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RE: G5 needs a g5 poll...
(08-16-2018 09:37 AM)usffan Wrote:  
(08-15-2018 03:18 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  If P6 doesn't work, plan B is for Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF & USF to leave.

I know everybody's laughing at this, but it's probably more right than wrong.

If, somehow, the AAC leadership made the decision that the conference was going to join some union of the "G4" conferences and create a playoff, I feel quite confident that USF, UCF, Houston, Memphis, Navy, Cincinnati, Boise State and San Diego State (among others, just the ones who seem completely committed to aligning themselves with the A5 schools by any means necessary) would either create their own conference or create an "Independents Alliance" where they would play one another plus BYU in order to avoid being relegated to the kiddie table. And they'd probably do it for all sports so as to have access to an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament. So laugh away, but I think firmbizzle is right.

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Dumb to think UCONN wouldn't be included.
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RE: G5 needs a g5 poll...
(08-16-2018 05:21 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(08-15-2018 05:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(08-15-2018 01:02 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(08-15-2018 12:54 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Good grief man...might as well go fcs if we are going to associate with the g4.
Ok what if a network paid bigger bucks for a G5 playoff than what we’re getting from ESPN and cfp, say a lot more, it would show case more teams and might just help with recruiting and if recruiting gets a lot better then this FCS argument in of no concern
Plan B

It’s a nice sentiment—but it ain’t happening. Despite the fact some of these bowls featuring a high ranking G5 vs another high ranking G5 are getting high ratings—we don’t see any network stepping up with big money to create a series of G5 champ vs G5 champ bowls. That tells me the fantasy of a G5 playoff being worth more than our 85 million cut of the CFP P5 Invitational is pure folly. Think about it---for just 10 million any network could put together a deal where the 4 G5 champs not in the access bowl would play each other. The payoff would be 2.5 million for each team---more than twice what any G5 bowl pays right now. Yet, at a low price of just 10 million---exactly ZERO networks have come forward to put that championship bowl series together---and somehow a G5 playoff is going to be worth more than 85 million? Not in this lifetime its not.

ive said it before---if the G5 wants to improve the quality of its post season--it needs to work within the bowl system to create a series of championship bowls with high payouts to serve as the destination for the 4 G5 champs not in the access bowl. The bowls would owned by the G5 and will be financed with some of the money the G5 gets from the CFP every year. There would be 3 games, 2 vs P5 opponents and one pitting the #3 and #4 ranked G5 champs against each other. If the G5 supports their bowls---they will be self sustaining, profitable, and will serve as big showcase platforms that will make the outcome of G5 conference races more relavant to the general public.

This.
The CFP actually paid the AAC and the G4s $91 million total each of the last two years. So JHS55's "more money" requires a LOT of money.
Let's just keep it there though at $91 million. The theory is that the networks will pay $91 million for...what? Networks pay for viewers, so what do you think you'll get? The best bowl viewership without an A5 team last year was Army-SDSU just under three and a half million viewers in a pretty sweet timeslot. That's comparable to Boise vs A5 in Vegas, or Memphis vs A5 in the Liberty and ahead of decent nonA5 games like Fresno Houston or App St Toledo. Let's go completely crazy here and say your semis beat that (four or five million viewers?) and your mythical championship beats WMU's showing in the Cotton Bowl (say six million to beat it and to approximate Boise in the Fiesta). That would be crazy viewers, too: FCS championship got a million and a half viewers last year.
So a completely insane and unrealistic 15 million viewers for three games? Even with "playoff" or "championship" hype that isn't worth a third of what the CFP currently pays.
It's ridiculous to me too that the fantasy statement that "they" would pay a G4 +AAC playoff big bucks so often comes hand in glove with statement that the same "they" won't pay $91 million for 30 AAC games that bring twenty million viewers.
If "they" really wanted to match up the two best champions not in the NY6 game in a bowl for a few million bucks...they could do that tomorrow. Oversimplification but they could and they don't.

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RE: G5 needs a g5 poll...
(08-16-2018 09:40 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(08-16-2018 09:37 AM)usffan Wrote:  
(08-15-2018 03:18 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  If P6 doesn't work, plan B is for Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF & USF to leave.

I know everybody's laughing at this, but it's probably more right than wrong.

If, somehow, the AAC leadership made the decision that the conference was going to join some union of the "G4" conferences and create a playoff, I feel quite confident that USF, UCF, Houston, Memphis, Navy, Cincinnati, Boise State and San Diego State (among others, just the ones who seem completely committed to aligning themselves with the A5 schools by any means necessary) would either create their own conference or create an "Independents Alliance" where they would play one another plus BYU in order to avoid being relegated to the kiddie table. And they'd probably do it for all sports so as to have access to an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament. So laugh away, but I think firmbizzle is right.

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Dumb to think UCONN wouldn't be included.

I only left UConn out because I know there's a subset of your fan base who are advocating for dropping football down to FCS in order to realign with the Big East. I suspect that UConn and ECU (among others) would also be in the group fighting to avoid self identifying as second class citizens.

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RE: G5 needs a g5 poll...
(08-16-2018 09:37 AM)usffan Wrote:  
(08-15-2018 03:18 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  If P6 doesn't work, plan B is for Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF & USF to leave.

I know everybody's laughing at this, but it's probably more right than wrong.

If, somehow, the AAC leadership made the decision that the conference was going to join some union of the "G4" conferences and create a playoff, I feel quite confident that USF, UCF, Houston, Memphis, Navy, Cincinnati, Boise State and San Diego State (among others, just the ones who seem completely committed to aligning themselves with the A5 schools by any means necessary) would either create their own conference or create an "Independents Alliance" where they would play one another plus BYU in order to avoid being relegated to the kiddie table. And they'd probably do it for all sports so as to have access to an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament. So laugh away, but I think firmbizzle is right.

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No AAC team would go along with it which is why it won’t happen
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RE: G5 needs a g5 poll...
(08-16-2018 09:42 AM)usffan Wrote:  
(08-16-2018 09:40 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(08-16-2018 09:37 AM)usffan Wrote:  
(08-15-2018 03:18 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  If P6 doesn't work, plan B is for Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF & USF to leave.

I know everybody's laughing at this, but it's probably more right than wrong.

If, somehow, the AAC leadership made the decision that the conference was going to join some union of the "G4" conferences and create a playoff, I feel quite confident that USF, UCF, Houston, Memphis, Navy, Cincinnati, Boise State and San Diego State (among others, just the ones who seem completely committed to aligning themselves with the A5 schools by any means necessary) would either create their own conference or create an "Independents Alliance" where they would play one another plus BYU in order to avoid being relegated to the kiddie table. And they'd probably do it for all sports so as to have access to an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament. So laugh away, but I think firmbizzle is right.

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Dumb to think UCONN wouldn't be included.

I only left UConn out because I know there's a subset of your fan base who are advocating for dropping football down to FCS in order to realign with the Big East. I suspect that UConn and ECU (among others) would also be in the group fighting to avoid self identifying as second class citizens.

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The A6 campaign is not the only way to get us above second class status, open your eyes, look around at the broader landscape of potential possibilities usffan like mybe it’s beer time?, my I introduce to you a Texas beer “ shiner bock”... cheers
Each school can get invited to A5, but that’s looking less likely every day EVERY DAY ILL TELL YA, sorry, didn’t mean to raise my voice
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(08-15-2018 12:32 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Would a separate poll for the g5 be necessary if the g5 were to hold their own playoffs

You're joking, right? I mean seriously, you are joking, right? 03-lmfao
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(08-16-2018 10:54 AM)wylioats Wrote:  
(08-15-2018 12:32 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Would a separate poll for the g5 be necessary if the g5 were to hold their own playoffs

You're joking, right? I mean seriously, you are joking, right? 03-lmfao

No, Iam not joking,... the A5 have their committee for their schools, so if the g5 found themselves in a league of our own them mybe we have our own poll, just not by some stupid bias committee
If this were to happen then mybe the AP becomes more important
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(08-15-2018 03:25 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(08-15-2018 03:18 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  If P6 doesn't work, plan B is for Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF & USF to leave.
Go where ?

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(08-16-2018 09:58 AM)DowdyPirate2 Wrote:  
(08-16-2018 09:37 AM)usffan Wrote:  
(08-15-2018 03:18 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  If P6 doesn't work, plan B is for Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF & USF to leave.

I know everybody's laughing at this, but it's probably more right than wrong.

If, somehow, the AAC leadership made the decision that the conference was going to join some union of the "G4" conferences and create a playoff, I feel quite confident that USF, UCF, Houston, Memphis, Navy, Cincinnati, Boise State and San Diego State (among others, just the ones who seem completely committed to aligning themselves with the A5 schools by any means necessary) would either create their own conference or create an "Independents Alliance" where they would play one another plus BYU in order to avoid being relegated to the kiddie table. And they'd probably do it for all sports so as to have access to an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament. So laugh away, but I think firmbizzle is right.

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No AAC team would go along with it which is why it won’t happen

Few schools from other G5 conferences want it either.
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(08-15-2018 12:45 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  G4 needs a G4 poll.


UConn needs a poll


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(08-15-2018 12:54 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Good grief man...might as well go fcs if we are going to associate with the g4.
Ok what if a network paid bigger bucks for a G5 playoff than what we’re getting from ESPN and cfp, say a lot more, it would show case more teams and might just help with recruiting and if recruiting gets a lot better then this FCS argument in of no concern
Plan B


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(08-15-2018 01:30 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Y’all are in denial, at least for a few more years.
The networks are hoping that the g5 move to a playoff and they will pay and pay they will because they know they can make it successful $$$
Recruiting will pick up, Iam hoping recruiting will get a lot better
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(08-15-2018 02:30 PM)Bearcatdh58 Wrote:  The AAC is about to collect $8M to $13M per all sports team and will join the A5 on any future split. Let the G4 go have a four team playoff among themselves. The AAC has been to 3 of 5 NY6 games and won all of them. There is scant basis for a 'plan b' for the AAC. We already have 'Plan A' media results to go along with 'Plan A' on the field results.

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You do get that nobody is in favor of this right?


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(08-15-2018 07:06 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(08-15-2018 12:45 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  G4 needs a G4 poll.

Some G4 need to give up football or at least go club level


We aren’t spending $400M to play club level. Stop listening to the OP. He doesn’t understand how any of this works.


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