(08-12-2018 11:56 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-12-2018 11:43 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Populism and mob rule....yeah that sounds about right. The founding fathers were truly inspired people. We are not it seems.

then lets make Hillary VP like our founding fathers planned.

12th Amendment.

People who don’t like the Electoral College are free to try and enact the 28th Amendment, if they can. Sounds like Cohen is working on that, now.

(08-12-2018 12:03 PM)Claw Wrote:  John Kasich will hand the White House to the Democrats.

Either he will be their nominee, or his third party run will siphon off enough votes for a Democratic victory.

Either way, Kasich is THE problem for the Republicans.

It’s not widely talked-about but Kasich actually has a very staunch anti-abortion record (both as Governor and in Congress). I just don’t see any possible way that he could get the Democrats’ nomination with that on his résumé.

Could he be the Libertarians’ next nominee? I’m honestly not sure what the state of play is over there. Kasich doesn’t really give off a Libertarian vibe to me, but who knows. Stranger things have happened.

The Democrats could probably clean up if they ran a middle-of-the-road candidate on a 'return to normalcy' campaign against Trump's excesses, which I think would be a message that would resonate with a lot of independents. So naturally they'll probably get the leftmost candidate out there in the field.

(08-14-2018 06:10 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  The Democrats could probably clean up if they ran a middle-of-the-road candidate on a 'return to normalcy' campaign against Trump's excesses, which I think would be a message that would resonate with a lot of independents.

Only one problem with that idea. They don’t have one of those.

(08-14-2018 06:20 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 06:10 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  The Democrats could probably clean up if they ran a middle-of-the-road candidate on a 'return to normalcy' campaign against Trump's excesses, which I think would be a message that would resonate with a lot of independents. So naturally they'll probably get the leftmost candidate out there in the field.

Only one problem with that idea. They don’t have one of those.

they have plenty of these though......

(08-14-2018 06:20 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 06:10 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  The Democrats could probably clean up if they ran a middle-of-the-road candidate on a 'return to normalcy' campaign against Trump's excesses, which I think would be a message that would resonate with a lot of independents. So naturally they'll probably get the leftmost candidate out there in the field.

Only one problem with that idea. They don’t have one of those.

In the general election at least. In terms of independents who'll vote in the primary, completely agree.

(08-12-2018 02:18 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Could he be the Libertarians’ next nominee? I’m honestly not sure what the state of play is over there. Kasich doesn’t really give off a Libertarian vibe to me, but who knows. Stranger things have happened.

The liberaltarians are so desperate for legitimacy they put a big government RINO on their Presidential ticket in 2016.

(08-14-2018 08:03 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-12-2018 02:18 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Could he be the Libertarians’ next nominee? I’m honestly not sure what the state of play is over there. Kasich doesn’t really give off a Libertarian vibe to me, but who knows. Stranger things have happened.

The liberaltarians are so desperate for legitimacy they put a big government RINO on their Presidential ticket in 2016.

and that plan played out as it should.....

I swear these whackjobs are only in for air time and profiteering......

they'll NEVER have a chance in a two party system.....it's too embedded at this point....

what a waste of fk'n time....

(08-14-2018 08:03 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-12-2018 02:18 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Could he be the Libertarians’ next nominee? I’m honestly not sure what the state of play is over there. Kasich doesn’t really give off a Libertarian vibe to me, but who knows. Stranger things have happened.

The liberaltarians are so desperate for legitimacy they put a big government RINO on their Presidential ticket in 2016.

That's the first time I've heard Gary Johnson and big government used non-ironically in the same sentence. If Gary Johnson is big government I can only assume you found Mark Sanford to be Karl Marx himself.

(08-14-2018 08:29 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 08:03 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-12-2018 02:18 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Could he be the Libertarians’ next nominee? I’m honestly not sure what the state of play is over there. Kasich doesn’t really give off a Libertarian vibe to me, but who knows. Stranger things have happened.

The liberaltarians are so desperate for legitimacy they put a big government RINO on their Presidential ticket in 2016.

That's the first time I've heard Gary Johnson and big government used non-ironically in the same sentence. If Gary Johnson is big government I can only assume you found Mark Sanford to be Karl Marx himself.

not speaking for Kap, but help me understand how GJ would've changed a dayum thing in the scope of reducing big goverment.....you can begin with only a handful of statements......I'm all ears.....

I already knew how DJT would attack.....and there's no question it's still the #DJTexperiment.....however, so far, pretty fk'n good, eh?

(08-14-2018 08:03 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-12-2018 02:18 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Could he be the Libertarians’ next nominee? I’m honestly not sure what the state of play is over there. Kasich doesn’t really give off a Libertarian vibe to me, but who knows. Stranger things have happened.

The liberaltarians are so desperate for legitimacy they put a big government RINO on their Presidential ticket in 2016.

I think that would be more accurate about 2008, if you're talking about the top of the ticket. If you're including the VP nominee, I can see where that could apply to Weld.

(08-14-2018 08:38 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 08:03 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-12-2018 02:18 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Could he be the Libertarians’ next nominee? I’m honestly not sure what the state of play is over there. Kasich doesn’t really give off a Libertarian vibe to me, but who knows. Stranger things have happened.

The liberaltarians are so desperate for legitimacy they put a big government RINO on their Presidential ticket in 2016.

I think that would be more accurate about 2008, if you're talking about the top of the ticket. If you're including the VP nominee, I can see where that could apply to Weld.

regardless, why does the party matter?

the chance of winning is 0....every time

why vote for 0

why vote for something that can only lend to dem = 1

it's ironic how the divisiveness within donk land is currently where it sits....

(08-14-2018 08:34 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  not speaking for Kap, but help me understand how GJ would've changed a dayum thing in the scope of reducing big goverment.....you can begin with only a handful of statements......I'm all ears.....

I already knew how DJT would attack.....and there's no question it's still the #DJTexperiment.....however, so far, pretty fk'n good, eh?

Same way he did in New Mexico: heavy use of veto, managed attrition of government workers, and in the case of the WH the executive order pen.

And no, I do not agree that the Trump experiment is "pretty f'n good". Trump is really good at causing SJWs and the far left to meltdown under their own insanity. He's good at making his enemies fall apart. He might be good at using nasty tools to get American interests considered more seriously with foreign powers (jury is still out on that). He's so far terrible at actually fixing anything, particularly domestically. We're half way through the first term. We've got modest tax improvements to show for it and nothing else. And he has shown that loyalty to him is more important that issues. With the speed of a tweet he helped defeat Mark Sanford, one of maybe two dozen members of Congress who are actually serious about balancing the budget and restoring some damn Constitutional sanity in DC. Why? Sanford wasn't loyal enough. In Trump's world, loyalty to him supersedes the greater good. That's the antithesis of a good President.

(08-14-2018 08:45 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 08:34 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  not speaking for Kap, but help me understand how GJ would've changed a dayum thing in the scope of reducing big goverment.....you can begin with only a handful of statements......I'm all ears.....

I already knew how DJT would attack.....and there's no question it's still the #DJTexperiment.....however, so far, pretty fk'n good, eh?

Same way he did in New Mexico: heavy use of veto, managed attrition of government workers, and in the case of the WH the executive order pen.

And no, I do not agree that the Trump experiment is "pretty f'n good". Trump is really good at causing SJWs and the far left to meltdown under their own insanity. He's good at making his enemies fall apart. He might be good at using nasty tools to get American interests considered more seriously with foreign powers (jury is still out on that). He's so far terrible at actually fixing anything, particularly domestically. We're half way through the first term. We've got modest tax improvements to show for it and nothing else. And he has shown that loyalty to him is more important that issues. With the speed of a tweet he helped defeat Mark Sanford, one of maybe two dozen members of Congress who are actually serious about balancing the budget and restoring some damn Constitutional sanity in DC. Why? Sanford wasn't loyal enough. In Trump's world, loyalty to him supersedes the greater good. That's the antithesis of a good President.

way too many sentences.....

all economic metrics are off the chart moving upward.....

you whackjobs focus of how he deflects with his pompous personality while he's changing shite behind the curtain that actually fk'n matters....

continue to enjoy and embrace that psyche.....I'll continue to puff puff pass on that bs....

(08-14-2018 08:45 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 08:34 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  not speaking for Kap, but help me understand how GJ would've changed a dayum thing in the scope of reducing big goverment.....you can begin with only a handful of statements......I'm all ears.....
I already knew how DJT would attack.....and there's no question it's still the #DJTexperiment.....however, so far, pretty fk'n good, eh?

Same way he did in New Mexico: heavy use of veto, managed attrition of government workers, and in the case of the WH the executive order pen.
And no, I do not agree that the Trump experiment is "pretty f'n good". Trump is really good at causing SJWs and the far left to meltdown under their own insanity. He's good at making his enemies fall apart. He might be good at using nasty tools to get American interests considered more seriously with foreign powers (jury is still out on that). He's so far terrible at actually fixing anything, particularly domestically. We're half way through the first term. We've got modest tax improvements to show for it and nothing else. And he has shown that loyalty to him is more important that issues. With the speed of a tweet he helped defeat Mark Sanford, one of maybe two dozen members of Congress who are actually serious about balancing the budget and restoring some damn Constitutional sanity in DC. Why? Sanford wasn't loyal enough. In Trump's world, loyalty to him supersedes the greater good. That's the antithesis of a good President.

I share your concerns. I don't think he's really gotten much done compared t what I would like to see. Of course, at least part of that is because the republican congress, particularly its leaders, have been pretty pathetic. OK, Mitch got us Gorsuch instead of Garland. Great. What else has he done?

(08-14-2018 06:10 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  The Democrats could probably clean up if they ran a middle-of-the-road candidate on a 'return to normalcy' campaign against Trump's excesses, which I think would be a message that would resonate with a lot of independents. So naturally they'll probably get the leftmost candidate out there in the field.

What are Trump’s excesses? He’s spending too much for my liking, but Dems love spending, so that shouldn’t matter to them.

(08-14-2018 08:50 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  way too many sentences.....

all economic metrics are off the chart moving upward.....

you whackjobs focus of how he deflects with his pompous personality while he's changing shite behind the curtain that actually fk'n matters....

continue to enjoy and embrace that psyche.....I'll continue to puff puff pass on that bs....

The President isn't responsible for the economy. The President can only ruin the economy not improve it. The President can however get out of the way, unburden the economy from unnecessary regulations and micromanagement, give a full throated defense of English Common Law, and then get the hell out of the way while the REAL people behind the economy do the actual work.

I find people who give Trump credit for this economy just as misguided as Democrats who gave Clinton credit for the .com boom.

There is one .... ONE .... area where you can expressly say Trump contributed to the economy: massive capital flight back into the United States from the Eurozone and China as Trump hastens both along their inexorable path to collapse.

(08-14-2018 08:54 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 06:10 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  The Democrats could probably clean up if they ran a middle-of-the-road candidate on a 'return to normalcy' campaign against Trump's excesses, which I think would be a message that would resonate with a lot of independents. So naturally they'll probably get the leftmost candidate out there in the field.

What are Trump’s excesses? He’s spending too much for my liking, but Dems love spending, so that shouldn’t matter to them.

any spending argument from the left is off the chart illogical.....

(08-14-2018 08:55 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 08:50 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  way too many sentences.....

all economic metrics are off the chart moving upward.....

you whackjobs focus of how he deflects with his pompous personality while he's changing shite behind the curtain that actually fk'n matters....

continue to enjoy and embrace that psyche.....I'll continue to puff puff pass on that bs....

The President isn't responsible for the economy. The President can only ruin the economy not improve it. The President can however get out of the way, unburden the economy from unnecessary regulations and micromanagement, give a full throated defense of English Common Law, and then get the hell out of the way while the REAL people behind the economy do the actual work.

I find people who give Trump credit for this economy just as misguided as Democrats who gave Clinton credit for the .com boom.

There is one .... ONE .... area where you can expressly say Trump contributed to the economy: massive capital flight back into the United States from the Eurozone and China as Trump hastens both along their inexorable path to collapse.

lmmfao at "the president is not responsible"

you're telling me him reducing regulations, saying bye the old version of TPP and NAFTA, creating tax incentives that works the business side, blah, blah, blah, has no impact on the economy.....oh yeah, the stock market rise and cash flow that is heavy now.....

toss in confidence and perception and you simply expose yourself to bias.....

I cannot combat bias.....enjoy the basement....

edit: at least Owl has offered solutions over the years.....many that I agree with.....

I have yet to see one from ewe....

(08-14-2018 08:29 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 08:03 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-12-2018 02:18 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Could he be the Libertarians’ next nominee? I’m honestly not sure what the state of play is over there. Kasich doesn’t really give off a Libertarian vibe to me, but who knows. Stranger things have happened.

The liberaltarians are so desperate for legitimacy they put a big government RINO on their Presidential ticket in 2016.

That's the first time I've heard Gary Johnson and big government used non-ironically in the same sentence. If Gary Johnson is big government I can only assume you found Mark Sanford to be Karl Marx himself.

Try the second half of the Johnson/Weld ticket. You look up big government RINO in a dictionary and Bill Weld's picture is shown with the listing.