(08-12-2018 06:25 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(08-12-2018 05:37 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  I should have titled it FCS schools with bottom twenty FCS facilities.
Montana , JMU or NMSU would be picked ahead of any SBC . Along with several other G5 if in the right area. I included NMSU because they lack an FBS conference.
NDSU, UNI, UI would all be there if their domes get expanded to twenty thousand.
Considering they double as IPF s and all will have new or newly renovated arenas soon.

The easiest thing to do would be to make football a non NCAA sport and exempt it from title nine. Allow football only conferences. That would fix some realignment mistakes . Reorganize olympic sports into more sensible geographic conferences.

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I dont know much about FCS facitilites outside of the Texas schools and the big ones you mentioned, but why would you compare the bottom 20 FCS facilities? Just looking at pictures the UNI Dome doesn't seem very nice at all, same with Kibbie Dome but I already knew that and I seem to remember reading an idaho fan saying it would be extremely hard to expand, if true I imagine the other domes would be too.

I dont think JMUs stadium is nicer than ours, Troy's, App's, or GSU based on lopsidedness and exterior. Now I might could agree about Montanas since theirs looks better inside but theirs looks bad on the outside as well. Obviously I am biased though. Just like you.

Having been to a game at Washington-Grizzly, and having toured your stadium, Wa-Griz is much better. But you have a very good stadium, just not Wa-Griz level, IMHO. Part of it is the setting as well.

(08-12-2018 01:50 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Yale Bowl is mesmerizing. Too bad FBS games aren’t played there.

Change isn’t something the Ivy is known for, but I don’t think the desire for an extra game and finding some way to embrace what the Patriot did to help get themselves FBS games is completely dead. More likely, I see more scheduling autonomy like what Army did creating opportunities for schools to get games against the Ivy. Change will cause FBS to come to them. I suspect a few would travel to these places, too, like to the Yale Bowl.

In basketball, quality’s much easier to spot in places. Heck, Chicago State has zero right to have what it does. BB&T at NKU is already a gem. I suspect that over time, Alico at FGCU can get bigger and nicer, too.

(08-12-2018 06:40 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  I guess I am biased .
My thinking is if seating is over 20k a dome should get bonus points.
Loudness of a dome NDSU is famous for it other domes same effect if full.
They double as the IPF .
Student attendance is a problem everywhere. Weather is often cited as a G5 attendance killer as well.
Fans are less likely to sit in the cold or rain going forward.
So for weather challenged non P5 schools a 20k dome is equal or better than a mid twenties open air stadium.
No dome like that exist but expansion is possible.

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Sometimes it is best not to speculate on things about which you haven't yet gotten pretty sound information. It can save getting folks riled up.

Big deal we got a basketball arena that is P5 worthy. One of the very best facilities for college baseball in the nation. Quality facilities for volleyball, soccer, and softball. Doesn't mean we are ready for FBS.

(08-12-2018 06:40 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  I guess I am biased .
My thinking is if seating is over 20k a dome should get bonus points.
Loudness of a dome NDSU is famous for it other domes same effect if full.
They double as the IPF .
Student attendance is a problem everywhere. Weather is often cited as a G5 attendance killer as well.
Fans are less likely to sit in the cold or rain going forward.
So for weather challenged non P5 schools a 20k dome is equal or better than a mid twenties open air stadium.
No dome like that exist but expansion is possible.

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For the record, the Fargodome(NDSU) doesn't really double as an IPF. Some part of it is in use about 300 days a year and NDSU only accounts for about 10%-15% of that(it's a city-owned facility). It's why NDSU has 2 grass & 1 turf practice fields, a small turf stadium(the old FB home that is now used for soccer), and a bubble on that field during the winter. Also, plans were just announced for a formal football IPF to be built where the current practice fields are. NDSU will go from 2 grass/1 turf outdoor fields to 1 turf outdoor and 1 turf indoor fields with both connected by 10 slide-up doors. The facility will include a locker room, meeting rooms, a training room, and a weight room.

https://spark.adobe.com/page/lssl2Kbdld4hA/

NDSU football also benefits from a new weight room that was part of the rebuild of our basketball arena and main athletic building(SHAC). It would have been far better to tear it down and start from scratch, but fundraising was an issue, and reusing the structural steel and most of the concrete saved about 35% the cost of the project. (very roughly, the project cost about $45M - the money saved was around $15M)

https://gobison.com/news/2016/6/24/gener...mplex.aspx
(play the video for details)

Football offices in the lower level of the Fargodome are fairly nice.
https://gobison.com/facilities/?id=34 (photo gallery)


The rest of NDSU athletic facilities:
Baseball - http://ballparkreviews.com/template2.php...h%20Dakota
Indoor T&F - https://gobison.com/facilities/?id=5
Outdoor T&F - https://gobison.com/facilities/?id=6
Soccer - https://gobison.com/facilities/?id=30
Volleyball - https://gobison.com/facilities/?id=3
Softball - https://gobison.com/facilities/?id=36 (getting artificial turf right now)
Basketball/Wrestling/Golf/Support - https://gobison.com/facilities/?id=37 (the pulldown on the virtual tour can take you to each part of the facility)

Nice thing about NDSU athletic facilities is that they are all located together in a contiguous 12 square block area(except for VB). It's easy to see from Google Maps satellite view. Just find the Fargodome and look south, or find NDSU and look north.

He did not say football facilities alone. What I am talking about is that facilities overall no matter how big or small they are, it does not mean that they have ugly facilities. Arkansas Tech have been improving on their facilities since I went there, and they are a lot nicer looking than schools in D1.

We have schools that said that they are interested in going to FBS and have upgrading their facilities.
James madison U.
Delaware
Jacksonville State
Eastern Kentucky somewhat
Northern Iowa
Stony Brook
Lamar

Schhols who have been quiet, but upgrading their facilities.
UCA
Montana
Montana State
North Dakota
North Dakota State
South Dakota
South Dakota State
Missouri State and several others.

Schools want to be prepared for the next realignment.

(08-12-2018 07:43 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-12-2018 01:50 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Yale Bowl is mesmerizing. Too bad FBS games aren’t played there.

Change isn’t something the Ivy is known for, but I don’t think the desire for an extra game and finding some way to embrace what the Patriot did to help get themselves FBS games is completely dead. More likely, I see more scheduling autonomy like what Army did creating opportunities for schools to get games against the Ivy. Change will cause FBS to come to them. I suspect a few would travel to these places, too, like to the Yale Bowl.

In basketball, quality’s much easier to spot in places. Heck, Chicago State has zero right to have what it does. BB&T at NKU is already a gem. I suspect that over time, Alico at FGCU can get bigger and nicer, too.

I'm with you there. I grew up in Ithaca and went to games at Schoellkopf Field and Barton Hall. It was a big thing when the new (it's almost 30 years old now) arena was built and games moved out of the airplane hanger. Short of their football stadium being condemned, folks 100 years from now will still be peeing into troughs and the boxes will still be exposed to the elements at the top of the crescent.

(08-12-2018 03:34 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(08-12-2018 11:03 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  Which are the bottom 10 FBS schools?

Just my opinion going only off of aesthetics and not program success or atmosphere I'd go with:

ULM
San Jose State
New Mexico State
Georgia Southern
UTSA
Coastal
EMU
Kent St
Buffalo
Old Dominion

I'm mostly going off of football stadiums since I'm not too familiar with the baseball and basketball facilities of most non Sun Belt schools except for UTSA. I put them on the list because their basketball and baseball facilities are awful and they don't have their own football stadium.

If you're just looking at football stadiums that's fair. Most of our stadium is 70 years old. But it's coming down after this season. Not true for other sports though.

(08-12-2018 03:34 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(08-12-2018 11:03 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  Which are the bottom 10 FBS schools?

Just my opinion going only off of aesthetics and not program success or atmosphere I'd go with:

ULM
San Jose State
New Mexico State
Georgia Southern
UTSA
Coastal
EMU
Kent St
Buffalo
Old Dominion

I'm mostly going off of football stadiums since I'm not too familiar with the baseball and basketball facilities of most non Sun Belt schools except for UTSA. I put them on the list because their basketball and baseball facilities are awful and they don't have their own football stadium.

It is difficult to rate stadiums, but I went to the Texas State game at San Jose State in October of 2012 and it was a good experience. It's a 30,000 seat stadium and we got tickets on the 50 yard line for $39 per seat. The sight lines were good and they had a nice beer garden that we visited at halftime. Afterwards, we went to a place called Henry's World Famous Hi-Life for some barbecue and hung out for a few hours with some of the locals. It was a fun experience, except the final score of 31-20.

The Pan American Center at NMSU is very nice. A nice place to watch a basketball game or concert. I have never been inside the football stadium at NMSU, but it looks good from the outside.

(08-12-2018 03:34 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(08-12-2018 11:03 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  Which are the bottom 10 FBS schools?

Just my opinion going only off of aesthetics and not program success or atmosphere I'd go with:

ULM
San Jose State
New Mexico State
Georgia Southern
UTSA
Coastal
EMU
Kent St
Buffalo
Old Dominion

I'm mostly going off of football stadiums since I'm not too familiar with the baseball and basketball facilities of most non Sun Belt schools except for UTSA. I put them on the list because their basketball and baseball facilities are awful and they don't have their own football stadium.

(08-12-2018 05:37 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  I should have titled it FCS schools with bottom twenty FCS facilities.
Montana , JMU or NMSU would be picked ahead of any SBC . Along with several other G5 if in the right area. I included NMSU because they lack an FBS conference.
NDSU, UNI, UI would all be there if their domes get expanded to twenty thousand.
Considering they double as IPF s and all will have new or newly renovated arenas soon.

The easiest thing to do would be to make football a non NCAA sport and exempt it from title nine. Allow football only conferences. That would fix some realignment mistakes . Reorganize olympic sports into more sensible geographic conferences.

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Someone is still salty I see

Whomever the "bottom ten" is, if someone's selling point is just being better than the bottom ten, that's no selling point at all.

Show me a job applicant whose sales pitch to Apple or Pfizer or Citibank is, "I'm better than your ten worst employees," and I'll show you a job applicant who is not going to get a job offer.

EWU's Future

Lynn Hickey took over the as an interim at EWU's athletics department from UTSA. She helped spearheaded UTSA from a Southland Conference school to an FBS school. She is spearheading the effort to turn EWU around, hitting the road, looking for donations, and to update their facilities including Roos Field. The stadium needs a lot of new stuff including adding seats. EWU is a top FCS school that could compete against FBS schools. I wonder if her goals in helping EWU down the road to the future of getting them to become an FBS team in the future? She is holding all the plans to her vest on what the school will become in the future.

(08-13-2018 12:02 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(08-12-2018 05:37 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  I should have titled it FCS schools with bottom twenty FCS facilities.
Montana , JMU or NMSU would be picked ahead of any SBC . Along with several other G5 if in the right area. I included NMSU because they lack an FBS conference.
NDSU, UNI, UI would all be there if their domes get expanded to twenty thousand.
Considering they double as IPF s and all will have new or newly renovated arenas soon.

The easiest thing to do would be to make football a non NCAA sport and exempt it from title nine. Allow football only conferences. That would fix some realignment mistakes . Reorganize olympic sports into more sensible geographic conferences.

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Someone is still salty I see

No not really CCU got the call up my neighborhood team.
I like Georgia Southern and their stadium.
App St has great fan support and a good location.
JMU.did turn them down and half the conference left.
Troy , Louisiana and Ark St have all made great strides.
I still believe NMSU would get.picked over any of them if they had the right geography.


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(08-13-2018 12:27 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Whomever the "bottom ten" is, if someone's selling point is just being better than the bottom ten, that's no selling point at all.

Show me a job applicant whose sales pitch to Apple or Pfizer or Citibank is, "I'm better than your ten worst employees," and I'll show you a job applicant who is not going to get a job offer.

I figured titling it that way would eliminate the negative post of what FBS should be.
Some believe you need forty thousand seats . Most of the G5 need to drop or the P5 pull away.

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CCU stadium expansion thirty two million.
List schools that could have similar facilities with a similar investment.
NDSU Fargo dome adding 1200 seats in corners I read.
Montana = 0 investment needed.
Montana St end zone seating needed
Portland St Football stadium getting expansion for soccer = no investment needed.
UNI ? nice arena not sure if dome can be expanded.
JMU= no investment needed
Idaho 27 million dome expansion = 20,900
U Mass add three thousand football seats.

I imagine there are quite a few schools who could have done what CCU is doing.
Coastal will benefit greatly if they develop rivalries with App and GSU.

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(08-13-2018 04:49 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  CCU stadium expansion thirty two million.
List schools that could have similar facilities with a similar investment.
NDSU Fargo dome adding 1200 seats in corners I read.
Montana = 0 investment needed.
Montana St end zone seating needed
Portland St Football stadium getting expansion for soccer = no investment needed.
UNI ? nice arena not sure if dome can be expanded.
JMU= no investment needed
Idaho 27 million dome expansion = 20,900
U Mass add three thousand football seats.

I imagine there are quite a few schools who could have done what CCU is doing.
Coastal will benefit greatly if they develop rivalries with App and GSU.

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I read somewhere Delaware is doing something to their stadium right now.
Delaware's $60 Million Dollar Facelift
Stony Brook is said to have plans to expand their stadium. Stony Brook is at 12300 capacity. They are adding another 2000 or so more seats to get up there to 15,000 capacity. If they have enough room for temp seatings? They could be at 15,000 +.
Albany have an 8500 seat stadium which could be expanded to 24,000.