivery system for high speed internet is via the cable companies...it's paying for something you don't want. I get that there are a number of channels like this - with ESPN being the biggie. One thing about BTN is that if you are in a "Big Ten Market", you are paying over a buck a month. However, outside of the market the cost is only a fraction of that.
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Will ESPN still go through with the ACC network in 2019?
These networks all do great in football, good in basketball, and suck the other 6 months. I just don’t see any of them thriving long term with poor programming for 6 months.


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RE: Will ESPN still go through with the ACC network in 2019?
(08-23-2018 10:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-23-2018 10:13 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(08-23-2018 09:35 AM)westwolf Wrote:  Don't see the value of the ACCN. I get all the games already through botb DTV and SLING.

I don't see the value in any conference (or Longhorn) network aside from it being a welfare payment to some conferences. None of the best matchups are on the conference networks, and all that's really left are feature pieces that few truly care about unless they are big time fans of non-revenue sports.

The BTN has had some good matchups the past two years, enough so that it has frustrated me that I don't get it.

Payments to conferences aren't welfare, the pay comes from subscribers.

Actually, there are people (me) who have paid for conference tv networks without wanting to or even knowing they did simply because they bought a sports package to get a channel like CBS-SN to watch their team play. Almost all Army, Navy, and MWC games are on CBS-SN as well as a lot of AAC games which means many people who buy that are also buying a conference tv network.
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RE: Will ESPN still go through with the ACC network in 2019?
(08-23-2018 04:12 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(08-23-2018 10:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-23-2018 10:13 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(08-23-2018 09:35 AM)westwolf Wrote:  Don't see the value of the ACCN. I get all the games already through botb DTV and SLING.

I don't see the value in any conference (or Longhorn) network aside from it being a welfare payment to some conferences. None of the best matchups are on the conference networks, and all that's really left are feature pieces that few truly care about unless they are big time fans of non-revenue sports.

The BTN has had some good matchups the past two years, enough so that it has frustrated me that I don't get it.

Payments to conferences aren't welfare, the pay comes from subscribers.

Actually, there are people (me) who have paid for conference tv networks without wanting to or even knowing they did simply because they bought a sports package to get a channel like CBS-SN to watch their team play. Almost all Army, Navy, and MWC games are on CBS-SN as well as a lot of AAC games which means many people who buy that are also buying a conference tv network.

Well that falls into the following categories:

1. People who buy products from corporations which use profits in part to influence political candidates not to the consumer's liking.

2. People who donate to religious entities and charities who don't distribute the funds in a manner the givers were led to believe they would be distributed or in amounts they were led to believe would be distributed.

3. People who buy sausage and then complain about what is in it.

4. People who buy clothing without realizing they are supporting child labor abroad.

5. People who drink sports drinks without reading the quantities of sodium involved.

6. People who get married without really checking out their potential spouse.

7. Anyone who votes for a Democrat or Republican expecting them to act on behalf of their constituents.

8. Purchasing stock without knowing what the company they are supporting actually does with your investment.

9. People who believe their student athletes love their alma mater and aren't just hire guns.

10. Anyone who believes anything that comes out of the mouth of a coach who is paid 5 to 7 million a year.

So even though this list could go on forever, if you purchase a tier to get something you want, the same applies when it comes to putting your trust or money into something where you have no control over how it is utilized, or where it supports something you don't believe in or abhor.

So my basic advice is trust but verify your spouse. Understand your children will eventually lie about something. And keep your money in your pocket if you don't want unintended consequences. Never fully trust those who have access to authority and power. And always ask yourself if knowing all the facts about everything is actually a good thing for your well being.

In my experiences a large part of happiness is ignorance. Most of the really smart people in this world would likely be categorized as paranoid. I once moved on from a job I had held for almost 20 years. The first 5 years I spent getting proficient at my job. The next 5 years I spent trying to grow my knowledge base of the internal functions of that industry so that promotion would be likely. The next 5 years I enjoyed my new position and tried to become proficient in performing my responsibilities there. Then I learned what they were really up to, what their outlook was about their employees below their pay grade, and I spent my last years trying to find a way out. When I left, and someone asked me why, the only answer I could give was, "I knew too much."

So Billybobby if you enjoy the Sausage, don't ask how it was made and what was ground up to make it. And what's true of sausage is true of everything else in life! So you can be wise, or you can be happy. Which will it be? I'd say enjoy CBS-SN.
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(08-23-2018 10:38 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(08-23-2018 10:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-23-2018 10:13 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(08-23-2018 09:35 AM)westwolf Wrote:  Don't see the value of the ACCN. I get all the games already through botb DTV and SLING.

I don't see the value in any conference (or Longhorn) network aside from it being a welfare payment to some conferences. None of the best matchups are on the conference networks, and all that's really left are feature pieces that few truly care about unless they are big time fans of non-revenue sports.

The BTN has had some good matchups the past two years, enough so that it has frustrated me that I don't get it.

Payments to conferences aren't welfare, the pay comes from subscribers.

It is if BTN is rolled into basic cable and you either take that or don't get the cable in the first place. Considering the dominant delivery system for high speed internet is via the cable companies...it's paying for something you don't want. I get that there are a number of channels like this - with ESPN being the biggie. One thing about BTN is that if you are in a "Big Ten Market", you are paying over a buck a month. However, outside of the market the cost is only a fraction of that.

Fair point. 07-coffee3
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RE: Will ESPN still go through with the ACC network in 2019?
(08-23-2018 05:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-23-2018 04:12 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(08-23-2018 10:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-23-2018 10:13 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(08-23-2018 09:35 AM)westwolf Wrote:  Don't see the value of the ACCN. I get all the games already through botb DTV and SLING.

I don't see the value in any conference (or Longhorn) network aside from it being a welfare payment to some conferences. None of the best matchups are on the conference networks, and all that's really left are feature pieces that few truly care about unless they are big time fans of non-revenue sports.

The BTN has had some good matchups the past two years, enough so that it has frustrated me that I don't get it.

Payments to conferences aren't welfare, the pay comes from subscribers.

Actually, there are people (me) who have paid for conference tv networks without wanting to or even knowing they did simply because they bought a sports package to get a channel like CBS-SN to watch their team play. Almost all Army, Navy, and MWC games are on CBS-SN as well as a lot of AAC games which means many people who buy that are also buying a conference tv network.

Well that falls into the following categories:

1. People who buy products from corporations which use profits in part to influence political candidates not to the consumer's liking.

2. People who donate to religious entities and charities who don't distribute the funds in a manner the givers were led to believe they would be distributed or in amounts they were led to believe would be distributed.

3. People who buy sausage and then complain about what is in it.

4. People who buy clothing without realizing they are supporting child labor abroad.

5. People who drink sports drinks without reading the quantities of sodium involved.

6. People who get married without really checking out their potential spouse.

7. Anyone who votes for a Democrat or Republican expecting them to act on behalf of their constituents.

8. Purchasing stock without knowing what the company they are supporting actually does with your investment.

9. People who believe their student athletes love their alma mater and aren't just hire guns.

10. Anyone who believes anything that comes out of the mouth of a coach who is paid 5 to 7 million a year.

So even though this list could go on forever, if you purchase a tier to get something you want, the same applies when it comes to putting your trust or money into something where you have no control over how it is utilized, or where it supports something you don't believe in or abhor.

So my basic advice is trust but verify your spouse. Understand your children will eventually lie about something. And keep your money in your pocket if you don't want unintended consequences. Never fully trust those who have access to authority and power. And always ask yourself if knowing all the facts about everything is actually a good thing for your well being.

In my experiences a large part of happiness is ignorance. Most of the really smart people in this world would likely be categorized as paranoid. I once moved on from a job I had held for almost 20 years. The first 5 years I spent getting proficient at my job. The next 5 years I spent trying to grow my knowledge base of the internal functions of that industry so that promotion would be likely. The next 5 years I enjoyed my new position and tried to become proficient in performing my responsibilities there. Then I learned what they were really up to, what their outlook was about their employees below their pay grade, and I spent my last years trying to find a way out. When I left, and someone asked me why, the only answer I could give was, "I knew too much."

So Billybobby if you enjoy the Sausage, don't ask how it was made and what was ground up to make it. And what's true of sausage is true of everything else in life! So you can be wise, or you can be happy. Which will it be? I'd say enjoy CBS-SN.

Awesome post, however, not really relevant to what I said at all. Good luck to the ACCN. Can’t wait to watch UNC vs Duke on ACCN er ESPN.
I love your point 7 the best; ain’t that the truth!... I can’t stand politicians. Absolute scumbags.
+3 for you simply writing point #7 brah!
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