(09-05-2018 12:45 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 12:37 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 12:01 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 11:52 AM)Djud Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 11:24 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  He values it only to the extent that he values it not being a component that decides the game. As we have seen, the QB can be the difference maker. When you have no expectations for the position other than (for lack of a better phrase) to "not do stupid things", it is common sense that it would be impossible to evaluate the position when you do not necessitate any skills from the position. And thus, when you demand nothing from the position you won't develop the position.

I thought Carey's comments were so enlightening in the press conference. After the pick Childers threw, Carey said he called him over and said "We had the FG, you do not make that throw". While there is some truth to that, it really highlights the conservative, scared, paralyzed nature everything is in under this coach. Reminds me a lot of basketball where Montgomery actually said in a press conference once "I really prefer when we are on the defensive side of things, too many things can go wrong on offense". Id be ok if NIU had the number one defense in the country and could win on defense alone, that isn't the case. Childers needs to relax back there and not be afraid to make mistakes, under this coach, that is impossible. If anything, he will be even more tentative. It is a bad situation all around though, there are no plays to be made out there anyway right now. This is just such a cluster I do not even know how to right this ship other than to start over from scratch with coaching. That is the only way out I can see.

How much more relaxed could our QB be? He knows it’s his job and his alone. The coach has said and demonstrated that in spite of some his continued struggles, he has his back and is prepared to develop him. These are not just words, Carey’s actions have made this very clear.

Carey was just as agitated Childers attempted that throw as he was he underthrew it. The fear of the mistake is crippling. I really believe that is one reason why QB's cannot develop. I also think that's why NIU runs such basic routes where receivers do not create separation, it completely takes the option away from the QB to be aggressive. I just hope people realize the fact the offense is so bad cannot be laid on one person, majority of the blame goes to the coaching staff. I hope we can all agree on that, no QB would succeed at NIU right now.

I’m not gonna fault Carey for conservative play. That was a broken play. They aren’t just playing for the 3 points, but in a tight game you don’t go off script unless it’s really wide open. That was first down at Iowa’s 23 about to go into half time. Iowa was in zone and Childers fell for it. Throw that one away or tuck it and run.

To be honest, I dont thibk Carey even trusts his QB to throw the ball away, he would rather take the sack

If Carey is in Childers head that much, then Childers is too weak minded to play QB. At some point a QB needs to lead. I don't think Marcus has that in him.

(09-05-2018 01:06 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 12:45 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 12:37 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 12:01 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 11:52 AM)Djud Wrote:  How much more relaxed could our QB be? He knows it’s his job and his alone. The coach has said and demonstrated that in spite of some his continued struggles, he has his back and is prepared to develop him. These are not just words, Carey’s actions have made this very clear.

Carey was just as agitated Childers attempted that throw as he was he underthrew it. The fear of the mistake is crippling. I really believe that is one reason why QB's cannot develop. I also think that's why NIU runs such basic routes where receivers do not create separation, it completely takes the option away from the QB to be aggressive. I just hope people realize the fact the offense is so bad cannot be laid on one person, majority of the blame goes to the coaching staff. I hope we can all agree on that, no QB would succeed at NIU right now.

I’m not gonna fault Carey for conservative play. That was a broken play. They aren’t just playing for the 3 points, but in a tight game you don’t go off script unless it’s really wide open. That was first down at Iowa’s 23 about to go into half time. Iowa was in zone and Childers fell for it. Throw that one away or tuck it and run.

To be honest, I dont thibk Carey even trusts his QB to throw the ball away, he would rather take the sack

If Carey is in Childers head that much, then Childers is too weak minded to play QB. At some point a QB needs to lead. I don't think Marcus has that in him.

Well I know for a fact Carey doesn't have it in him to be an effective leader. Until he is gone, this wont improve. I have no doubt in my mind about that.

Well, whoever is in charge of the weather in DeKalb seems to be doing their job. Revised forecast for game day is 25% chance of rain during the day, 2% for the game.

(09-05-2018 05:16 PM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  Well, whoever is in charge of the weather in DeKalb seems to be doing their job. Revised forecast for game day is 25% chance of rain during the day, 2% for the game.

Let us all thank MD. MD, when I see you again, I'll give you a hug you'll never forget!

(09-05-2018 05:50 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 05:16 PM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  Well, whoever is in charge of the weather in DeKalb seems to be doing their job. Revised forecast for game day is 25% chance of rain during the day, 2% for the game.

Let us all thank MD. MD, when I see you again, I'll give you a hug you'll never forget!

Glad I could help.......

(09-05-2018 12:37 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 12:01 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 11:52 AM)Djud Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 11:24 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 10:44 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  I’m sure Carey values the position. It’s the most important position in all of sports. But he does not know how to evaluate it. Because someone is billed as a “dual threat” does not mean they are a good match for RPO offenses. Childers is not. Forget the fact he doesn’t have running ability. That’s just part of the rpo. More importantly is the quick decision making and accuracy. Maybe Childers is great in practice and freezes up in games. Or maybe he’d be a fine drop back passer. Idk. But I do know we need a good qb Who comes to NIU already prepared because I’m not sure Rod can develope or identify one.

He values it only to the extent that he values it not being a component that decides the game. As we have seen, the QB can be the difference maker. When you have no expectations for the position other than (for lack of a better phrase) to "not do stupid things", it is common sense that it would be impossible to evaluate the position when you do not necessitate any skills from the position. And thus, when you demand nothing from the position you won't develop the position.

I thought Carey's comments were so enlightening in the press conference. After the pick Childers threw, Carey said he called him over and said "We had the FG, you do not make that throw". While there is some truth to that, it really highlights the conservative, scared, paralyzed nature everything is in under this coach. Reminds me a lot of basketball where Montgomery actually said in a press conference once "I really prefer when we are on the defensive side of things, too many things can go wrong on offense". Id be ok if NIU had the number one defense in the country and could win on defense alone, that isn't the case. Childers needs to relax back there and not be afraid to make mistakes, under this coach, that is impossible. If anything, he will be even more tentative. It is a bad situation all around though, there are no plays to be made out there anyway right now. This is just such a cluster I do not even know how to right this ship other than to start over from scratch with coaching. That is the only way out I can see.

How much more relaxed could our QB be? He knows it’s his job and his alone. The coach has said and demonstrated that in spite of some his continued struggles, he has his back and is prepared to develop him. These are not just words, Carey’s actions have made this very clear.

Carey was just as agitated Childers attempted that throw as he was he underthrew it. The fear of the mistake is crippling. I really believe that is one reason why QB's cannot develop. I also think that's why NIU runs such basic routes where receivers do not create separation, it completely takes the option away from the QB to be aggressive. I just hope people realize the fact the offense is so bad cannot be laid on one person, majority of the blame goes to the coaching staff. I hope we can all agree on that, no QB would succeed at NIU right now.

I’m not gonna fault Carey for conservative play. That was a broken play. They aren’t just playing for the 3 points, but in a tight game you don’t go off script unless it’s really wide open. That was first down at Iowa’s 23 about to go into half time. Iowa was in zone and Childers fell for it. Throw that one away or tuck it and run.

I'd have to see it again but it seemed like a throw that could have been completed if it was thrown with a little arc on it.

(09-05-2018 06:52 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 12:37 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 12:01 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 11:52 AM)Djud Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 11:24 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  He values it only to the extent that he values it not being a component that decides the game. As we have seen, the QB can be the difference maker. When you have no expectations for the position other than (for lack of a better phrase) to "not do stupid things", it is common sense that it would be impossible to evaluate the position when you do not necessitate any skills from the position. And thus, when you demand nothing from the position you won't develop the position.

I thought Carey's comments were so enlightening in the press conference. After the pick Childers threw, Carey said he called him over and said "We had the FG, you do not make that throw". While there is some truth to that, it really highlights the conservative, scared, paralyzed nature everything is in under this coach. Reminds me a lot of basketball where Montgomery actually said in a press conference once "I really prefer when we are on the defensive side of things, too many things can go wrong on offense". Id be ok if NIU had the number one defense in the country and could win on defense alone, that isn't the case. Childers needs to relax back there and not be afraid to make mistakes, under this coach, that is impossible. If anything, he will be even more tentative. It is a bad situation all around though, there are no plays to be made out there anyway right now. This is just such a cluster I do not even know how to right this ship other than to start over from scratch with coaching. That is the only way out I can see.

How much more relaxed could our QB be? He knows it’s his job and his alone. The coach has said and demonstrated that in spite of some his continued struggles, he has his back and is prepared to develop him. These are not just words, Carey’s actions have made this very clear.

Carey was just as agitated Childers attempted that throw as he was he underthrew it. The fear of the mistake is crippling. I really believe that is one reason why QB's cannot develop. I also think that's why NIU runs such basic routes where receivers do not create separation, it completely takes the option away from the QB to be aggressive. I just hope people realize the fact the offense is so bad cannot be laid on one person, majority of the blame goes to the coaching staff. I hope we can all agree on that, no QB would succeed at NIU right now.

I’m not gonna fault Carey for conservative play. That was a broken play. They aren’t just playing for the 3 points, but in a tight game you don’t go off script unless it’s really wide open. That was first down at Iowa’s 23 about to go into half time. Iowa was in zone and Childers fell for it. Throw that one away or tuck it and run.

I'd have to see it again but it seemed like a throw that could have been completed if it was thrown with a little arc on it.

It could have but it was a more difficult throw than it looked. Not sure if it was a safety or LB, but Tucker lost his initial defender because it was zone and looked open for a half second, Childers was late picking him up and the Iowa defender read Childers eyes and got back on Tucker quickly. There was safety help over the top as well so he couldn't throw it too far beyond Tucker. It was there, but Childers was late on it and got suckered by the defender.

(09-05-2018 06:59 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 06:52 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 12:37 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 12:01 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 11:52 AM)Djud Wrote:  How much more relaxed could our QB be? He knows it’s his job and his alone. The coach has said and demonstrated that in spite of some his continued struggles, he has his back and is prepared to develop him. These are not just words, Carey’s actions have made this very clear.

Carey was just as agitated Childers attempted that throw as he was he underthrew it. The fear of the mistake is crippling. I really believe that is one reason why QB's cannot develop. I also think that's why NIU runs such basic routes where receivers do not create separation, it completely takes the option away from the QB to be aggressive. I just hope people realize the fact the offense is so bad cannot be laid on one person, majority of the blame goes to the coaching staff. I hope we can all agree on that, no QB would succeed at NIU right now.

I’m not gonna fault Carey for conservative play. That was a broken play. They aren’t just playing for the 3 points, but in a tight game you don’t go off script unless it’s really wide open. That was first down at Iowa’s 23 about to go into half time. Iowa was in zone and Childers fell for it. Throw that one away or tuck it and run.

I'd have to see it again but it seemed like a throw that could have been completed if it was thrown with a little arc on it.

It could have but it was a more difficult throw than it looked. Not sure if it was a safety or LB, but Tucker lost his initial defender because it was zone and looked open for a half second, Childers was late picking him up and the Iowa defender read Childers eyes and got back on Tucker quickly. There was safety help over the top as well so he couldn't throw it too far beyond Tucker. It was there, but Childers was late on it and got suckered by the defender.

Yea I wasn't sure about the help over the top when I watched it live.

Although it was a disappointing INT, you have to expect a young QB to make a few of those mistakes. They just need to be mixed in with actual positive plays, but he's probably even more gun-shy now than he already was. Right now though, Childers is basically a game manager and should be utilized as one.

(09-05-2018 05:16 PM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  Well, whoever is in charge of the weather in DeKalb seems to be doing their job. Revised forecast for game day is 25% chance of rain during the day, 2% for the game.

Looking better...Cloudy but NO RAIN...

Winds E/NE 8-10 miles. Not the dreaded West winds hitting the Convo & West area.

Tailgating should be all good...

Guess I am in for the game now. East side. I know Dog Fan will be eating hot dogs in tent

(09-06-2018 09:39 AM)klake87 Wrote:  Guess I am in for the game now. East side. I know Dog Fan will be eating hot dogs in tent

Nah, I'll be eating them while walking through the crowd at the Yard. I need a big audience to see the show I put on. I over-slather my wieners with condiments and then let them drip down my chin as I firmly bite that weeny while letting the juice squirt out. There is an art to hot dog eating, you know!