(08-20-2018 10:58 AM)YNot Wrote:  To beat one of the P5 (likely the PAC), you need at least one team in the top-10 and four teams in the top-25.

To finish in the top-4 of conferences, you likely need two teams in the top-10 and at least 5 teams in the top-25.

The entire conference wouldn't have to go undefeated in the OOC, but four of your best teams would need to go undefeated in OOC and you would also need a couple other big OOC wins.

This year provides a decent opportunity to make some noise as a conference. But, the top teams of the conference would each need to win a couple of big OOC games.

I disagree. The 4 teams that go undefeated will have their schedules knocked if the rest of the conference goes 20% against the cartel.

(08-20-2018 10:58 AM)YNot Wrote:  To beat one of the P5 (likely the PAC), you need at least one team in the top-10 and four teams in the top-25.

To finish in the top-4 of conferences, you likely need two teams in the top-10 and at least 5 teams in the top-25.

The entire conference wouldn't have to go undefeated in the OOC, but four of your best teams would need to go undefeated in OOC and you would also need a couple other big OOC wins.

This year provides a decent opportunity to make some noise as a conference. But, the top teams of the conference would each need to win a couple of big OOC games.

Not the PAC, the ACC. They are the weak link of the cartel. ESPN pushes them and lies to make them look better, but they are the weak link of the cartel. (ESPN owns 100% of every single ACC game in every sport until at least 2036 so they of course use propaganda to push their property, the only cartel league they fully own)

(08-20-2018 05:12 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 10:58 AM)YNot Wrote:  To beat one of the P5 (likely the PAC), you need at least one team in the top-10 and four teams in the top-25.

To finish in the top-4 of conferences, you likely need two teams in the top-10 and at least 5 teams in the top-25.

The entire conference wouldn't have to go undefeated in the OOC, but four of your best teams would need to go undefeated in OOC and you would also need a couple other big OOC wins.

This year provides a decent opportunity to make some noise as a conference. But, the top teams of the conference would each need to win a couple of big OOC games.

I disagree. The 4 teams that go undefeated will have their schedules knocked if the rest of the conference goes 20% against the cartel.

This is where the conference (and it's fans) have to get more knowledgeable and proactive

If you look at the lower level teams from ANY P5 conference, their winning percentage against P5 competition is pretty bad.

Here is another thing to consider. When P5 teams play other P5 teams OOC, the absolute best winning percentage is 50%...one P5 team wins and one P5 team loses.

So, let's say the AAC has an overall winning percentage of 40% vs the P5...that's not bad...especially considering that we have so many disadvantages (recruiting, resources, etc) compared to the P5.

we have a legit chance in basketball once Memphis and uconn get better. But its basically impossible in football. No matter what we do the cfp committee will knock our conference. we just have to gain the public's respect over time. then they will ***** at the committee and we will begin to see a change in the way the aac is treated when it comes to football. But that will probably take a while lol.

(08-20-2018 06:34 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  we have a legit chance in basketball once Memphis and uconn get better. But its basically impossible in football. No matter what we do the cfp committee will knock our conference. we just have to gain the public's respect over time. then they will ***** at the committee and we will begin to see a change in the way the aac is treated when it comes to football. But that will probably take a while lol.

That's okay. I've got a while (hopefully....).

(08-20-2018 06:16 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 05:12 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 10:58 AM)YNot Wrote:  To beat one of the P5 (likely the PAC), you need at least one team in the top-10 and four teams in the top-25.

To finish in the top-4 of conferences, you likely need two teams in the top-10 and at least 5 teams in the top-25.

The entire conference wouldn't have to go undefeated in the OOC, but four of your best teams would need to go undefeated in OOC and you would also need a couple other big OOC wins.

This year provides a decent opportunity to make some noise as a conference. But, the top teams of the conference would each need to win a couple of big OOC games.

I disagree. The 4 teams that go undefeated will have their schedules knocked if the rest of the conference goes 20% against the cartel.

This is where the conference (and it's fans) have to get more knowledgeable and proactive

If you look at the lower level teams from ANY P5 conference, their winning percentage against P5 competition is pretty bad.

Here is another thing to consider. When P5 teams play other P5 teams OOC, the absolute best winning percentage is 50%...one P5 team wins and one P5 team loses.

So, let's say the AAC has an overall winning percentage of 40% vs the P5...that's not bad...especially considering that we have so many disadvantages (recruiting, resources, etc) compared to the P5.

Not sure I follow. Yes one P5 team wins and one loses, but they might be from different conferences. SEC might have a 60% win percentage against the other P5, and the B12 might be 51%.

Either way, even assuming all the P5 conferences are close to 50% against the others, how would the AAC being 40% make us the 4th best conference? Seems like it would make us the 6th.

Also, I'm not sure that percentage has been as high as 40% in any of the past 5 years.

(08-20-2018 06:04 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 10:58 AM)YNot Wrote:  To beat one of the P5 (likely the PAC), you need at least one team in the top-10 and four teams in the top-25.

To finish in the top-4 of conferences, you likely need two teams in the top-10 and at least 5 teams in the top-25.

The entire conference wouldn't have to go undefeated in the OOC, but four of your best teams would need to go undefeated in OOC and you would also need a couple other big OOC wins.

This year provides a decent opportunity to make some noise as a conference. But, the top teams of the conference would each need to win a couple of big OOC games.

Not the PAC, the ACC. They are the weak link of the cartel. ESPN pushes them and lies to make them look better, but they are the weak link of the cartel. (ESPN owns 100% of every single ACC game in every sport until at least 2036 so they of course use propaganda to push their property, the only cartel league they fully own)

Y'know, I get it -- ECU fans have a hardon for the ACC because the tobacco road elite have mistreated the East for millennia. But you do yourself a disservice when you let your anger make you say wrong things.
By Massey Composite:
2017 ACC #1, PAC#5
2016 ACC#2, PAC #3
Three years before that, yes, ACC #5, PAC #2. I don't have the time or inclination to do five year averages for all five conferences. But there is no way that the conference that has been 1-2 the last two years is the weak link.

(08-21-2018 09:29 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 06:04 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 10:58 AM)YNot Wrote:  To beat one of the P5 (likely the PAC), you need at least one team in the top-10 and four teams in the top-25.

To finish in the top-4 of conferences, you likely need two teams in the top-10 and at least 5 teams in the top-25.

The entire conference wouldn't have to go undefeated in the OOC, but four of your best teams would need to go undefeated in OOC and you would also need a couple other big OOC wins.

This year provides a decent opportunity to make some noise as a conference. But, the top teams of the conference would each need to win a couple of big OOC games.

Not the PAC, the ACC. They are the weak link of the cartel. ESPN pushes them and lies to make them look better, but they are the weak link of the cartel. (ESPN owns 100% of every single ACC game in every sport until at least 2036 so they of course use propaganda to push their property, the only cartel league they fully own)

Y'know, I get it -- ECU fans have a hardon for the ACC because the tobacco road elite have mistreated the East for millennia. But you do yourself a disservice when you let your anger make you say wrong things.
By Massey Composite:
2017 ACC #1, PAC#5
2016 ACC#2, PAC #3
Three years before that, yes, ACC #5, PAC #2. I don't have the time or inclination to do five year averages for all five conferences. But there is no way that the conference that has been 1-2 the last two years is the weak link.

I would be interested to see a top to bottom assessment of those conferences. Just an eye test on my part, but if you chop the top 1-2 teams off all 5 conferences, I feel like ACC has got to be #4 or #5.

I don't think it's impossible to be top 4 league in football. Tulane has a real shot to beat WF and this season started off right. Not sure Cincy beat UCLA on the road, but really good chance at a 1 loss opening weekend.

(08-26-2018 10:38 AM)oasispirate Wrote:  I don't think it's impossible to be top 4 league in football. Tulane has a real shot to beat WF and this season started off right. Not sure Cincy beat UCLA on the road, but really good chance at a 1 loss opening weekend.

I don't know but i'm very bullish on Cincy against UCLA. FICKELL HAS RECRUITED EXCEPTIONALLY WELL and his system is now in place vs a well recruited p5 team that still in the process of learning how to play in a new scheme. Cincy has to play tough solid football and capitalize on the the mistakes that will happen in game one of a new regime. Cincy goal should be to come out and hit UCLA in the nose and disrupt their game plan and make their players unsure.

(08-26-2018 11:42 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 10:38 AM)oasispirate Wrote:  I don't think it's impossible to be top 4 league in football. Tulane has a real shot to beat WF and this season started off right. Not sure Cincy beat UCLA on the road, but really good chance at a 1 loss opening weekend.

I don't know but i'm very bullish on Cincy against UCLA. FICKELL HAS RECRUITED EXCEPTIONALLY WELL and his system is now in place vs a well recruited p5 team that still in the process of learning how to play in a new scheme. Cincy has to play tough solid football and capitalize on the the mistakes that will happen in game one of a new regime. Cincy goal should be to come out and hit UCLA in the nose and disrupt their game plan and make their players unsure.

Well if that happens, good chance to open the weekend undefeated. I think USF, UCF, and Memphis will go undefeated out of conference. Houston has a shot to do it too.

(08-26-2018 12:10 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 11:42 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 10:38 AM)oasispirate Wrote:  I don't think it's impossible to be top 4 league in football. Tulane has a real shot to beat WF and this season started off right. Not sure Cincy beat UCLA on the road, but really good chance at a 1 loss opening weekend.

I don't know but i'm very bullish on Cincy against UCLA. FICKELL HAS RECRUITED EXCEPTIONALLY WELL and his system is now in place vs a well recruited p5 team that still in the process of learning how to play in a new scheme. Cincy has to play tough solid football and capitalize on the the mistakes that will happen in game one of a new regime. Cincy goal should be to come out and hit UCLA in the nose and disrupt their game plan and make their players unsure.

Well if that happens, good chance to open the weekend undefeated. I think USF, UCF, and Memphis will go undefeated out of conference. Houston has a shot to do it too.

I'm gonna guarantee we lose at least 1 game...

The exceptional class is a bunch of freshman. I just want UC to make it a game.

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(08-26-2018 01:41 PM)mlb Wrote:  The exceptional class is a bunch of freshman. I just want UC to make it a game.

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Cincy by 3. Book it, this is my week 1 upset of the day. Cincy has been unlucky against the p5 the past. This game is where Fickell turns the tide. On a side note every great coaching hire in the brief history of the AAC has overachieved by the 2nd season. Go Bearcats.

(08-21-2018 09:47 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 09:29 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 06:04 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 10:58 AM)YNot Wrote:  To beat one of the P5 (likely the PAC), you need at least one team in the top-10 and four teams in the top-25.

To finish in the top-4 of conferences, you likely need two teams in the top-10 and at least 5 teams in the top-25.

The entire conference wouldn't have to go undefeated in the OOC, but four of your best teams would need to go undefeated in OOC and you would also need a couple other big OOC wins.

This year provides a decent opportunity to make some noise as a conference. But, the top teams of the conference would each need to win a couple of big OOC games.

Not the PAC, the ACC. They are the weak link of the cartel. ESPN pushes them and lies to make them look better, but they are the weak link of the cartel. (ESPN owns 100% of every single ACC game in every sport until at least 2036 so they of course use propaganda to push their property, the only cartel league they fully own)

Y'know, I get it -- ECU fans have a hardon for the ACC because the tobacco road elite have mistreated the East for millennia. But you do yourself a disservice when you let your anger make you say wrong things.
By Massey Composite:
2017 ACC #1, PAC#5
2016 ACC#2, PAC #3
Three years before that, yes, ACC #5, PAC #2. I don't have the time or inclination to do five year averages for all five conferences. But there is no way that the conference that has been 1-2 the last two years is the weak link.

I would be interested to see a top to bottom assessment of those conferences. Just an eye test on my part, but if you chop the top 1-2 teams off all 5 conferences, I feel like ACC has got to be #4 or #5.

It depends on how you define "top-rated", but I don't think the top-to-bottom assessment matters as much as the analysis of the top. What matters is how many teams finish in the rankings and how high they rank. No one cares whether the bottom teams finish 2-10 or 4-8 and #90 or #120 in the computers.

Here is an assessment of the final AP polls for the past 5 seasons:

Average # of teams in Top-25
SEC = 5.6
PAC = 4.6
B1G = 4.2
ACC = 4.0
B1G = 3.2
AAC = 1.6
Notre Dame = 0.6 (3 out of 5)
MWC = 0.6 (3 out of 5)
CUSA = 0.4 (2 out of 5)
MAC = 0.2 (1 out of 5)
Sun Belt = zero

Average # of teams in top-10
B1G = 2.6
SEC = 2.4
ACC = 1.6
B12 = 1.6
PAC = 1.2 (4 out 5)
AAC = 0.6 (3 out of 5)
Rest = zero

It's interesting to see that the PAC is #2 in terms of the average number of teams per year in the final rankings. In 2 of the 5 seasons, they only landed 3 teams in the final rankings; and last year they had no one in the top-10. So, there was some recency bias in my initial finger-in-the-wind assessment.

The AAC had a strong finish in 2017, with 3 teams in the final rankings (as many as as of the PAC and the B12) and 1 team in the top-10 (more than the PAC and as many as the ACC).

My original perspective was that you would need 2 teams in the top-10 and 5 teams in the final rankings. That was a little aggressive. The 5-year snap shots shows that, to be the #4 rated college football conference, you would need either:

- 4 teams in the final rankings and 2 teams in the top-10
OR
- 5 teams in the final rankings and 1 team in the top-10 (however, in 2013 and 2015, 4 and 1 would have been enough)....

(08-27-2018 12:59 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 09:47 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 09:29 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 06:04 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 10:58 AM)YNot Wrote:  To beat one of the P5 (likely the PAC), you need at least one team in the top-10 and four teams in the top-25.

To finish in the top-4 of conferences, you likely need two teams in the top-10 and at least 5 teams in the top-25.

The entire conference wouldn't have to go undefeated in the OOC, but four of your best teams would need to go undefeated in OOC and you would also need a couple other big OOC wins.

This year provides a decent opportunity to make some noise as a conference. But, the top teams of the conference would each need to win a couple of big OOC games.

Not the PAC, the ACC. They are the weak link of the cartel. ESPN pushes them and lies to make them look better, but they are the weak link of the cartel. (ESPN owns 100% of every single ACC game in every sport until at least 2036 so they of course use propaganda to push their property, the only cartel league they fully own)

Y'know, I get it -- ECU fans have a hardon for the ACC because the tobacco road elite have mistreated the East for millennia. But you do yourself a disservice when you let your anger make you say wrong things.
By Massey Composite:
2017 ACC #1, PAC#5
2016 ACC#2, PAC #3
Three years before that, yes, ACC #5, PAC #2. I don't have the time or inclination to do five year averages for all five conferences. But there is no way that the conference that has been 1-2 the last two years is the weak link.

I would be interested to see a top to bottom assessment of those conferences. Just an eye test on my part, but if you chop the top 1-2 teams off all 5 conferences, I feel like ACC has got to be #4 or #5.

It depends on how you define "top-rated", but I don't think the top-to-bottom assessment matters as much as the analysis of the top. What matters is how many teams finish in the rankings and how high they rank. No one cares whether the bottom teams finish 2-10 or 4-8 and #90 or #120 in the computers.

Here is an assessment of the final AP polls for the past 5 seasons:

Average # of teams in Top-25
SEC = 5.6
PAC = 4.6
B1G = 4.2
ACC = 4.0
B1G = 3.2
AAC = 1.6
Notre Dame = 0.6 (3 out of 5)
MWC = 0.6 (3 out of 5)
CUSA = 0.4 (2 out of 5)
MAC = 0.2 (1 out of 5)
Sun Belt = zero

Average # of teams in top-10
B1G = 2.6
SEC = 2.4
ACC = 1.6
B12 = 1.6
PAC = 1.2 (4 out 5)
AAC = 0.6 (3 out of 5)
Rest = zero

It's interesting to see that the PAC is #2 in terms of the average number of teams per year in the final rankings. In 2 of the 5 seasons, they only landed 3 teams in the final rankings; and last year they had no one in the top-10. So, there was some recency bias in my initial finger-in-the-wind assessment.

The AAC had a strong finish in 2017, with 3 teams in the final rankings (as many as as of the PAC and the B12) and 1 team in the top-10 (more than the PAC and as many as the ACC).

My original perspective was that you would need 2 teams in the top-10 and 5 teams in the final rankings. That was a little aggressive. The 5-year snap shots shows that, to be the #4 rated college football conference, you would need either:

- 4 teams in the final rankings and 2 teams in the top-10
OR
- 5 teams in the final rankings and 1 team in the top-10 (however, in 2013 and 2015, 4 and 1 would have been enough)....

I'm not talking about AP rankings. That's subjective. I'm talking about comparative wins vs. the other conferences. If you chopped off the top 2 teams by win% last year, what would be the conference rankings in win% against other conferences.

What I'm trying to get to is, teams shouldn't be ranked at the top if their opponents don't hold their own against other conferences.