Where would that 150k or 200k gate receipt come from? Unless gate is already close to that.

If average attendance is 2k to 8k for an EMU home game, Kentucky wouldn't make Rynearson burst at the seams... They are about as low profile of a P5 team as you will find. Sure Kentucky would bring 1000 or so but EMU fans won't all of the sudden show out for Wildcats.... Toledo has played Kansas, Purdue, ISU, and Colorado during our years of being meager (06-09) and those crowds weren't any better than MAC foes besides the fact that they were in September.

An instate rivalry game vs. MSU or a BIG team dropping would be far more tragic. I can see the displeasure with being a MAC team who doesn't grab good OOC games to build the fanbase, but sometimes winning has to come first.

Kentucky isn't horrible but year to year they are in danger of losing to about half of the G5 teams out there. Playing that game in Ypsi in front of 14,000 is a loss loss. Especially if EMU will be halfway decent (which they should be). At least getting the Eagles at home relieves them of some chance of falling on their face. Kentucky is in the game of being bowl eligible. The 1m cost to get that extra OOC win is probably worth it compared to keeping the cash/giving a 7 point swing to a team that would "SOUND" like a very very bad loss.

(08-16-2018 05:16 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Where would that 150k or 200k gate receipt come from? Unless gate is already close to that.

If average attendance is 2k to 8k for an EMU home game, Kentucky wouldn't make Rynearson burst at the seams... They are about as low profile of a P5 team as you will find. Sure Kentucky would bring 1000 or so but EMU fans won't all of the sudden show out for Wildcats.... Toledo has played Kansas, Purdue, ISU, and Colorado during our years of being meager (06-09) and those crowds weren't any better than MAC foes besides the fact that they were in September.

An instate rivalry game vs. MSU or a BIG team dropping would be far more tragic. I can see the displeasure with being a MAC team who doesn't grab good OOC games to build the fanbase, but sometimes winning has to come first.

Kentucky isn't horrible but year to year they are in danger of losing to about half of the G5 teams out there. Playing that game in Ypsi in front of 14,000 is a loss loss. Especially if EMU will be halfway decent (which they should be). At least getting the Eagles at home relieves them of some chance of falling on their face. Kentucky is in the game of being bowl eligible. The 1m cost to get that extra OOC win is probably worth it compared to keeping the cash/giving a 7 point swing to a team that would "SOUND" like a very very bad loss.

I agree with you.

I was being generous by 'assuming' EMU would sell 8 - 10k paid tickets at say $20 or $25 bucks each. Many would be 'bundled', BOGO, etc. and result in less than a $20 average ticket revenue.

Add a few thousand students, admitted free, and maybe EMU draws a legitimate 12K fans but loses its shirt financially.

I'm not sure of the current market, but it seems we can get 1M (give or take) on the road and may pay say 250 - 300K for a FCS team at home.

Based on that, I agree with this poster that taking the 1M for a game like KY is a good deal. The money is good and the game should be competitive. SEC teams get good TV exposure.

My big problem with dropping the KY home game is if we start 2019 with say 3 straight road games. That isn't good.

I like playing teams like KY, IL, etc. as they seem to have some attractiveness and make sense. B1G games, like Rutgers, IL, Purdue, etc. get us on the BTN. In today's media environment, if you aren't on television you are almost irrelevant.

I do like playing in neighboring states as EMU exposure in KY, IL, etc. (playing P5 teams) is a good thing.

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sp...968749002/

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/mid-amer...eagles.php

This is our future schedule (before the KY game switch).

(08-16-2018 06:54 AM)emu79 Wrote:  https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sp...968749002/

So I'm still a little confused.

We got 1.2M for the 2017 game.

We get 800K for the 2018 game.

We get ? for the 2019 game.

Correct???

We would have had to PAY $200,000 to host Kentucky. That would have wiped out most of the ticket receipts for that game. Sounds like a bad deal for us.

(08-16-2018 07:58 AM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  We would have had to PAY $200,000 to host Kentucky. That would have wiped out most of the ticket receipts for that game. Sounds like a bad deal for us.

Yeah, so we give 200K and get 200K.

We would have collected gate receipts for 2019 which would have paid our travel expenses for 2020.

OTOH, we get 800K, before expenses, for 2019 game.

I'm still confused as to the status of the 2020 game, which was to be game #3 of the 2 for 1.

Is the game still on? If so, how much will we receive??

It does appear to me that only the MAC teams which draw nice revenues from their home games can afford a 2 for 1 like we had from KY.

(08-16-2018 07:24 AM)emu steve Wrote:  http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/mid-amer...eagles.php

This is our future schedule (before the KY game switch).

Looks like we should be looking at a big payday away game for 2021.

(08-15-2018 07:46 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(08-15-2018 07:35 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  MAC teams have to schedule for the $$$$, not that complicated, or surprising.

What is paradoxical:

We complain that MBB plays non-D-I presumably because of the difficulty and expense of getting teams to visit.

Now, we are getting FCS teams to visit for the same reason ($)...

I understand we have a minimum of basketball home games we have to schedule, am I correct? Go ahead and schedule all the cupcakes we can for those. But other than that why travel to North and South Florida and Long Beach State when we can get paid more to play a major program?

I would have loved to have Kentucky come to Rynearson but while they are an SEC team they are a bottom half conference participant. I have been told that the Army deal was disastrous and we need to get that behind us before we spend or turn down any major conference dollars.

This move is a preemptive attack to any Bunsis accounting reports and considering the state of things currently, a good move. Until we get more butts in the seats for both football and basketball, we have little choice.

(08-16-2018 03:01 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(08-15-2018 07:46 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(08-15-2018 07:35 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  MAC teams have to schedule for the $$$$, not that complicated, or surprising.

What is paradoxical:

We complain that MBB plays non-D-I presumably because of the difficulty and expense of getting teams to visit.

Now, we are getting FCS teams to visit for the same reason ($)...

I understand we have a minimum of basketball home games we have to schedule, am I correct? Go ahead and schedule all the cupcakes we can for those. But other than that why travel to North and South Florida and Long Beach State when we can get paid more to play a major program?

I would have loved to have Kentucky come to Rynearson but while they are an SEC team they are a bottom half conference participant. I have been told that the Army deal was disastrous and we need to get that behind us before we spend or turn down any major conference dollars.

This move is a preemptive attack to any Bunsis accounting reports and considering the state of things currently, a good move. Until we get more butts in the seats for both football and basketball, we have little choice.

Agrer Jerry. It was disappointing to lose the Kentucky game but we need to maximize our revenue to help more funds funnel to THE CHAMPIONSHIP BUILDING PLAN :-)

Disappointed that this game won't be in Ypsi.

This is proof once again that money is king in the NCAA. I'm also thinking UK had second thoughts after they barely beat EMU last year. A low profit game with the risk a loss is bad business.

Competitive advantage can be bought. I've made this comment to UM fans and some think I'm crazy. They can't see it, even though they play 75% of their NC games at home and never play at a non-P5 school's stadium.

Like I've said for years, the NCAA should force teams to play on the road. It'll never happen though. $$$

We were an idiotic rugby style 4th qtr blocked punt away from beating this decent SEC team on the road.

(08-16-2018 07:09 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  We were an idiotic rugby style 4th qtr blocked punt away from beating this decent SEC team on the road.

****!

This means only 5 home games in 2019 with the first home game played in what late September? Not an appealing fan friendly schedule next year.

(08-16-2018 05:16 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Where would that 150k or 200k gate receipt come from? Unless gate is already close to that.

If average attendance is 2k to 8k for an EMU home game, Kentucky wouldn't make Rynearson burst at the seams... They are about as low profile of a P5 team as you will find. Sure Kentucky would bring 1000 or so but EMU fans won't all of the sudden show out for Wildcats.... Toledo has played Kansas, Purdue, ISU, and Colorado during our years of being meager (06-09) and those crowds weren't any better than MAC foes besides the fact that they were in September.

An instate rivalry game vs. MSU or a BIG team dropping would be far more tragic. I can see the displeasure with being a MAC team who doesn't grab good OOC games to build the fanbase, but sometimes winning has to come first.

Kentucky isn't horrible but year to year they are in danger of losing to about half of the G5 teams out there. Playing that game in Ypsi in front of 14,000 is a loss loss. Especially if EMU will be halfway decent (which they should be). At least getting the Eagles at home relieves them of some chance of falling on their face. Kentucky is in the game of being bowl eligible. The 1m cost to get that extra OOC win is probably worth it compared to keeping the cash/giving a 7 point swing to a team that would "SOUND" like a very very bad loss.

Solid analysis, I cannot agree more.

(08-17-2018 03:25 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(08-16-2018 05:16 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Where would that 150k or 200k gate receipt come from? Unless gate is already close to that.

If average attendance is 2k to 8k for an EMU home game, Kentucky wouldn't make Rynearson burst at the seams... They are about as low profile of a P5 team as you will find. Sure Kentucky would bring 1000 or so but EMU fans won't all of the sudden show out for Wildcats.... Toledo has played Kansas, Purdue, ISU, and Colorado during our years of being meager (06-09) and those crowds weren't any better than MAC foes besides the fact that they were in September.

An instate rivalry game vs. MSU or a BIG team dropping would be far more tragic. I can see the displeasure with being a MAC team who doesn't grab good OOC games to build the fanbase, but sometimes winning has to come first.

Kentucky isn't horrible but year to year they are in danger of losing to about half of the G5 teams out there. Playing that game in Ypsi in front of 14,000 is a loss loss. Especially if EMU will be halfway decent (which they should be). At least getting the Eagles at home relieves them of some chance of falling on their face. Kentucky is in the game of being bowl eligible. The 1m cost to get that extra OOC win is probably worth it compared to keeping the cash/giving a 7 point swing to a team that would "SOUND" like a very very bad loss.

Solid analysis, I cannot agree more.

Indeed. I was trying to give EMU the benefit of the doubt, but a September game vs. Army would probably draw say 10K+.

So the revenue differential between Army and Kentucky might be say 25 - 50K (max).