So the G5 struggle to get good bowl opportunities and payouts but what if they took ownership of the bowls played in their stadiums. They could give the host school a cut of the revenue and pay the participants from the gate receipts, sponsorships, and tv revenue. The tv rights could be packaged with the rest of the host conference's media deal or sold piecemeal. I call it a bowl alliance because conferences would make agreements with other conferences, agreeing to provide a guest team to another conference's bowl line up in exchange for recieving one of theirs.

Possible school hosts involved who currently host bowls:

Hawaii
Las Vegas
New Mexico
Boise St
UNLV
SDSU (rented)
UTEP
UTSA (rented)
Memphis
UAB (rented)
USA (rented)
FAU
UCF
Navy

Schools who don't host but could:
UNT
SMU
Tulane
FIU
Houston
Rice

Another thought I've had is rather than a bowl being one game what if they hosted double headers on back to back dates. Yulman Stadium in New Orleans could have ties to 4 conferences and use those tie ins to create a headline bowl (AAC vs P5) and an undercard (C-USA, SBC, MAC)

I think the g5 will have to go it alone at some point, but not at this time
The g5 has one team in the NY6 bowl but the other conference champs I think should create new bowls pitting champs and so forth and at that point the hope is that these bowls become very popular with fans ( these fans would make up a NEW fan base apart and mostly separate from the A5 already in place
These new g5 bowls would have to make money of course and who knows mybe it makes a bunch of money and if the recruits follow watch out because recruiting is the bedrock for a strong league
The fear I have and most g5ers have is the g5 will be seen as a lower level FBS league or even FCS level
The only real way to combat this is if the recruiting gets a lot better for the g5 and IF it does then I believe college football as a whole will see a big increase in popularity

I do see that the PAC 12 scheduling MWC schools do help pay off since the fans of both conferences could travel to the games better. What I am thinking is that the G5 might try and grab schools who have these bowl ties in just in case the cities and schools will try and keep the P5 out of their stadiums.

I think you also forgot Memphis.

Pinstripe could be a place for Stony Brook could be the school to host that site.

As it is, the cities that do hold the bowl games do want to get their schools into a P5 conference. The cities would love to get more money from fans of the P5 to visit. Not just once a year. They would want to have the fans go to G5 home games which could help boast the economy for the whole community.

(08-09-2018 07:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  So the G5 struggle to get good bowl opportunities and payouts but what if they took ownership of the bowls played in their stadiums. They could give the host school a cut of the revenue and pay the participants from the gate receipts, sponsorships, and tv revenue. The tv rights could be packaged with the rest of the host conference's media deal or sold piecemeal. I call it a bowl alliance because conferences would make agreements with other conferences, agreeing to provide a guest team to another conference's bowl line up in exchange for recieving one of theirs.

Possible school hosts involved who currently host bowls:

Hawaii
Las Vegas
New Mexico
Boise St
UNLV
SDSU (rented)
UTEP
UTSA (rented)
UAB (rented)
USA (rented)
FAU
UCF
Navy

Schools who don't host but could:
UNT
SMU
Tulane
FIU
Houston
Rice

Another thought I've had is rather than a bowl being one game what if they hosted double headers on back to back dates. Yulman Stadium in New Orleans could have ties to 4 conferences and use those tie ins to create a headline bowl (AAC vs P5) and an undercard (C-USA, SBC, MAC)

Coastal Carolina could host the new Myrtle Beach Bowl if that gets off the ground.

(08-10-2018 09:20 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 07:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  So the G5 struggle to get good bowl opportunities and payouts but what if they took ownership of the bowls played in their stadiums. They could give the host school a cut of the revenue and pay the participants from the gate receipts, sponsorships, and tv revenue. The tv rights could be packaged with the rest of the host conference's media deal or sold piecemeal. I call it a bowl alliance because conferences would make agreements with other conferences, agreeing to provide a guest team to another conference's bowl line up in exchange for recieving one of theirs.

Possible school hosts involved who currently host bowls:

Hawaii
Las Vegas
New Mexico
Boise St
UNLV
SDSU (rented)
UTEP
UTSA (rented)
UAB (rented)
USA (rented)
FAU
UCF
Navy

Schools who don't host but could:
UNT
SMU
Tulane
FIU
Houston
Rice

Another thought I've had is rather than a bowl being one game what if they hosted double headers on back to back dates. Yulman Stadium in New Orleans could have ties to 4 conferences and use those tie ins to create a headline bowl (AAC vs P5) and an undercard (C-USA, SBC, MAC)

Coastal Carolina could host the new Myrtle Beach Bowl if that gets off the ground.

They are already at least partially involved since the game is slated to be at Brooks Stadium.

(08-09-2018 07:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  So the G5 struggle to get good bowl opportunities and payouts but what if they took ownership of the bowls played in their stadiums. They could give the host school a cut of the revenue and pay the participants from the gate receipts, sponsorships, and tv revenue. The tv rights could be packaged with the rest of the host conference's media deal or sold piecemeal. I call it a bowl alliance because conferences would make agreements with other conferences, agreeing to provide a guest team to another conference's bowl line up in exchange for recieving one of theirs.

Possible school hosts involved who currently host bowls:

Hawaii
Las Vegas
New Mexico
Boise St
UNLV
SDSU (rented)
UTEP
UTSA (rented)
UAB (rented)
USA (rented)
FAU
UCF
Navy

Schools who don't host but could:
UNT
SMU
Tulane
FIU
Houston
Rice

Another thought I've had is rather than a bowl being one game what if they hosted double headers on back to back dates. Yulman Stadium in New Orleans could have ties to 4 conferences and use those tie ins to create a headline bowl (AAC vs P5) and an undercard (C-USA, SBC, MAC)

I dont get the point. There are plenty of crappy G5 vs G5 bowls. How does setting up crappy G5 vs G5 bowls in G5 stadiums represent "improvement"? Seems to me ---if you want to improve the post season---the G5 should band together and invest some of their annual 85-90 million dollars in CFP payout toward a series of 3 bowls that would serve as post season destinatins for the 4 G5 champs not heading to the access bowl

#1 G5 champ--access bowl (slot already exists)

#2 G5 champ vs a #1-#4 selection from a P5 conference (new G5 owned bowl)

#3 G5 champ vs a #1-#4 selection from a P5 conference (new G5 owned bowl)

#4G5 champ vs #5 G5 champ (new G5 owned bowl)

(08-10-2018 12:48 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 07:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  So the G5 struggle to get good bowl opportunities and payouts but what if they took ownership of the bowls played in their stadiums. They could give the host school a cut of the revenue and pay the participants from the gate receipts, sponsorships, and tv revenue. The tv rights could be packaged with the rest of the host conference's media deal or sold piecemeal. I call it a bowl alliance because conferences would make agreements with other conferences, agreeing to provide a guest team to another conference's bowl line up in exchange for recieving one of theirs.

Possible school hosts involved who currently host bowls:

Hawaii
Las Vegas
New Mexico
Boise St
UNLV
SDSU (rented)
UTEP
UTSA (rented)
UAB (rented)
USA (rented)
FAU
UCF
Navy

Schools who don't host but could:
UNT
SMU
Tulane
FIU
Houston
Rice

Another thought I've had is rather than a bowl being one game what if they hosted double headers on back to back dates. Yulman Stadium in New Orleans could have ties to 4 conferences and use those tie ins to create a headline bowl (AAC vs P5) and an undercard (C-USA, SBC, MAC)

I dont get the point. There are plenty of crappy G5 vs G5 bowls. How does setting up crappy bowls in G5 vs G5 bowls in G5 stadiums represent "improvement"? Seems to me ---if you want to improve the post season---the G5 should band together and invest some of their annual 85-90 million dollars in CFP payout toward a series of 3 bowls that would house serve as post season destinatins for the 4 G5 champs not heading to the access bowl

#1 G5 champ--access bowl (slot already exists)

#2 G5 champ vs a #1-#4 selection from a P5 conference (new G5 owned bowl)

#3 G5 champ vs a #1-#4 selection from a P5 conference (new G5 owned bowl)

#4G5 champ vs #5 G5 champ (new G5 owned bowl)

This is by the best plan for better bowl access. Not sure if you the P5 would go along with this which is the main problem. I am thinking more along the lines of a 3-6 selection is reasonable for the second best G5 champion. I also believe MWC #1 or 2 vs. American 1 or 2 should be in the bowl rotation.

(08-10-2018 01:08 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(08-10-2018 12:48 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 07:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  So the G5 struggle to get good bowl opportunities and payouts but what if they took ownership of the bowls played in their stadiums. They could give the host school a cut of the revenue and pay the participants from the gate receipts, sponsorships, and tv revenue. The tv rights could be packaged with the rest of the host conference's media deal or sold piecemeal. I call it a bowl alliance because conferences would make agreements with other conferences, agreeing to provide a guest team to another conference's bowl line up in exchange for recieving one of theirs.

Possible school hosts involved who currently host bowls:

Hawaii
Las Vegas
New Mexico
Boise St
UNLV
SDSU (rented)
UTEP
UTSA (rented)
UAB (rented)
USA (rented)
FAU
UCF
Navy

Schools who don't host but could:
UNT
SMU
Tulane
FIU
Houston
Rice

Another thought I've had is rather than a bowl being one game what if they hosted double headers on back to back dates. Yulman Stadium in New Orleans could have ties to 4 conferences and use those tie ins to create a headline bowl (AAC vs P5) and an undercard (C-USA, SBC, MAC)

I dont get the point. There are plenty of crappy G5 vs G5 bowls. How does setting up crappy bowls in G5 vs G5 bowls in G5 stadiums represent "improvement"? Seems to me ---if you want to improve the post season---the G5 should band together and invest some of their annual 85-90 million dollars in CFP payout toward a series of 3 bowls that would house serve as post season destinatins for the 4 G5 champs not heading to the access bowl

#1 G5 champ--access bowl (slot already exists)

#2 G5 champ vs a #1-#4 selection from a P5 conference (new G5 owned bowl)

#3 G5 champ vs a #1-#4 selection from a P5 conference (new G5 owned bowl)

#4G5 champ vs #5 G5 champ (new G5 owned bowl)

This is by the best plan for better bowl access. Not sure if you the P5 would go along with this which is the main problem. I am thinking more along the lines of a 3-6 selection is reasonable for the second best G5 champion. I also believe MWC #1 or 2 vs. American 1 or 2 should be in the bowl rotation.

I wouldn’t mind a 1/2 AAC vs 1/2 MWC in Hawaii. ECU beating Boise St in Hawaii was one of the best bowl games ever!

(08-10-2018 12:48 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 07:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  So the G5 struggle to get good bowl opportunities and payouts but what if they took ownership of the bowls played in their stadiums. They could give the host school a cut of the revenue and pay the participants from the gate receipts, sponsorships, and tv revenue. The tv rights could be packaged with the rest of the host conference's media deal or sold piecemeal. I call it a bowl alliance because conferences would make agreements with other conferences, agreeing to provide a guest team to another conference's bowl line up in exchange for recieving one of theirs.

Possible school hosts involved who currently host bowls:

Hawaii
Las Vegas
New Mexico
Boise St
UNLV
SDSU (rented)
UTEP
UTSA (rented)
UAB (rented)
USA (rented)
FAU
UCF
Navy

Schools who don't host but could:
UNT
SMU
Tulane
FIU
Houston
Rice

Another thought I've had is rather than a bowl being one game what if they hosted double headers on back to back dates. Yulman Stadium in New Orleans could have ties to 4 conferences and use those tie ins to create a headline bowl (AAC vs P5) and an undercard (C-USA, SBC, MAC)

I dont get the point. There are plenty of crappy G5 vs G5 bowls. How does setting up crappy bowls in G5 vs G5 bowls in G5 stadiums represent "improvement"? Seems to me ---if you want to improve the post season---the G5 should band together and invest some of their annual 85-90 million dollars in CFP payout toward a series of 3 bowls that would serve as post season destinatins for the 4 G5 champs not heading to the access bowl

#1 G5 champ--access bowl (slot already exists)

#2 G5 champ vs a #1-#4 selection from a P5 conference (new G5 owned bowl)

#3 G5 champ vs a #1-#4 selection from a P5 conference (new G5 owned bowl)

#4G5 champ vs #5 G5 champ (new G5 owned bowl)

I don't see the point of taking what precious little money the G5 gets and turning around and giving it back to the P5. That's counter intuitive.

If each G5, accept the MAC, owned and operated 4-6 bowls it would ensure that their teams would not get shafted in bowl selection:

MWC: Hawaii, New Mexico, Boise, UNLV
C-USA: FAU, UAB, UTSA, UTEP
AAC: Navy, UCF, Memphis
SBC: USA

Relocate some other bowls to places like Tulane, FIU, GA St, UNT, Rice, Houston etc.

(08-10-2018 04:02 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If each G5, accept the MAC, owned and operated 4-6 bowls it would ensure that their teams would not get shafted in bowl selection:

MWC: Hawaii, New Mexico, Boise, UNLV
C-USA: FAU, UAB, UTSA, UTEP
AAC: Navy, UCF, Memphis
SBC: USA

Relocate some other bowls to places like Tulane, FIU, GA St, UNT, Rice, Houston etc.

I’m suggesting that the G5 invest in themselves. It’s become abundantly clear no third party is going to create premium games for the G5. If the G5 isn’t interested in investing in thier own post season—then they have nobody but themselves to blame for their abysmal post season. On the upside—the G5 is not a monolithic block. Any conference can decide to set aside some of its own funds to do something like I suggest.

Furthermore—high end bowl games typically make a profit. If the G5 supports its own product—I see no reason to believe these G5 “Championship Series” games wouldn’t actually turn a profit—-which means, after the initial investment—the Games would actually be self supporting and Spin off extra money to the G5. So who cares if you’re paying the P5 to appear in the games if after all is said and done---you have more money than you started with?

i believe G5 champs already played P6 in a bowl game
LV bowl, Pizza bowl, HOD bowl & Birmingham bowl
P6 are leaving this games

the 4 reamaning G5 champs playing each other
would work in bowls that have strong support from it's host city
Sun bowl would get MWC, AAC, C-USA
Mobile would get C-USA, MAC, SB