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(02-07-2019 09:21 AM)Cat-Man Wrote:  Not liking the direction this is going. Del Rio turned them down. Capers turned them down. Now they are zeroing in on Aubrey Pleasant, the DB coach for the Rams. If they take him that leaves them with a first time HC, a first time OC and a first time DC, a first time TE coach, and to add icing on the cake they hire an OL coach who has been out of the NFL due to a checkered past. Someone needs to Taylor he's an NFL head coach, not a College head coach.

No worries, they will have the Brown family on site to give them advice and direction. What could go wrong?

It was always more likely to get worse when marvin left not better. Coaches around the nfl respected marvin enough that they would come work here. Hope this works out and it was time but I've never been optimistic.

(02-07-2019 09:28 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  It was always more likely to get worse when marvin left not better. Coaches around the nfl respected marvin enough that they would come work here. Hope this works out and it was time but I've never been optimistic.

Ironic thing is the defensive oriented NFL veteran you'd ideally like to pair with an young offensive coach is being paid by the Bengals not to coach this year.

From Football Scoop:

Cincinnati Bengals: Among the coaches expected to get interview requests for the defensive coordinator position are former Falcons defensive coordinator Marquand Manuel, Texas A&M defensive coordinator Mike Elko, Florida defensive coordinator Todd Grantham, Saints defensive backs coach Aaron Glenn and Rams defensive backs coach Aubrey Pleasant, Tom Pelissero tweets.

(02-07-2019 09:28 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  It was always more likely to get worse when marvin left not better. Coaches around the nfl respected marvin enough that they would come work here. Hope this works out and it was time but I've never been optimistic.

Eh, I get where you are coming from generically speaking as far comparing things pre-Marvin to post Marvin, but I think there was a lot of potential for things to get better going forward. Unfortunately, I'm underwhelmed with the new HC and the way his staff is shaping up. I can't even tell if I should be happy or deflated that Capers turned us down.


I'll give them a chance to impress before condemning them. But I'm actually considering the possibility that it isn't a conspiracy theory to think the real plan is to tank enough to get their franchise QB next year or the year after in the draft. I'm gonna be watchin' you Tua (or Trevor)!

(02-07-2019 01:42 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  But I'm actually considering the possibility that it isn't a conspiracy theory to think the real plan is to tank enough to get their franchise QB next year or the year after in the draft. I'm gonna be watchin' you Tua (or Trevor)!

I don't think they're looking that far ahead but they look like the leaders in the clubhouse for the Trevor Lawrence derby. Problem is if they regress they'll probably look at a QB of the future next year vs in two years when Lawrence is available. 2020 is supposed to be a good QB draft although 2021 is obviously the big prize.

(02-07-2019 02:18 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 01:42 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  But I'm actually considering the possibility that it isn't a conspiracy theory to think the real plan is to tank enough to get their franchise QB next year or the year after in the draft. I'm gonna be watchin' you Tua (or Trevor)!

I don't think they're looking that far ahead but they look like the leaders in the clubhouse for the Trevor Lawrence derby. Problem is if they regress they'll probably look at a QB of the future next year vs in two years when Lawrence is available. 2020 is supposed to be a good QB draft although 2021 is obviously the big prize.

Obviously it's ridiculously early and thus pretty much worthless to dig in very deeply but fwiw walterfootball's mocks seem higher on the 2020 class with QBs going #1 (Tua), #2 (Fromm) and #4 (Hebert) along with Eason at #24. For the 2021 mock they have Lawrence going #1 and Fields #2 but no other QBs in R1.

As far as "leaders in the clubhouse" for the Trev Lawrence derby (i.e. worst record in the NFL in 2020), I haven't seen much speculation. But espn.com does coincidentally have a new article out polling a few "experts" on who will get to pick #1 in 2020. Dolphins were the favorite with 4 votes. Cardinals got 3 of the other 4. The other vote? NFL analyst Field Yates went with our Cincinnati Bengals...

(02-07-2019 09:21 AM)Cat-Man Wrote:  Not liking the direction this is going. Del Rio turned them down. Capers turned them down. Now they are zeroing in on Aubrey Pleasant, the DB coach for the Rams. If they take him that leaves them with a first time HC, a first time OC and a first time DC, a first time TE coach, and to add icing on the cake they hire an OL coach who has been out of the NFL due to a checkered past. Someone needs to Taylor he's an NFL head coach, not a College head coach.

Too late... He's also looking to Texas A&M and UFlorida for a DC.

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UC FB alum Doug Rosfeld hired by the Bengals. His new role is not yet specified.

Luke Fickell may end up with a more experienced coaching staff than the Bengals.

Here is some food for thought. Ya think the city of Cincinnati sports is in a state of transition? Who would have thought Cronin would be the longest tenured HC by far?

Mick Cronin - UC -13th year
Luke Fickell -UC - 3rd year
Travis Steele -XU -1st year
David Bell - Reds - 1st year
Zac Taylor - Bengals - 1st year
Allen Koch -FC Cincy- 3rd year

(02-12-2019 06:13 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  Luke Fickell may end up with a more experienced coaching staff than the Bengals.

Here is some food for thought. Ya think the city of Cincinnati sports is in a state of transition? Who would have thought Cronin would be the longest tenured HC by far?

Mick Cronin - UC -13th year
Luke Fickell -UC - 3rd year
Travis Steele -XU -1st year
David Bell - Reds - 1st year
Zac Taylor - Bengals - 1st year
Allen Koch -FC Cincy- 3rd year

Definitely a lot of changes, but I don't think Cronin being the longest tenured is a surprise. What's more amazing I think is that you could make a pretty good case that GOING FORWARD he's the most likely to be the last one standing in his current job after the other 5 have moved on one way or the other.

(02-12-2019 10:49 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 06:13 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  Luke Fickell may end up with a more experienced coaching staff than the Bengals.

Here is some food for thought. Ya think the city of Cincinnati sports is in a state of transition? Who would have thought Cronin would be the longest tenured HC by far?

Mick Cronin - UC -13th year
Luke Fickell -UC - 3rd year
Travis Steele -XU -1st year
David Bell - Reds - 1st year
Zac Taylor - Bengals - 1st year
Allen Koch -FC Cincy- 3rd year

Definitely a lot of changes, but I don't think Cronin being the longest tenured is a surprise. What's more amazing I think is that you could make a pretty good case that GOING FORWARD he's the most likely to be the last one standing in his current job after the other 5 have moved on one way or the other.

Mick is easily the favorite to be the only one standing after 5 years. If Steele turns it around he'll probably take another job; if not they'll fire him. Reds manager has never been a long tenured job. Taylor is likely to be so bad that even though the Bengals value stability over performance they won't be able to keep him 5 years. Allen Koch just got elevated to MLS from USL coach; at the first struggle they probably look for an experienced MLS coach.

I'm not so sure Fickell isn't the 2nd most likely to be here in 5 years. Not that I think he's our Mark Few/Chris Peterson but with a large Catholic family who stayed in Columbus for 20 years I think the jobs he'd take are probably about a 100-150 mile radius from here. If one of those open up he could be gone next year but the number of jobs he'd potentially leave for is less than most of our coaches.

(02-12-2019 10:49 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 06:13 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  Luke Fickell may end up with a more experienced coaching staff than the Bengals.

Here is some food for thought. Ya think the city of Cincinnati sports is in a state of transition? Who would have thought Cronin would be the longest tenured HC by far?

Mick Cronin - UC -13th year
Luke Fickell -UC - 3rd year
Travis Steele -XU -1st year
David Bell - Reds - 1st year
Zac Taylor - Bengals - 1st year
Allen Koch -FC Cincy- 3rd year

Definitely a lot of changes, but I don't think Cronin being the longest tenured is a surprise. What's more amazing I think is that you could make a pretty good case that GOING FORWARD he's the most likely to be the last one standing in his current job after the other 5 have moved on one way or the other.

Good point, and I would probably agree with you. But mainly because I don't think UC would ever fire Cronin, and the only reason he'd move on is if he made a really deep run in the tourney, larger schools with deeper pockets will come calling.
I don't see that happening soon. The only other one I would pick would be Bell. If he has any kind of success, I could see him being around a while, but mainly because he is so young and another hometown boy.

If you extend the boundaries, the whole state of Ohio is in a transition period. That would be a good bar bet. Which coach in the state of Ohio will still be in the same position in 5 years?

Jack Owens -Miami(OH)-2nd year
Anthony Grant -Dayton -2nd year
Ryan Day -OSU-1st year
Chris Holtmann -OSU- 2nd year
Freddie Kitchens -Browns -1st year
Larry Drew -Cavs-1st year
Terry Francona -Indians-6th year

And the DC search continues. Starting to smell like a dumpster fire..

If we are going to suck, then lets just suck. I dont want any 7-9 seasons anymore. Need to get on the Trevor Lawrence.train.

(02-13-2019 05:19 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 10:49 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 06:13 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  Luke Fickell may end up with a more experienced coaching staff than the Bengals.

Here is some food for thought. Ya think the city of Cincinnati sports is in a state of transition? Who would have thought Cronin would be the longest tenured HC by far?

Mick Cronin - UC -13th year
Luke Fickell -UC - 3rd year
Travis Steele -XU -1st year
David Bell - Reds - 1st year
Zac Taylor - Bengals - 1st year
Allen Koch -FC Cincy- 3rd year

Definitely a lot of changes, but I don't think Cronin being the longest tenured is a surprise. What's more amazing I think is that you could make a pretty good case that GOING FORWARD he's the most likely to be the last one standing in his current job after the other 5 have moved on one way or the other.

Good point, and I would probably agree with you. But mainly because I don't think UC would ever fire Cronin, and the only reason he'd move on is if he made a really deep run in the tourney, larger schools with deeper pockets will come calling.
I don't see that happening soon. The only other one I would pick would be Bell. If he has any kind of success, I could see him being around a while, but mainly because he is so young and another hometown boy.

If you extend the boundaries, the whole state of Ohio is in a transition period. That would be a good bar bet. Which coach in the state of Ohio will still be in the same position in 5 years?

Jack Owens -Miami(OH)-2nd year
Anthony Grant -Dayton -2nd year
Ryan Day -OSU-1st year
Chris Holtmann -OSU- 2nd year
Freddie Kitchens -Browns -1st year
Larry Drew -Cavs-1st year
Terry Francona -Indians-6th year

From that group I'd put money on that Holtmann would be the one still at their current gig 5 years from now. He's making major coin at OSU, is doing a great job and I don't see another gig he would be pinning over (as a Kentucky native maybe he'd go to UK if it became available).

no way man. we're gonna get five feet ten kyler murphy

(02-14-2019 07:14 AM)bctn8n Wrote:  And the DC search continues. Starting to smell like a dumpster fire..

It's getting embarrassing. Honestly, I'd be very happy at this point if we could get Marvin back as DC (yes I know that isn't going to happen.)

update: just keeps getting worse:

Report: New Orleans Saints to block Cincinnati Bengals from Aaron Glenn DC interview

(02-14-2019 06:20 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 07:14 AM)bctn8n Wrote:  And the DC search continues. Starting to smell like a dumpster fire..

It's getting embarrassing. Honestly, I'd be very happy at this point if we could get Marvin back as DC (yes I know that isn't going to happen.)

update: just keeps getting worse:

Report: New Orleans Saints to block Cincinnati Bengals from Aaron Glenn DC interview

I guess I must be wrong, but I thought an organization couldn't block a coach if they were interviewing for a position which was a promotion, such as going from an assistant to a coordinator.

(02-14-2019 07:22 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 06:20 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 07:14 AM)bctn8n Wrote:  And the DC search continues. Starting to smell like a dumpster fire..

It's getting embarrassing. Honestly, I'd be very happy at this point if we could get Marvin back as DC (yes I know that isn't going to happen.)

update: just keeps getting worse:

Report: New Orleans Saints to block Cincinnati Bengals from Aaron Glenn DC interview

I guess I must be wrong, but I thought an organization couldn't block a coach if they were interviewing for a position which was a promotion, such as going from an assistant to a coordinator.

I did too. At a minimum, you'd think it was both common courtesy and good policy. But apparently not. Here's a nice piece (predating anything on Aaron Glenn) on how the Bengals got to this point with some info I hadn't heard anywhere else:

Who said what and how Cincinnati Bengals head coach Zac Taylor got here in pursuit of a DC

I hate to think it, but I wonder if Taylor's rejection of Del Rio was more out of fear of having a potential built-in replacement too close?