(08-14-2018 08:34 PM)stinkfist Wrote: not speaking for Kap, but help me understand how GJ would've changed a dayum thing in the scope of reducing big goverment.....you can begin with only a handful of statements......I'm all ears.....
I already knew how DJT would attack.....and there's no question it's still the #DJTexperiment.....however, so far, pretty fk'n good, eh?
Same way he did in New Mexico: heavy use of veto, managed attrition of government workers, and in the case of the WH the executive order pen.
And no, I do not agree that the Trump experiment is "pretty f'n good". Trump is really good at causing SJWs and the far left to meltdown under their own insanity. He's good at making his enemies fall apart. He might be good at using nasty tools to get American interests considered more seriously with foreign powers (jury is still out on that). He's so far terrible at actually fixing anything, particularly domestically. We're half way through the first term. We've got modest tax improvements to show for it and nothing else. And he has shown that loyalty to him is more important that issues. With the speed of a tweet he helped defeat Mark Sanford, one of maybe two dozen members of Congress who are actually serious about balancing the budget and restoring some damn Constitutional sanity in DC. Why? Sanford wasn't loyal enough. In Trump's world, loyalty to him supersedes the greater good. That's the antithesis of a good President.
I share your concerns. I don't think he's really gotten much done compared t what I would like to see. Of course, at least part of that is because the republican congress, particularly its leaders, have been pretty pathetic. OK, Mitch got us Gorsuch instead of Garland. Great. What else has he done?
eliminated unnecessary regulations, experimenting with tariffs, sanctions, etc.....that's off the top of me skull cap...
how about how he's dickin' the msm and both sides of the aisle......
told he was all about waking the phants up to get off their arse 3 yrs ago.....
how's that playing out???
y'all act like there is some majik g'dam switch and click heels shite at times.....
that make no sense.....
this is a long term battle......better hunker down and get used to it......
(08-14-2018 09:06 PM)Kaplony Wrote: Try the second half of the Johnson/Weld ticket. You look up big government RINO in a dictionary and Bill Weld's picture is shown with the listing.
The LP VP is always somebody there for fundraising ability. Given that the LP (and any third party) has to spend the better part of $10,000,000 just to get ballot access in all 50 states.
(08-14-2018 09:04 PM)stinkfist Wrote: lmmfao at "the president is not responsible"
you're telling me him reducing regulations, saying bye the old version of TPP and NAFTA, creating tax incentives that works the business side, blah, blah, blah, has no impact on the economy.....oh yeah, the stock market rise and cash flow that is heavy now.....
toss in confidence and perception and you simply expose yourself to bias.....
I cannot combat bias.....enjoy the basement....
edit: at least Owl has offered solutions over the years.....many that I agree with.....
I have yet to see one from ewe....
TPP and NAFTA are managed trade, not free trade. I advocate for free trade. THAT BEING SAID ..... on the whole TPP and NAFTA were net free trade. I don't like either of them. I could rant for quite some time on the onerous intellectual property parts of TPP. But even the CATO Institute scored them as on the whole net pro free trade. Not perfect. Not what we'd design. But better than what we've got. Don't you get the creeps from the strange bedfellows cheering on Trump's removal of TPP like Pocahontas and Bernie? Any time you have Bernie Sanders in your corner on an economic issue you need to re-evaluate how you got there and if you're doing the right thing.
You want a solution? Name a specific issue. I'll provide one.
(08-14-2018 09:04 PM)stinkfist Wrote: lmmfao at "the president is not responsible"
you're telling me him reducing regulations, saying bye the old version of TPP and NAFTA, creating tax incentives that works the business side, blah, blah, blah, has no impact on the economy.....oh yeah, the stock market rise and cash flow that is heavy now.....
toss in confidence and perception and you simply expose yourself to bias.....
I cannot combat bias.....enjoy the basement....
edit: at least Owl has offered solutions over the years.....many that I agree with.....
I have yet to see one from ewe....
TPP and NAFTA are managed trade, not free trade. I advocate for free trade. THAT BEING SAID ..... on the whole TPP and NAFTA were net free trade. I don't like either of them. I could rant for quite some time on the onerous intellectual property parts of TPP. But even the CATO Institute scored them as on the whole net pro free trade. Not perfect. Not what we'd design. But better than what we've got. Don't you get the creeps from the strange bedfellows cheering on Trump's removal of TPP like Pocahontas and Bernie? Any time you have Bernie Sanders in your corner on an economic issue you need to re-evaluate how you got there and if you're doing the right thing.
You want a solution? Name a specific issue. I'll provide one.
regulations
please enlighten us all how that's a negative in reduction since being sworn in.....
I have plenty more in tank.....let's take it one at a time....
(This post was last modified: 08-14-2018 10:00 PM by stinkfist.)
(08-14-2018 06:10 PM)Love and Honor Wrote: The Democrats could probably clean up if they ran a middle-of-the-road candidate on a 'return to normalcy' campaign against Trump's excesses, which I think would be a message that would resonate with a lot of independents. So naturally they'll probably get the leftmost candidate out there in the field.
What are Trump’s excesses? He’s spending too much for my liking, but Dems love spending, so that shouldn’t matter to them.
Imo, there's a general unease among much of the electorate that's fine (but doesn't love) Trump or dislikes (but doesn't hate him) because of the perceived instability of our time. The weird tweets, rumors of scandals, the general social discord - Trump didn't cause much of it and the MSM has exasperated it to a great degree, but as POTUS he's the face of our nation and will be seen as the cause of a lot of tension we generally have in American politics today.
That's not to say that the past was some glorious era of political civility, but I think a fair amount of independents perceive a nostalgia for a time of decency even if that really is romantacizing years that didn't truly exist as such. But a Democrat could come in and capitalize on that feeling if they weren't a nutjob like most of their field is, and by running someone like Warren they'll only add fuel to the fire.
(08-14-2018 10:20 PM)stinkfist Wrote: I want a current summary from your mouth.....2016 cato woo-woo....ummmmmmkay
oh yeah....let's add GDP growth into the equation now since you came with bs....
either debate or don't.....fk a linky......
I said earlier the TPP was net pro free trade. On the whole an improvement despite its many flaws. I then linked to the detailed analysis behind the claim that it is net pro free trade. I can't condense a 10,000+ page act any further for you. Either you can make the effort to read a concise (~2 page) and thorough analysis or you weren't interested in the discussion and weren't open to persuasion anyway. It doesn't get much more condensed than 10,000+ pages into 2.
(08-14-2018 10:20 PM)stinkfist Wrote: I want a current summary from your mouth.....2016 cato woo-woo....ummmmmmkay
oh yeah....let's add GDP growth into the equation now since you came with bs....
either debate or don't.....fk a linky......
I said earlier the TPP was net pro free trade. On the whole an improvement despite its many flaws. I then linked to the detailed analysis behind the claim that it is net pro free trade. I can't condense a 10,000+ page act any further for you. Either you can make the effort to read a concise (~2 page) and thorough analysis or you weren't interested in the discussion and weren't open to persuasion anyway. It doesn't get much more condensed than 10,000+ pages into 2.
I read it....
now.....please explain how that analysis from 2/1 yrs ago has held true as current GDP has grown to 4.1% due to deregulation vs. status quo....
from your '17 version.....
Quote:On the one hand, it’s refreshing to witness the rare act of a politician fulfilling a campaign pledge. On the other hand, there is nothing else good about it. Trump detonated a bomb; six years of negotiations went boom; now what?
firstly, DJT isn't a g'dam politician....that by itself is stupid.....
and yeah, "now what"....
and I got plenty more if you choose to continue....
(08-14-2018 10:37 PM)stinkfist Wrote: I read it....
now.....please explain how that analysis from 2/1 yrs ago has held true as current GDP has grown to 4.1% due to deregulation vs. status quo....
from your '17 version.....
Quote:On the one hand, it’s refreshing to witness the rare act of a politician fulfilling a campaign pledge. On the other hand, there is nothing else good about it. Trump detonated a bomb; six years of negotiations went boom; now what?
firstly, DJT isn't a g'dam politician....that by itself is stupid.....
and yeah, "now what"....
and I got plenty more if you choose to continue....
Show me where you've determined that the GDP growth you cite is due to withdrawing from TPP.
(08-14-2018 06:10 PM)Love and Honor Wrote: The Democrats could probably clean up if they ran a middle-of-the-road candidate on a 'return to normalcy' campaign against Trump's excesses, which I think would be a message that would resonate with a lot of independents. So naturally they'll probably get the leftmost candidate out there in the field.
as of right now I'd go with...
President - Tim Kaine
Vice President - Jim Cooper
that ticket would be moderate, experienced, and about as 'normal' as democrats can get IMHO.
(08-14-2018 06:10 PM)Love and Honor Wrote: The Democrats could probably clean up if they ran a middle-of-the-road candidate on a 'return to normalcy' campaign against Trump's excesses, which I think would be a message that would resonate with a lot of independents. So naturally they'll probably get the leftmost candidate out there in the field.
as of right now I'd go with...
President - Tim Kaine
Vice President - Jim Cooper
that ticket would be moderate, experienced, and about as 'normal' as democrats can get IMHO.
(08-12-2018 09:12 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: I’m betting on the Democrats heading for a centrist sitting Governor that can communicate a simple message effectively... The Democrats need to throw out a "Kasichlike" candidate that will attract independents and GOP voters that are not happy with Trump.
Do you have anybody in mind?
Quote:Putting any polarizing candidate up against him is an instant defeat. That plays directly into his hand.
True.
Steve Bullock from Montana. He would fit the bill as a centrist, tax cutter and budget balancer in his state. He is also folksy and well spoken. There are already rumbling about him in 2020.
A guy like Jim Webb is what the Dems need wrt to political views. I know he has some warts, but I recall a lot of his views on his website when he was in the Dem primaries looked like they were centrist if not slightly to the right on some things.
(08-14-2018 06:10 PM)Love and Honor Wrote: The Democrats could probably clean up if they ran a middle-of-the-road candidate on a 'return to normalcy' campaign against Trump's excesses, which I think would be a message that would resonate with a lot of independents. So naturally they'll probably get the leftmost candidate out there in the field.
as of right now I'd go with...
President - Tim Kaine
Vice President - Jim Cooper
that ticket would be moderate, experienced, and about as 'normal' as democrats can get IMHO.
(08-14-2018 06:10 PM)Love and Honor Wrote: The Democrats could probably clean up if they ran a middle-of-the-road candidate on a 'return to normalcy' campaign against Trump's excesses, which I think would be a message that would resonate with a lot of independents. So naturally they'll probably get the leftmost candidate out there in the field.
as of right now I'd go with...
President - Tim Kaine
Vice President - Jim Cooper
that ticket would be moderate, experienced, and about as 'normal' as democrats can get IMHO.
Nothing spells excitement like Tim Kaine.
In the era of trump, boring is a good thing...
(This post was last modified: 08-15-2018 05:59 PM by UofMemphis.)
If the democrats were all like Jim Webb or Jim Cooper, or Tim Kaine or Steve Bullock, I could probably vote for them.
But they're not.
And I could never vote for Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer or Harry Reid. And I'm sorry, but any vote for any democrat strikes me as a vote for Schumer and Pelosi.
(This post was last modified: 08-15-2018 04:27 PM by Owl 69/70/75.)
