(08-29-2018 08:08 PM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote: Maryland hasn't played a game yet this season but it seems almost inevitable that Durkin will be fired. So let the coaching rumors begin
(08-29-2018 08:08 PM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote: Maryland hasn't played a game yet this season but it seems almost inevitable that Durkin will be fired. So let the coaching rumors begin
If they beats Texas and gets them to a bowl, he just might get the job.
If they end up in the cellar of the B1G East, I think they look elsewhere.
The track record for interim coaches who take over for a season before it starts isn't very good.
Being a program in arguably one of the top 2 conferences plus having that recruiting area, they won't have to worry about a lack of candidates.
I've been high on Matt Canada for a long, long time. IMO he's going to be a great head coach when given the chance. Maryland was picked to be near the cellar of the Big 10 East to begin with so I don't know how you can hold him responsible for that with all the distractions going on. If they don't give him an honest shot eventually someone will and they'll live to regret letting him slip away.
Sometimes you have to be bold and take a chance. Thank God Terry Don Phillips did in 2008. Dabo certainly didn't wow anyone with his record as interim coach but I'd say things turned out pretty good in the end.
Top story on Reddit this morning is on a user who smacked the ever loving **** out of UMD football and that 10-man formation stunt they pulled in honor of the deceased player.
(09-02-2018 07:28 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote: Top story on Reddit this morning is on a user who smacked the ever loving **** out of UMD football and that 10-man formation stunt they pulled in honor of the deceased player.
Whether the user leaked another person’s work...this work put it together and now people are going to see it.
Whomever it was kinda came off as a holier than thou windbag to me.
What he seemed to miss in all his ranting and raving is that the ones who would suffer the most under his "idea" are the Maryland Football players. Most of those coaches will get other jobs as would administrative people.
The only thing burning it to the ground would do is hurt the other kids on the team. Fire coaches? Yes. Fire administrators and university big-wigs? Yes. To be, quite frankly, a deek to the kids who were trying to show some unity and respect is a slap in the face to THEM.
This guy seems to be focusing his "outrage" at the wrong source.
(09-02-2018 07:28 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote: Top story on Reddit this morning is on a user who smacked the ever loving **** out of UMD football and that 10-man formation stunt they pulled in honor of the deceased player.
Whether the user leaked another person’s work...this work put it together and now people are going to see it.
Whomever it was kinda came off as a holier than thou windbag to me.
What he seemed to miss in all his ranting and raving is that the ones who would suffer the most under his "idea" are the Maryland Football players. Most of those coaches will get other jobs as would administrative people.
The only thing burning it to the ground would do is hurt the other kids on the team. Fire coaches? Yes. Fire administrators and university big-wigs? Yes. To be, quite frankly, a deek to the kids who were trying to show some unity and respect is a slap in the face to THEM.
This guy seems to be focusing his "outrage" at the wrong source.
IMO.....
I think the outrage is pointed at the whole construct, but at UMD administration specifically. That the players are screwed no matter what and that these coaches could land anywhere and it being this bad pretty much everywhere.
I definetly believe football’s popularity has a big day of reckoning in the future. Because of how ridiculously terrible it has gotten at the collegiate level, it’s probably much sooner.
This younger, more progressive/social media-saturated generation is more skeptical of higher ed AND irreverant than those before them...I can’t blame them when crap like this is out there. A kid friggin died, and the school just circled its wagons to get control of it and dictate the story. They don’t get the right to do that...or, at least they shouldn’t when it turns out they’re trying to bury it.
(This post was last modified: 09-03-2018 03:44 PM by The Cutter of Bish.)
(09-02-2018 07:28 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote: Top story on Reddit this morning is on a user who smacked the ever loving **** out of UMD football and that 10-man formation stunt they pulled in honor of the deceased player.
Whether the user leaked another person’s work...this work put it together and now people are going to see it.
Whomever it was kinda came off as a holier than thou windbag to me.
What he seemed to miss in all his ranting and raving is that the ones who would suffer the most under his "idea" are the Maryland Football players. Most of those coaches will get other jobs as would administrative people.
The only thing burning it to the ground would do is hurt the other kids on the team. Fire coaches? Yes. Fire administrators and university big-wigs? Yes. To be, quite frankly, a deek to the kids who were trying to show some unity and respect is a slap in the face to THEM.
This guy seems to be focusing his "outrage" at the wrong source.
IMO.....
I think the outrage is pointed at the whole construct, but at UMD administration specifically. That the players are screwed no matter what and that these coaches could land anywhere and it being this bad pretty much everywhere.
I definetly believe football’s popularity has a big day of reckoning in the future. Because of how ridiculously terrible it has gotten at the collegiate level, it’s probably much sooner.
This younger, more progressive/social media-saturated generation is more skeptical of higher ed AND irreverant than those before them...I can’t blame them when crap like this is out there. A kid friggin died, and the school just circled its wagons to get control of it and dictate the story. They don’t get the right to do that...or, at least they shouldn’t when it turns out they’re trying to bury it.
There's two separate issues as far as I can see.
Yes, a kid died, which speaks to the "culture" of the program and it's coaches. That would be the how & why it got to that point.
The other is the circling of the wagons as you said. This shouldn't surprise anyone. Business, politics, religion, education..... When there's a tragedy or serious incident, they ALL circle the wagons. The optics might not look good, but from a legal standpoint, it makes perfect sense. Control the information until your legal team has the chance to determine the correct course of action. Admitting anything in public could come back to bite you, best to let those who know what they're doing straighten it out.
The social media generation doesn't quite get that sports and especially football is worth hundreds of millions to these schools. For that level of money, shortcuts will be taken, things will be overlooked, and issues will be swept under the table. It's easy to be on the soapbox when you've got nothing to lose.
I still think the way the Maryland players handled their tribute to their teammate was honorable and classy. That seems to be getting lost.
(09-03-2018 07:32 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote: The social media generation doesn't quite get that sports and especially football is worth hundreds of millions to these schools. For that level of money, shortcuts will be taken, things will be overlooked, and issues will be swept under the table. It's easy to be on the soapbox when you've got nothing to lose.
I still think the way the Maryland players handled their tribute to their teammate was honorable and classy. That seems to be getting lost.
On the surface, I think younger folks know athletics didn’t pull that kind of money when they were born. That these media and marketing mega-deals were something that happened in their lifetime, while tuition and student debt also skyrocketed. Toss in this other “injustice collecting” and young angst and you get what you get.
But, you’re right...there’s a ton of money folks don’t see with this. That successful, top sports can bring in more apps, better enrollment stats, more donations across the institution...that athletics can be and is still an arm for the school’s mission.
I don’t disagree that the team (specifically, the players) should have done something. Sadly, no matter what, I’m sure someone was bound to complain. However, showing the coach getting into it spoiled it for me.
(09-03-2018 08:16 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote: On the surface, I think younger folks know athletics didn’t pull that kind of money when they were born. That these media and marketing mega-deals were something that happened in their lifetime, while tuition and student debt also skyrocketed.
That's a larger issue that isn't directly related to Maryland's football mess. Students today are paying 5 or 6 times the tuition I paid and at least 3 times as much for housing (in the Bay Area, at least, and probably also near Maryland's campus). They are probably leaving school with a lot of debt, and their post-graduation job prospects are not nearly as good. It's very understandable if they don't have the same warm fuzzy feelings about their alma mater, or the same willingness to easily forgive every university screwup, as most of us older folks.
(09-03-2018 08:16 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote: On the surface, I think younger folks know athletics didn’t pull that kind of money when they were born. That these media and marketing mega-deals were something that happened in their lifetime, while tuition and student debt also skyrocketed.
That's a larger issue that isn't directly related to Maryland's football mess. Students today are paying 5 or 6 times the tuition I paid and at least 3 times as much for housing (in the Bay Area, at least, and probably also near Maryland's campus). They are probably leaving school with a lot of debt, and their post-graduation job prospects are not nearly as good. It's very understandable if they don't have the same warm fuzzy feelings about their alma mater, or the same willingness to easily forgive every university screwup, as most of us older folks.
It's interesting to me that these kids are fully aware of that larger issue you eluded to but aren't willing to direct some of their anger in that direction.
I have a cousin who works in the financial aid department of a fairly large state university. She says the skyrocketing costs can be directly related to the amount of involvement (ie: money) the federal government puts into "education". When the feds basically took over the student loan sector of financial aid, it was like giving universities a blank check. They raise tuition, the government responds by putting more money into the system. The universities, in turn, figure out that "the game" is they can just keep raising tuition because the feds will just turn around and throw more money into the "programs". That's why many of these schools are on spending sprees building "facilities" making "improvements". If I were a student of a parent of a child ready to become a student, I'd be livid, but most aren't because that circle is a dirty little secret.
Yes, it's a tragedy that a kid was killed because a coaching staff went over the top with that "tough guy, machismo" BS, but venting frustration for everything toward the football team seems to be picking off low hanging fruit.
(This post was last modified: 09-04-2018 07:49 AM by BadgerMJ.)
(09-03-2018 08:16 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote: On the surface, I think younger folks know athletics didn’t pull that kind of money when they were born. That these media and marketing mega-deals were something that happened in their lifetime, while tuition and student debt also skyrocketed.
That's a larger issue that isn't directly related to Maryland's football mess. Students today are paying 5 or 6 times the tuition I paid and at least 3 times as much for housing (in the Bay Area, at least, and probably also near Maryland's campus). They are probably leaving school with a lot of debt, and their post-graduation job prospects are not nearly as good. It's very understandable if they don't have the same warm fuzzy feelings about their alma mater, or the same willingness to easily forgive every university screwup, as most of us older folks.
It's interesting to me that these kids are fully aware of that larger issue you eluded to but aren't willing to direct some of their anger in that direction.
I have a cousin who works in the financial aid department of a fairly large state university. She says the skyrocketing costs can be directly related to the amount of involvement (ie: money) the federal government puts into "education". When the feds basically took over the student loan sector of financial aid, it was like giving universities a blank check. They raise tuition, the government responds by putting more money into the system. The universities, in turn, figure out that "the game" is they can just keep raising tuition because the feds will just turn around and throw more money into the "programs". That's why many of these schools are on spending sprees building "facilities" making "improvements". If I were a student of a parent of a child ready to become a student, I'd be livid, but most aren't because that circle is a dirty little secret.
Yes, it's a tragedy that a kid was killed because a coaching staff went over the top with that "tough guy, machismo" BS, but venting frustration for everything toward the football team seems to be picking off low hanging fruit.
Students and recent alums are still justified if they blame the colleges for higher tuition, even if they should also be blaming the feds for guaranteeing so many student loans.
Either way, students/alums of this generation look at everything about their school, including athletics, skeptically and not romantically.
(09-03-2018 08:16 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote: On the surface, I think younger folks know athletics didn’t pull that kind of money when they were born. That these media and marketing mega-deals were something that happened in their lifetime, while tuition and student debt also skyrocketed.
That's a larger issue that isn't directly related to Maryland's football mess. Students today are paying 5 or 6 times the tuition I paid and at least 3 times as much for housing (in the Bay Area, at least, and probably also near Maryland's campus). They are probably leaving school with a lot of debt, and their post-graduation job prospects are not nearly as good. It's very understandable if they don't have the same warm fuzzy feelings about their alma mater, or the same willingness to easily forgive every university screwup, as most of us older folks.
It's interesting to me that these kids are fully aware of that larger issue you eluded to but aren't willing to direct some of their anger in that direction.
I have a cousin who works in the financial aid department of a fairly large state university. She says the skyrocketing costs can be directly related to the amount of involvement (ie: money) the federal government puts into "education". When the feds basically took over the student loan sector of financial aid, it was like giving universities a blank check. They raise tuition, the government responds by putting more money into the system. The universities, in turn, figure out that "the game" is they can just keep raising tuition because the feds will just turn around and throw more money into the "programs". That's why many of these schools are on spending sprees building "facilities" making "improvements". If I were a student of a parent of a child ready to become a student, I'd be livid, but most aren't because that circle is a dirty little secret.
Yes, it's a tragedy that a kid was killed because a coaching staff went over the top with that "tough guy, machismo" BS, but venting frustration for everything toward the football team seems to be picking off low hanging fruit.
Students and recent alums are still justified if they blame the colleges for higher tuition, even if they should also be blaming the feds for guaranteeing so many student loans.
Either way, students/alums of this generation look at everything about their school, including athletics, skeptically and not romantically.
If it means less 50-60 somethings dressing up like THIS, I'm all for it.....
(09-04-2018 07:47 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote: Yes, it's a tragedy that a kid was killed because a coaching staff went over the top with that "tough guy, machismo" BS, but venting frustration for everything toward the football team seems to be picking off low hanging fruit.
But common for injustice collecting. I hate you for these valid reasons...oh, and you suck because of these other unrelated ones, too. Like, Maryland, you suck because of Penn State, Ohio State, Baylor, Michigan State...you're all the same to me. Yeah, not really fair to UMD football players.
I do think there is some awareness and positioning/targeting that frustration at the larger issue, though, toward higher ed as a whole. Enrollment has opened up more toward international students, and that comes as younger populations resist immediately entering college the same way the previous two generations did. Continuous donations from alumni are challenged, too.
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