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I think y’all underestimate the greed of the A5, they want a A4 not an A6, I believe they will not be able to move to an A4, mostly because ESPN doesn’t want it
The AAC might attain big tv ratings bigger money beat every A5 team but imo this will not get us in their A5 club
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Yep. Just like the OBE.

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(08-15-2018 01:33 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  ESPN, CBS and others have already said recently they would like to see a g5 playoff so what does that mean, it means that they want two leagues that will produce a team each to play for a champion, yes I know this will make A5 fans say all kinds of nasty stuff but when the blue chip recruits start choosing, Memphis, SDSU, Boise, Houston, UCF, BYU, Cincinnati and all the rest of the g5 blue bloods, then they will have not much to say

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(08-16-2018 12:09 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(08-15-2018 01:33 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  ESPN, CBS and others have already said recently they would like to see a g5 playoff so what does that mean, it means that they want two leagues that will produce a team each to play for a champion, yes I know this will make A5 fans say all kinds of nasty stuff but when the blue chip recruits start choosing, Memphis, SDSU, Boise, Houston, UCF, BYU, Cincinnati and all the rest of the g5 blue bloods, then they will have not much to say

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(08-15-2018 05:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(08-15-2018 01:02 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(08-15-2018 12:54 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Good grief man...might as well go fcs if we are going to associate with the g4.
Ok what if a network paid bigger bucks for a G5 playoff than what we’re getting from ESPN and cfp, say a lot more, it would show case more teams and might just help with recruiting and if recruiting gets a lot better then this FCS argument in of no concern
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It’s a nice sentiment—but it ain’t happening. Despite the fact some of these bowls featuring a high ranking G5 vs another high ranking G5 are getting high ratings—we don’t see any network stepping up with big money to create a series of G5 champ vs G5 champ bowls. That tells me the fantasy of a G5 playoff being worth more than our 85 million cut of the CFP P5 Invitational is pure folly. Think about it---for just 10 million any network could put together a deal where the 4 G5 champs not in the access bowl would play each other. The payoff would be 2.5 million for each team---more than twice what any G5 bowl pays right now. Yet, at a low price of just 10 million---exactly ZERO networks have come forward to put that championship bowl series together---and somehow a G5 playoff is going to be worth more than 85 million? Not in this lifetime its not.

ive said it before---if the G5 wants to improve the quality of its post season--it needs to work within the bowl system to create a series of championship bowls with high payouts to serve as the destination for the 4 G5 champs not in the access bowl. The bowls would owned by the G5 and will be financed with some of the money the G5 gets from the CFP every year. There would be 3 games, 2 vs P5 opponents and one pitting the #3 and #4 ranked G5 champs against each other. If the G5 supports their bowls---they will be self sustaining, profitable, and will serve as big showcase platforms that will make the outcome of G5 conference races more relavant to the general public.

This.
The CFP actually paid the AAC and the G4s $91 million total each of the last two years. So JHS55's "more money" requires a LOT of money.
Let's just keep it there though at $91 million. The theory is that the networks will pay $91 million for...what? Networks pay for viewers, so what do you think you'll get? The best bowl viewership without an A5 team last year was Army-SDSU just under three and a half million viewers in a pretty sweet timeslot. That's comparable to Boise vs A5 in Vegas, or Memphis vs A5 in the Liberty and ahead of decent nonA5 games like Fresno Houston or App St Toledo. Let's go completely crazy here and say your semis beat that (four or five million viewers?) and your mythical championship beats WMU's showing in the Cotton Bowl (say six million to beat it and to approximate Boise in the Fiesta). That would be crazy viewers, too: FCS championship got a million and a half viewers last year.
So a completely insane and unrealistic 15 million viewers for three games? Even with "playoff" or "championship" hype that isn't worth a third of what the CFP currently pays.
It's ridiculous to me too that the fantasy statement that "they" would pay a G4 +AAC playoff big bucks so often comes hand in glove with statement that the same "they" won't pay $91 million for 30 AAC games that bring twenty million viewers.
If "they" really wanted to match up the two best champions not in the NY6 game in a bowl for a few million bucks...they could do that tomorrow. Oversimplification but they could and they don't.
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You are correct
However i see the cfp money as a temporary carrot to hold the G5 at bay untill the cfp system solidifies it’s self into what it is right now and it’s been very successful, mybe too successful for espn’s own projected time frame and mybe the A5 it’s self ?
I think ESPN wanted to create a real division in FBS first by establishing the A5 with continued tv platform and big cash, then they would turn their attention to the G5 , but the whole process has been moving along much faster then expected, so imo ESPN now has to scramble to keep the g5 propped up to keep it from sliding into FCS oblivion, this is easy enough to do, but now it will likely cost them more money, this is why I’ve been saying the AAC will get at least $15m per team per year and in two years the MWC will see a big up tick in money too, this then will kick off a bunch of g5 realignment within the g5 itself sort of like what we saw happen to the A5
The 91m in cfp money the g5 get will not be matched with g5 bowl money but the new tv contract money will , starting with the AAC at about 180m next year
Of course everything Iam predicting is based on my belief that ESPN has a “ grand plan “, if not just call me crazy if you don’t have better conspiracy theory’s
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Weak

It’s such a loser mentality. Next you will want G5 participation trophies for all the players. The G5 Poll should be sponsored by Gerber.

This conference produces top25 talent every year. Our teams are some of the best in the nation.
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(08-16-2018 06:46 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Weak

It’s such a loser mentality. Next you will want G5 participation trophies for all the players. The G5 Poll should be sponsored by Gerber.

This conference produces top25 talent every year. Our teams are some of the best in the nation.
I can understand where your coming form, UCF probably has the best chance of any g5 to get a A5 invite
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(08-15-2018 02:38 PM)Bearcatdh58 Wrote:  I don't understand what you are saying. The A6 campaign is already a success. What is not working? What is missing for you?

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Verdict is still out. Only a success if you're next TV deal is for more $s than you get now.
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(08-16-2018 07:51 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  
(08-15-2018 02:38 PM)Bearcatdh58 Wrote:  I don't understand what you are saying. The A6 campaign is already a success. What is not working? What is missing for you?

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Verdict is still out. Only a success if you're next TV deal is for more $s than you get now.

Actually, the next TV deal is only an intermediate objective. P6 - frankly the conference's Strategic Plan - is about 2025. Success is defined by the AAC's place in the landscape after the next big shakeup.
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(08-16-2018 08:01 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(08-16-2018 07:51 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  
(08-15-2018 02:38 PM)Bearcatdh58 Wrote:  I don't understand what you are saying. The A6 campaign is already a success. What is not working? What is missing for you?

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Verdict is still out. Only a success if you're next TV deal is for more $s than you get now.

Actually, the next TV deal is only an intermediate objective. P6 - frankly the conference's Strategic Plan - is about 2025. Success is defined by the AAC's place in the landscape after the next big shakeup.
Yeah pretty much how it is, now we just wait and continue the success we’re having and push the A6 campaign
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UCF pushes the p6 agenda. We would form a new league if this low major playoff happened. Guaranteed...and even Aresco would laugh off any proposal which frankly wouldn't generate money. Without the AAC this even stands less of a chance.
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(08-16-2018 08:13 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  UCF pushes the p6 agenda. We would form a new league if this low major playoff happened. Guaranteed...and even Aresco would laugh off any proposal which frankly wouldn't generate money. Without the AAC this even stands less of a chance.
Agreed
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(08-15-2018 03:18 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  If P6 doesn't work, plan B is for Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF & USF to leave.

Hahahaha it’s funny cause no one wants you.
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(08-16-2018 06:20 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  You are correct
However i see the cfp money as a temporary carrot to hold the G5 at bay untill the cfp system solidifies it’s self into what it is right now and it’s been very successful, mybe too successful for espn’s own projected time frame and mybe the A5 it’s self ?
I think ESPN wanted to create a real division in FBS first by establishing the A5 with continued tv platform and big cash, then they would turn their attention to the G5 , but the whole process has been moving along much faster then expected, so imo ESPN now has to scramble to keep the g5 propped up to keep it from sliding into FCS oblivion, this is easy enough to do, but now it will likely cost them more money, this is why I’ve been saying the AAC will get at least $15m per team per year and in two years the MWC will see a big up tick in money too, this then will kick off a bunch of g5 realignment within the g5 itself sort of like what we saw happen to the A5
The 91m in cfp money the g5 get will not be matched with g5 bowl money but the new tv contract money will , starting with the AAC at about 180m next year
Of course everything Iam predicting is based on my belief that ESPN has a “ grand plan “, if not just call me crazy if you don’t have better conspiracy theory’s


Fine but the "temoporary" CFP carrot goes through the 2025 season. In the AAC Strategic Plan, the Commissioner's foreword talks about "the next several critical years, where opportunities await."
Choices between now and that endstate date of 2025 that would relegate ourselves to second-class status wouldn't be a Plan B as much as it would be abandoning the Strategic Plan.
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(08-16-2018 08:35 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(08-16-2018 06:20 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  You are correct
However i see the cfp money as a temporary carrot to hold the G5 at bay untill the cfp system solidifies it’s self into what it is right now and it’s been very successful, mybe too successful for espn’s own projected time frame and mybe the A5 it’s self ?
I think ESPN wanted to create a real division in FBS first by establishing the A5 with continued tv platform and big cash, then they would turn their attention to the G5 , but the whole process has been moving along much faster then expected, so imo ESPN now has to scramble to keep the g5 propped up to keep it from sliding into FCS oblivion, this is easy enough to do, but now it will likely cost them more money, this is why I’ve been saying the AAC will get at least $15m per team per year and in two years the MWC will see a big up tick in money too, this then will kick off a bunch of g5 realignment within the g5 itself sort of like what we saw happen to the A5
The 91m in cfp money the g5 get will not be matched with g5 bowl money but the new tv contract money will , starting with the AAC at about 180m next year
Of course everything Iam predicting is based on my belief that ESPN has a “ grand plan “, if not just call me crazy if you don’t have better conspiracy theory’s


Fine but the "temoporary" CFP carrot goes through the 2025 season. In the AAC Strategic Plan, the Commissioner's foreword talks about "the next several critical years, where opportunities await."
Choices between now and that endstate date of 2025 that would relegate ourselves to second-class status wouldn't be a Plan B as much as it would be abandoning the Strategic Plan.
Yeah, I think it’s going to be an interesting for the next 7 years, can’t wait
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(08-16-2018 04:25 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(08-16-2018 12:09 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(08-15-2018 01:33 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  ESPN, CBS and others have already said recently they would like to see a g5 playoff so what does that mean, it means that they want two leagues that will produce a team each to play for a champion, yes I know this will make A5 fans say all kinds of nasty stuff but when the blue chip recruits start choosing, Memphis, SDSU, Boise, Houston, UCF, BYU, Cincinnati and all the rest of the g5 blue bloods, then they will have not much to say

People in Hell want Ice Water. Dude, you will find no comrades in defeatism here on this board. Try the local beer joint.
Your right it’s beer time at the joint, because it’s about 12 to 18 months untill posters like you will be able to see the writing on the wall...
Plan B

Dude how long have you followed Houston? Most of the teams in this conference have fought for decades to get into the club or back in the club and it would be absurd to just give it all up when most of them are in the closest they’ve been to it either ever or in a long long time.
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(08-15-2018 03:18 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  If P6 doesn't work, plan B is for Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF & USF to leave.

That was plan A...
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(08-15-2018 03:18 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  If P6 doesn't work, plan B is for Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF & USF to leave.

I know everybody's laughing at this, but it's probably more right than wrong.

If, somehow, the AAC leadership made the decision that the conference was going to join some union of the "G4" conferences and create a playoff, I feel quite confident that USF, UCF, Houston, Memphis, Navy, Cincinnati, Boise State and San Diego State (among others, just the ones who seem completely committed to aligning themselves with the A5 schools by any means necessary) would either create their own conference or create an "Independents Alliance" where they would play one another plus BYU in order to avoid being relegated to the kiddie table. And they'd probably do it for all sports so as to have access to an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament. So laugh away, but I think firmbizzle is right.

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(08-16-2018 09:05 AM)DowdyPirate2 Wrote:  
(08-16-2018 04:25 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(08-16-2018 12:09 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(08-15-2018 01:33 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  ESPN, CBS and others have already said recently they would like to see a g5 playoff so what does that mean, it means that they want two leagues that will produce a team each to play for a champion, yes I know this will make A5 fans say all kinds of nasty stuff but when the blue chip recruits start choosing, Memphis, SDSU, Boise, Houston, UCF, BYU, Cincinnati and all the rest of the g5 blue bloods, then they will have not much to say

People in Hell want Ice Water. Dude, you will find no comrades in defeatism here on this board. Try the local beer joint.
Your right it’s beer time at the joint, because it’s about 12 to 18 months untill posters like you will be able to see the writing on the wall...
Plan B

Dude how long have you followed Houston? Most of the teams in this conference have fought for decades to get into the club or back in the club and it would be absurd to just give it all up when most of them are in the closest they’ve been to it either ever or in a long long time.
I’ve been a cougar fan all of my life, my grandfather was the first athlete to 4 letter at UH , I like to think he helped UH golf get going in the right direction, that was before UH had football, about half my extended family went to UH so that’s about 55 years now for me being a fan, I took engineering at clear lake UH campus, no Iam not an astronaut...
I don’t want to give up anything, Iam only stating one possible future if the A6 campaign goes nowhere and yes I think the networks want two FBS divisions just jmo
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