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RE: Benson Leaves the Sun Belt in Better Shape - From The Bird's Nest
Revenue primarily went up because the CFP came into existence. If Benson is responsible for the creation of the CFP and its distribution I applaud him.

Moved the tournament out of Hot Springs is a win? Yeah with the Cajuns playing in the championship game against Georgia State the championship drew fewer fans WKU vs FIU in Hot Springs the year before.

Playing at Lakefront was STUPID. I like the new format but spare me the BS about how great it has been being in New Orleans. The city doesn't care and the fans haven't bothered to show up either. Hot Springs attendance wasn't awesome but it was still better than it was in New Orleans without the benefit of a nearby team doing well and Hot Springs was willing to invest. We were in New Orleans not because the city made any significant bid but because it was easier having league staff spend nights in their homes than in hotels.

I get that people hate commissioners because most fans are too stupid to understand it isn't the commissioners fault your school doesn't take care of business and you can be the smartest commissioner to walk the face of the earth but if you can't get 3/4ths of the presidents behind something it isn't going to happen.

I don't respect Benson over-ruling his supervisor of officials to suspend a player at AState before the WKU game when WKU complained that a play should have been an ejection and he referred it for review and then didn't get the answer he wanted. Nor did I respect the whole fiasco in 2013 trying to ignore the rules that had been adopted on placement of teams in bowls.

But after that a lot of the bitching is flat wrong. He had no blame at all over the WAC fiasco when schools have better options they take advantage of them. You can't wave a magic wand and tell people they really would rather be affiliated with Idaho than Wyoming, Air Force and San Diego State.

The Sun Belt has had good leadership since the merger. Craig Thompson guided the league through the mess of the merger and landed a great gig out of respect for the job he did. Waters did what Thompson couldn't do and got football going and managed to convince North Texas to not bail to the WAC which would have likely killed the league and got the NOLA Bowl going. Benson got two schools that had great FCS success and been torch bearers for the idea people are stupid to move to accept invites and strengthen the league.

We've had multiple initiatives about commitment and scheduling adopted by the presidents that they caved on as soon as the heat turned up.

The Sun Belt's issues have been at the school level not the league office.
08-18-2018 02:38 AM
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RE: Benson Leaves the Sun Belt in Better Shape - From The Bird's Nest
Some examples of adopting standards and not holding to them.
In 2007 we adopted expectations and standards.

One was that teams would play 11 home games over two years. I don't think ULM has played six games at Malone since 2002.
Another was that at least 50% of all non-conference games in basketball would be neutral site or home.
No more than two "money" games in hoops and NO NON-DIVISION I games.

Members would sponsor at least 15 conference sports and had until the 2012-13 season to comply. UALR doesn't comply

All new members would sponsor FBS football, UTA didn't.

Then there was the 150 RPI average rule that went flying out the door as soon as the hoops coaches complained.

Doesn't matter who the commissioner is, if the presidents adopt get tough and get committed rules then toss them it doesn't matter who your commissioner is.
08-18-2018 02:58 AM
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RE: Benson Leaves the Sun Belt in Better Shape - From The Bird's Nest
Giving Benson credit for what we get from the CFP is the exact opposite of those people on the CUSA board calling for Judy McCleod to be fired because no TV network wants to give them a million bucks per school just because they gots marketz.

The commissioners get too much credit when things go well and too much of the blame when things go bad.
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RE: Benson Leaves the Sun Belt in Better Shape - From The Bird's Nest
(08-18-2018 02:58 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Some examples of adopting standards and not holding to them.
In 2007 we adopted expectations and standards.

One was that teams would play 11 home games over two years. I don't think ULM has played six games at Malone since 2002.
Another was that at least 50% of all non-conference games in basketball would be neutral site or home.
No more than two "money" games in hoops and NO NON-DIVISION I games.

Members would sponsor at least 15 conference sports and had until the 2012-13 season to comply. UALR doesn't comply

All new members would sponsor FBS football, UTA didn't.

Then there was the 150 RPI average rule that went flying out the door as soon as the hoops coaches complained.

Doesn't matter who the commissioner is, if the presidents adopt get tough and get committed rules then toss them it doesn't matter who your commissioner is.

For the record, we FINALLY have 6 home games next year.
08-18-2018 09:17 AM
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RE: Benson Leaves the Sun Belt in Better Shape - From The Bird's Nest
I am like a lot of stAte fans that don't like Benson, and their is definitely some justification for that position.
1. He tried to put WKU in front of stAte for the GoDaddy bowl, even when WKU was leaving the conference.
2. He didn't show up to present a conference championship trophy.
3. He moved the basketball tournament away from Hot Springs before the contract had expired simply because it was more convenient for him. He said it was "closer to conference HQ".
4. He is completely unapologetic for his actions when interviewed.
5. I'm glad we got Coastal, but he was looking at other move ups that would have greatly diminished the conference stature and it was simply for job security.
6. I think he has always had his own interest at heart much more than that of the conference. Granted, a lot of people are like that, but his self-interest was far too out of line with what was best for the teams of the conference.

I think the conference can do much better and I hope we get somebody really really good that is not named Mohajir.
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(08-18-2018 08:12 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Giving Benson credit for what we get from the CFP is the exact opposite of those people on the CUSA board calling for Judy McCleod to be fired because no TV network wants to give them a million bucks per school just because they gots marketz.

The commissioners get too much credit when things go well and too much of the blame when things go bad.

Absolutely.

The single most important job of a commissioner is to build consensus. When the members aren't sure what they want to do or disagree on what to do, the commissioner is basically a third party who helps them find a joint path.

It isn't something most people will ever know has happened.

Take the last expansion slot. NMSU couldn't get 3/4ths. Liberty and EKU couldn't get 3/4ths.

But eventually a consensus built that Coastal fit.

That's what you want, you want someone help you find a path to a unanimous decision or at least a 75% decision.

Roy Kramer once explained to someone that when he walked into an SEC meeting that most of the time 3 presidents favored one thing, three favored something else, and six didn't have an opinion and his job was to help them find a to a 12-0 vote.

Look I've stated what Benson has done that I disagreed with but I am not about to say he was bad at his job because I know that he has done a good job facilitating the presidents finding their path to a 12-0 vote.
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RE: Benson Leaves the Sun Belt in Better Shape - From The Bird's Nest
(08-18-2018 09:17 AM)Arrowhead Wrote:  
(08-18-2018 02:58 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Some examples of adopting standards and not holding to them.
In 2007 we adopted expectations and standards.

One was that teams would play 11 home games over two years. I don't think ULM has played six games at Malone since 2002.
Another was that at least 50% of all non-conference games in basketball would be neutral site or home.
No more than two "money" games in hoops and NO NON-DIVISION I games.

Members would sponsor at least 15 conference sports and had until the 2012-13 season to comply. UALR doesn't comply

All new members would sponsor FBS football, UTA didn't.

Then there was the 150 RPI average rule that went flying out the door as soon as the hoops coaches complained.

Doesn't matter who the commissioner is, if the presidents adopt get tough and get committed rules then toss them it doesn't matter who your commissioner is.

For the record, we FINALLY have 6 home games next year.

And that's good, but 12 years after we "claimed" it was a standard just illustrates that the presidents have been good at thinking up standards and bad at actually putting them to use which was my point.
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RE: Benson Leaves the Sun Belt in Better Shape - From The Bird's Nest
The basic consensus seems to be that Benson had a lot of early missteps but seemed to find his footing after a while. Though AState fans will probably blame him for Global Warming just because we can and there's nothing you guys can do about it?
08-18-2018 03:35 PM
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(08-16-2018 12:11 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(08-16-2018 11:01 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  
(08-16-2018 10:20 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  My thoughts on the announcement

http://espn1420.com/benson-leaves-the-su...rds-nest/l



Revenue distribution up 2000%. Please share the numbers with us. Haven't seen this statement before.

Moved the basketball tournament to New Orleans, home of the conference office from Hot Springs, and its been a poor choice each year. Hot Springs had a natural tourist draw, greater attendance by far, more central location, and more courts providing for both womens and mens tournments during the same week.

Officials and discipline? Like the time the officials determined in review that a key Arkansas State player had not gone with his helmet but Karl decided he knew more than the officials and overturned the ruling resulting in State losing its player.

Ok, you will miss the chats and his good friendship. Show him some love and give him a pat on the the back for asking ESPN to call your team Louisana. But I think I will give a pat on the back to the presidents and chancellors for keeping Karl on a narrow road, improving the conference standing and possibly preventing another conference downfall.

How exactly is Hot Springs a bigger tourist draw than NOLA? If it wasn't for this board I would have no idea it existed.

Great points.
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RE: Benson Leaves the Sun Belt in Better Shape - From The Bird's Nest
(08-18-2018 03:46 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  
(08-16-2018 12:11 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(08-16-2018 11:01 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  
(08-16-2018 10:20 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  My thoughts on the announcement

http://espn1420.com/benson-leaves-the-su...rds-nest/l

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Revenue distribution up 2000%. Please share the numbers with us. Haven't seen this statement before.

Moved the basketball tournament to New Orleans, home of the conference office from Hot Springs, and its been a poor choice each year. Hot Springs had a natural tourist draw, greater attendance by far, more central location, and more courts providing for both womens and mens tournments during the same week.

Officials and discipline? Like the time the officials determined in review that a key Arkansas State player had not gone with his helmet but Karl decided he knew more than the officials and overturned the ruling resulting in State losing its player.

Ok, you will miss the chats and his good friendship. Show him some love and give him a pat on the the back for asking ESPN to call your team Louisana. But I think I will give a pat on the back to the presidents and chancellors for keeping Karl on a narrow road, improving the conference standing and possibly preventing another conference downfall.

How exactly is Hot Springs a bigger tourist draw than NOLA? If it wasn't for this board I would have no idea it existed.

Great points.

It's not any worse. No one goes to BB games anyway.
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RE: Benson Leaves the Sun Belt in Better Shape - From The Bird's Nest
The only thing that improved under Krazy Karl’s tenure, was Krazy Karl’s handicap. Ask anyone in New Orleans how often Karl was in the SBC office at the Superdome versus our on the local golf courses!
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