(08-20-2018 10:02 AM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 08:08 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  My take (I split teams into groupings but won't rank them within the groupings):

Tier I: FAU/LaTech/Marshall
Tier II: FIU/MTSU/UAB/UNT/USM
Tier III: ODU/UTSA/WKU
Tier IV: Charlotte/Rice/UTEP

Tier explanations:
Tier I - Most likely winners of the conference.
Tier II - may surprise and beat a team from Tier I but are not very likely to win their division
Tier III - Will have to fight just to get into a bowl game
Tier IV - won't compete this year

How exactly would USM beating La Tech and Marshall be a surprise? We play both at home. Not to mentioned we beat both teams last year on the road.

If it makes you feel any better, I will support your team against Marshall.

(08-20-2018 10:27 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 10:02 AM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 08:08 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  My take (I split teams into groupings but won't rank them within the groupings):

Tier I: FAU/LaTech/Marshall
Tier II: FIU/MTSU/UAB/UNT/USM
Tier III: ODU/UTSA/WKU
Tier IV: Charlotte/Rice/UTEP

Tier explanations:
Tier I - Most likely winners of the conference.
Tier II - may surprise and beat a team from Tier I but are not very likely to win their division
Tier III - Will have to fight just to get into a bowl game
Tier IV - won't compete this year

How exactly would USM beating La Tech and Marshall be a surprise? We play both at home. Not to mentioned we beat both teams last year on the road.

If it makes you feel any better, I will support your team against Marshall.

So nice of you to be a USM athletic supporter.

(08-20-2018 10:02 AM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 08:08 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  My take (I split teams into groupings but won't rank them within the groupings):

Tier I: FAU/LaTech/Marshall
Tier II: FIU/MTSU/UAB/UNT/USM
Tier III: ODU/UTSA/WKU
Tier IV: Charlotte/Rice/UTEP

Tier explanations:
Tier I - Most likely winners of the conference.
Tier II - may surprise and beat a team from Tier I but are not very likely to win their division
Tier III - Will have to fight just to get into a bowl game
Tier IV - won't compete this year

How exactly would USM beating La Tech and Marshall be a surprise? We play both at home. Not to mentioned we beat both teams last year on the road.

I don't think it would be a surprise to beat them both. The surprise would be us being consistent enough to win our division.

(08-20-2018 10:02 AM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 08:08 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  My take (I split teams into groupings but won't rank them within the groupings):

Tier I: FAU/LaTech/Marshall
Tier II: FIU/MTSU/UAB/UNT/USM
Tier III: ODU/UTSA/WKU
Tier IV: Charlotte/Rice/UTEP

Tier explanations:
Tier I - Most likely winners of the conference.
Tier II - may surprise and beat a team from Tier I but are not very likely to win their division
Tier III - Will have to fight just to get into a bowl game
Tier IV - won't compete this year

How exactly would USM beating La Tech and Marshall be a surprise? We play both at home. Not to mentioned we beat both teams last year on the road.

You have a point, since it was stated 'based off last year' earlier in this thread.

While I don't think WKU will be back to its 2015/2016 level, I do think they will be better this year. I have no info to base that on other than they are recruiting pretty good and its 2nd year for HC.

(08-20-2018 10:27 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 10:02 AM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 08:08 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  My take (I split teams into groupings but won't rank them within the groupings):

Tier I: FAU/LaTech/Marshall
Tier II: FIU/MTSU/UAB/UNT/USM
Tier III: ODU/UTSA/WKU
Tier IV: Charlotte/Rice/UTEP

Tier explanations:
Tier I - Most likely winners of the conference.
Tier II - may surprise and beat a team from Tier I but are not very likely to win their division
Tier III - Will have to fight just to get into a bowl game
Tier IV - won't compete this year

How exactly would USM beating La Tech and Marshall be a surprise? We play both at home. Not to mentioned we beat both teams last year on the road.

If it makes you feel any better, I will support your team against Marshall.

Not to mention...since USM/La Tech restarted the series (in '10) we're 5-2. Their only 2 wins coming during Todd Monken's Elloss Johnson clean-up years in '13 and '14 when we went 1-11 and 3-9.

Since Marshall joined CUSA our record vs them is 7-6.

(08-20-2018 02:35 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(08-19-2018 11:49 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  UNT did itself no favors by being destroyed on national TV for the CUSA championship and their bowl game against a Sunbelt school.

UNT caught some breaks, won a bunch close games in the regular season and then were exposed on National TV

Interesting how some try to discredit UNT's season last year at every turn. Yeah, their defense sucked, but their offense was strong enough to compensate and carry them. They won the division last year in finishing 9-5 (7-1), against a schedule where 10 of their 14 games were against teams with winning records, and 9 opponents were bowl teams. And yet all that some (even in our fan base) can say about it is how many close games they won and that they "caught some breaks". Most of those characterizing UNT's wins that way wouldn't say the same about their own school's close wins.

And yes, the games they lost were blowouts, but remember that UNT was 1-11 only two years ago. You can't fix everything in going from 1-11 to 9-5 in only 2 seasons, and the good teams will definitely find ways to exploit the weaknesses. I wish they hadn't lost to Troy like they did, but Troy is also a team you probably don't give enough credit to, just because of their conference affiliation. They've won 21 games over the last 2 seasons, beat LSU at LSU this past year, and lost to national champion Clemson by only 30-24 the year before. They're also 2-0 against C-USA during that time frame, beating USM and UNT. Incidentally, LA Tech is 1-3 against USM and UNT during that window; just sayin'.

North Texas has leap-frogged everyone in C-USA except FAU in only two years. And with the new indoor practice facility being constructed, their coach getting a contract extension, their stadium getting new turf, and the fact that they currently also have the highest rated recruiting class in C-USA for 2019, it might be tough putting a stop to their momentum.

https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Footba...ence=C-USA

Agreed. UNT is having a great recruiting class so far.

Official rankings

(08-20-2018 12:11 PM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 10:27 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 10:02 AM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 08:08 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  My take (I split teams into groupings but won't rank them within the groupings):

Tier I: FAU/LaTech/Marshall
Tier II: FIU/MTSU/UAB/UNT/USM
Tier III: ODU/UTSA/WKU
Tier IV: Charlotte/Rice/UTEP

Tier explanations:
Tier I - Most likely winners of the conference.
Tier II - may surprise and beat a team from Tier I but are not very likely to win their division
Tier III - Will have to fight just to get into a bowl game
Tier IV - won't compete this year

How exactly would USM beating La Tech and Marshall be a surprise? We play both at home. Not to mentioned we beat both teams last year on the road.

If it makes you feel any better, I will support your team against Marshall.

Not to mention...since USM/La Tech restarted the series (in '10) we're 5-2. Their only 2 wins coming during Todd Monken's Elloss Johnson clean-up years in '13 and '14 when we went 1-11 and 3-9.

Since Marshall joined CUSA our record vs them is 7-6.

Why does it matter how you did against these schools historically?

(08-20-2018 12:33 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 12:11 PM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 10:27 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 10:02 AM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 08:08 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  My take (I split teams into groupings but won't rank them within the groupings):

Tier I: FAU/LaTech/Marshall
Tier II: FIU/MTSU/UAB/UNT/USM
Tier III: ODU/UTSA/WKU
Tier IV: Charlotte/Rice/UTEP

Tier explanations:
Tier I - Most likely winners of the conference.
Tier II - may surprise and beat a team from Tier I but are not very likely to win their division
Tier III - Will have to fight just to get into a bowl game
Tier IV - won't compete this year

How exactly would USM beating La Tech and Marshall be a surprise? We play both at home. Not to mentioned we beat both teams last year on the road.

If it makes you feel any better, I will support your team against Marshall.

Not to mention...since USM/La Tech restarted the series (in '10) we're 5-2. Their only 2 wins coming during Todd Monken's Elloss Johnson clean-up years in '13 and '14 when we went 1-11 and 3-9.

Since Marshall joined CUSA our record vs them is 7-6.

Why does it matter how you did against these schools historically?

Obviously I don't weight historical records as the highest metric for predicting outcomes....but if a team consistently beats a team year in and year out and they do it again, why would that be of surprise to you or anyone? Look, there's 3 things certain in this universe...death, taxes, and a La Tech loss to USM

(08-20-2018 12:50 PM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 12:33 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 12:11 PM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 10:27 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 10:02 AM)TTT Wrote:  How exactly would USM beating La Tech and Marshall be a surprise? We play both at home. Not to mentioned we beat both teams last year on the road.

If it makes you feel any better, I will support your team against Marshall.

Not to mention...since USM/La Tech restarted the series (in '10) we're 5-2. Their only 2 wins coming during Todd Monken's Elloss Johnson clean-up years in '13 and '14 when we went 1-11 and 3-9.

Since Marshall joined CUSA our record vs them is 7-6.

Why does it matter how you did against these schools historically?

Obviously I don't weight historical records as the highest metric for predicting outcomes....but if a team consistently beats a team year in and year out and they do it again, why would that be of surprise to you or anyone? Look, there's 3 things certain in this universe...death, taxes, and a La Tech loss to USM

It seems that if we are the underdog in that game, we win. We'll be the underdog this year. Typical Southern Miss. Win a game when we expected to lose by 2 TDs and lose a game when we expected to win by 4 TDs.

(08-20-2018 12:50 PM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 12:33 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 12:11 PM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 10:27 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 10:02 AM)TTT Wrote:  How exactly would USM beating La Tech and Marshall be a surprise? We play both at home. Not to mentioned we beat both teams last year on the road.

If it makes you feel any better, I will support your team against Marshall.

Not to mention...since USM/La Tech restarted the series (in '10) we're 5-2. Their only 2 wins coming during Todd Monken's Elloss Johnson clean-up years in '13 and '14 when we went 1-11 and 3-9.

Since Marshall joined CUSA our record vs them is 7-6.

Why does it matter how you did against these schools historically?

Obviously I don't weight historical records as the highest metric for predicting outcomes....but if a team consistently beats a team year in and year out and they do it again, why would that be of surprise to you or anyone? Look, there's 3 things certain in this universe...death, taxes, and a La Tech loss to USM

Dammit I wish that weren't true. We have to find a way out of this cycle.

(08-20-2018 01:54 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 12:50 PM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 12:33 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 12:11 PM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 10:27 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  If it makes you feel any better, I will support your team against Marshall.

Not to mention...since USM/La Tech restarted the series (in '10) we're 5-2. Their only 2 wins coming during Todd Monken's Elloss Johnson clean-up years in '13 and '14 when we went 1-11 and 3-9.

Since Marshall joined CUSA our record vs them is 7-6.

Why does it matter how you did against these schools historically?

Obviously I don't weight historical records as the highest metric for predicting outcomes....but if a team consistently beats a team year in and year out and they do it again, why would that be of surprise to you or anyone? Look, there's 3 things certain in this universe...death, taxes, and a La Tech loss to USM

It seems that if we are the underdog in that game, we win. We'll be the underdog this year. Typical Southern Miss. Win a game when we expected to lose by 2 TDs and lose a game when we expected to win by 4 TDs.

Tech has been favored every year against USM. One year by 10+, and it was a blow out

In fact last year with 1:28 left in the 4th, the ESPN app had Tech 99.8% probablilty to win.

Tech's motto snatching defeat from the jaws of victory

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(08-20-2018 02:57 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 01:54 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 12:50 PM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 12:33 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 12:11 PM)TTT Wrote:  Not to mention...since USM/La Tech restarted the series (in '10) we're 5-2. Their only 2 wins coming during Todd Monken's Elloss Johnson clean-up years in '13 and '14 when we went 1-11 and 3-9.

Since Marshall joined CUSA our record vs them is 7-6.

Why does it matter how you did against these schools historically?

Obviously I don't weight historical records as the highest metric for predicting outcomes....but if a team consistently beats a team year in and year out and they do it again, why would that be of surprise to you or anyone? Look, there's 3 things certain in this universe...death, taxes, and a La Tech loss to USM

It seems that if we are the underdog in that game, we win. We'll be the underdog this year. Typical Southern Miss. Win a game when we expected to lose by 2 TDs and lose a game when we expected to win by 4 TDs.

Tech has been favored every year against USM. One year by 10+, and it was a blow out

In fact last year with 1:28 left in the 4th, the ESPN app had Tech 99.8% probablilty to win.

Tech's motto snatching defeat from the jaws of victory

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Last year’s was just BS. Screw job by the players on that on-side kick.

(08-20-2018 02:57 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 01:54 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 12:50 PM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 12:33 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 12:11 PM)TTT Wrote:  Not to mention...since USM/La Tech restarted the series (in '10) we're 5-2. Their only 2 wins coming during Todd Monken's Elloss Johnson clean-up years in '13 and '14 when we went 1-11 and 3-9.

Since Marshall joined CUSA our record vs them is 7-6.

Why does it matter how you did against these schools historically?

Obviously I don't weight historical records as the highest metric for predicting outcomes....but if a team consistently beats a team year in and year out and they do it again, why would that be of surprise to you or anyone? Look, there's 3 things certain in this universe...death, taxes, and a La Tech loss to USM

It seems that if we are the underdog in that game, we win. We'll be the underdog this year. Typical Southern Miss. Win a game when we expected to lose by 2 TDs and lose a game when we expected to win by 4 TDs.

Tech has been favored every year against USM. One year by 10+, and it was a blow out

In fact last year with 1:28 left in the 4th, the ESPN app had Tech 99.8% probablilty to win.

Tech's motto snatching defeat from the jaws of victory

[img][/img]

Ha! I remember that. We had the same kind of series with ECU. A lot of years they had a better team, but we always beat them. Y'all should be favored this year.

(08-20-2018 11:19 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  While I don't think WKU will be back to its 2015/2016 level, I do think they will be better this year. I have no info to base that on other than they are recruiting pretty good and its 2nd year for HC.

They lost Mike White. I don't see how they could be better.

(08-20-2018 02:35 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(08-19-2018 11:49 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  UNT did itself no favors by being destroyed on national TV for the CUSA championship and their bowl game against a Sunbelt school.

UNT caught some breaks, won a bunch close games in the regular season and then were exposed on National TV

Interesting how some try to discredit UNT's season last year at every turn. Yeah, their defense sucked, but their offense was strong enough to compensate and carry them. They won the division last year in finishing 9-5 (7-1), against a schedule where 10 of their 14 games were against teams with winning records, and 9 opponents were bowl teams. And yet all that some (even in our fan base) can say about it is how many close games they won and that they "caught some breaks". Most of those characterizing UNT's wins that way wouldn't say the same about their own school's close wins.

And yes, the games they lost were blowouts, but remember that UNT was 1-11 only two years ago. You can't fix everything in going from 1-11 to 9-5 in only 2 seasons, and the good teams will definitely find ways to exploit the weaknesses. I wish they hadn't lost to Troy like they did, but Troy is also a team you probably don't give enough credit to, just because of their conference affiliation. They've won 21 games over the last 2 seasons, beat LSU at LSU this past year, and lost to national champion Clemson by only 30-24 the year before. They're also 2-0 against C-USA during that time frame, beating USM and UNT. Incidentally, LA Tech is 1-3 against USM and UNT during that window; just sayin'.

North Texas has leap-frogged everyone in C-USA except FAU in only two years. And with the new indoor practice facility being constructed, their coach getting a contract extension, their stadium getting new turf, and the fact that they currently also have the highest rated recruiting class in C-USA for 2019, it might be tough putting a stop to their momentum.

https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Footba...ence=C-USA

You are very kind with your appraisal of UNT. I wouldn't say North Texas has leapfrogged all but FAU, but I agree we have made great strides in our 2 season under new management. Thanks for being one of the really good fans on this board, and I hope you don't catch too much grief from some of your fellow UTSA fans.

(08-20-2018 09:05 AM)AustinFromUNT Wrote:  

(08-19-2018 11:49 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  UNT did itself no favors by being destroyed on national TV for the CUSA championship and their bowl game against a Sunbelt school.

UNT caught some breaks, won a bunch close games in the regular season and then were exposed on National TV

You do realize that Troy beat LSU & would have likely beat you by more than 20 right?

Surely you are not talking about the same Troy team that lost to South Alabama at home 19-8? The week before Tech beat South Alabama 34-16

But Troy beat North Texas down like they were a top 10 SEC Champ squad so I can see how you have overinflated clueless perspective

(08-20-2018 10:57 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 09:05 AM)AustinFromUNT Wrote:  

(08-19-2018 11:49 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  UNT did itself no favors by being destroyed on national TV for the CUSA championship and their bowl game against a Sunbelt school.

UNT caught some breaks, won a bunch close games in the regular season and then were exposed on National TV

You do realize that Troy beat LSU & would have likely beat you by more than 20 right?

Surely you are not talking about the same Troy team that lost to South Alabama at home 19-8? The week before Tech beat South Alabama 34-16

But Troy beat North Texas down like they were a top 10 SEC Champ squad so I can see how you have overinflated clueless perspective

I’m book marking this thread so that when LSU destroys you, then you lose to us the next week I can come laugh at you. BTW UNT currently has the win streak against Tech. +1 baby

I don't know why we're even discussing this. LaTech has clearly already won the natty, J'Mar Smith won the Heisman, and Skip Holtz has been picked as Saban's replacement. It's as clear as day y'all