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RE: Former tOSU wrestler walks back claims against Jim Jordan
(08-11-2018 09:59 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  
(08-11-2018 02:33 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(08-11-2018 12:23 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  
(08-11-2018 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(08-10-2018 09:24 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Guys . Mark Coleman lives about 20 miles from me. He was a bad ass. Was a UFC heavy weight champion. I know for a fact that he is not doing well. I won’t be surprised if he is not alive in three years. He is a vulnerable position in life. That’s all I am going to say. Read between the lines and quit reading daily caller and gateway pundit articles.
So, help me a bit here, I'm trying to understand your point. Are you saying that he is in a vulnerable position and therefore we should doubt his recanting, or assume that someone took advantage of his weak position to influence him improperly? OK, that's certainly a possibility. But isn't it at least equally possible that the coercion was applied by different people to obtain his original statement, and it is the recanting that is the truthful statement? Why is one more likely than the other? Or is it possible that he is in such a bad way that he is delusional and therefore none of his statements should be taken at face value?
I don't know exactly how things are in wrestling at Ohio State, but I know that in most programs at most universities, grad assistants are the lowest of the low, roughly at the same level as freshmen walk-ons. They hold blocking dummies and keep their mouths shut. I'm guessing any star wrestler would have had a lot more credibility to take this public. So why didn't they?
So I would rely on the other countless number of athletes that have come forward that says this guy molested them.
So let's assume for the sake of discussion that the guy molested them. Now explain why it's Jim Jordan's fault.
These athletes are saying he knew and didn’t do anything about it? Same reason Joe Paterno was blasted for Jerry Sandusky. That’s a very basic connect the dots. At the worst he didn’t act when the wrestlers said he knew. At the best he shows a lack of empathy and poor judgement.

OK, what did he know and when did we know it? And exactly what could he have done? What would you have wanted him to do? Go beat up the doc? Go public to the news with the story? Tell someone higher in the chain? How do we know that he didn't do it?

Keep in mind that he was a student assistant coach. Have you ever been one of those? Do you know how little power and influence he had? Any of the wrestlers would have had more stroke than he did. So why didn't any of them come forward? If Mark Coleman was such the stud that you make him out to be, why didn't he say something?

Joe Paterno was not a student assistant coach. He was the head football coach. There's a big difference. And IIRC they tried to pin that one on some lower level guy too.

If anything he was a young guy with no power to do anything about it and this was his meal ticket to get an education and anything he did would have cost him that.
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RE: Former tOSU wrestler walks back claims against Jim Jordan
(08-12-2018 07:14 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  And I gauadamnteeee you would be calling for his head if he were.

Would you be calling for his head if he were?
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(08-12-2018 07:14 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  And I gauadamnteeee you would be calling for his head if he were.

No. I'm fair about these things. I got attacked on the sports boards because i thought Paterno was being wrongly accused of things. Paterno was guilty of looking the other way when he had the power to get people to do the right thing. He was accused of a lot more than that and being subhuman instead of a flawed human.
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RE: Former tOSU wrestler walks back claims against Jim Jordan
(08-10-2018 09:24 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Guys . Mark Coleman lives about 20 miles from me. He was a bad ass. Was a UFC heavy weight champion. I know for a fact that he is not doing well. I won’t be surprised if he is not alive in three years. He is a vulnerable position in life. That’s all I am going to say. Read between the lines and quit reading daily caller and gateway pundit articles.

So, in conclusion, Mach knows a guy who was caught lying about the reputation of a republican. Color me shocked.
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RE: Former tOSU wrestler walks back claims against Jim Jordan
(08-12-2018 11:02 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(08-10-2018 09:24 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Guys . Mark Coleman lives about 20 miles from me. He was a bad ass. Was a UFC heavy weight champion. I know for a fact that he is not doing well. I won’t be surprised if he is not alive in three years. He is a vulnerable position in life. That’s all I am going to say. Read between the lines and quit reading daily caller and gateway pundit articles.

So, in conclusion, Mach knows a guy who was caught lying about the reputation of a republican. Color me shocked.

He doesn’t ‘know’ him. Just lives 40 miles from him. That makes him the authoritative voice on this subject. Kinda like I live five miles from Brett Favre which makes me an expert on NFL defenses.
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RE: Former tOSU wrestler walks back claims against Jim Jordan
I don’t live where I grew up. Grew up about 7 miles from him. I know people in some of the circles he is in. Don’t put words in my mouth. You guys try so hard to demonize me and in the end. I’m just a nice person.
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RE: Former tOSU wrestler walks back claims against Jim Jordan
(08-12-2018 01:54 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I don’t live where I grew up. Grew up about 7 miles from him. I know people in some of the circles he is in. Don’t put words in my mouth. You guys try so hard to demonize me and in the end. I’m just a nice person.

I actually assume you are a fairly decent guy. We probably wouldn't hate each other if we worked together (not saying we hate each other here).

I just think we all have our different views and enjoy having a place to share them with others, talk about them, mock the other guy who doesn't think the right thing, etc.

And we're ALL guilty of that. To quote Floyd, Us and Them.

Sure, there are times we can have serious discussions where we try to consider the other side's point of view, but those aren't nearly as much fun. 03-wink
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RE: Former tOSU wrestler walks back claims against Jim Jordan
(08-12-2018 01:54 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I don’t live where I grew up. Grew up about 7 miles from him. I know people in some of the circles he is in. Don’t put words in my mouth. You guys try so hard to demonize me and in the end. I’m just a nice person.

I believe you.
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RE: Former tOSU wrestler walks back claims against Jim Jordan
(08-16-2018 07:41 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  JJ feeling the heat..

http://www.dispatch.com/news/20180816/ed...rauss-case

Never mentions any ‘JJ’.

“Ohio State’s investigation into the Strauss allegations, which law firm Perkins Coie is conducting, is ongoing. Investigators are using a “trauma-informed” approach and are not contacting any former students who might have been examined by Strauss, the university said. Instead, investigators are working with the university to release updates to the public to “empower others to determine whether they want to come forward.”

Perkins Coie? Already concerned about any investigation done into this with these guys. Why are they showing up all over the place where dirt is wanted on republicans?
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