Apparently, someone is crapping their pants over the new revelations, as they tried to shut down Byron York.

The shyte keeps piling up about the DOJ and FBI but Mach keeps on shoveling while his sidekick deflects and obfuscates.

Quote:“Cohen may have attended a meeting in Prague, possibly in September, about this,” Ohr quoted Simpson as saying — a claim that became public a month later, in January 2017, when BuzzFeed published a version of Steele’s uncorroborated dossier.

What ever happened to this one? Oh, that's right, we can't talk about these things until Bueller wraps up his gig.

(08-10-2018 09:22 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-10-2018 08:45 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 04:36 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 04:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 04:03 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  An honest question Tom. Does anything that's been revealed about how, when, and why the FBI got involved in this case, the methods they used, and how they've responded to congressional oversight bother you in the least?

Can you tell us that had this been the Bush administration's DOJ and FBI investigating the Obama campaign and later his administration, that you'd not have raised your voice?

I ask because I can't say I've seen you raise your voice on virtually anything related to the FBI......only on Trump-Russia collusion and perhaps Trump obstruction of justice.

As I've said on numerous occasions, I'm waiting for Mueller to complete his report.

Regarding a couple of other things though. I can totally understand why the FBI would be more than reluctant to provide basically any information to a congressional committee chaired by trump lapdog Devin Nunes. If Ryan was a true leader, he would have replace Nunes with someone who was not compromised or had been a trump lackey, then you may have an actual argument here.

And for this particular "revelation," what did the FBI pay Steele for and what did they reprimand him for. We don't know...so excuse me if I don't automatically jump to your conspiratorial conclusions. Especially when they come from Judicial Watch and the Daily Caller.

Blah blah blah, non-answer. And fine, I should have known better.

How about this one anyway:

Quote:With everything in the public domain today, can you tell us that had this been the Bush administration's DOJ and FBI investigating the Obama campaign and later his administration, that you'd not have raised your voice?

Dude. Provide me facts of the corruption of Mueller and the FBI with Steele and Obama, Hillary, et. al. and I'll grab a torch right along with you. Until then, stop assuming all your conspiratorial nonsense is fact. Kay?

Have you once seen me post that trump, or someone on his campaign clearly colluded with Russia? No, I haven't. Because again, I'm waiting for the investigation to complete...as should you. Of course you've already planted your flag (likely being brainwashed by trump, rudy and your media) that you won't believe anything Mueller finds anyway.

Irony. So when Mueller’s report has no evidence but Mueller says Trump is a bad guy, what do you believe then?

Hardly. I've said it on many occasions here before. As long there is no clear evidence of corruption on the part of Mueller (and I'm not expecting any), I'm prepared to accept his findings no matter which side they fall on.

(08-10-2018 09:00 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  And now we know why team taint went after Michael Cohen. Unfortunately for team taint, this appears to be a direct involvement with Simpson/Steele, and the fake dossier, after Mueller was appointed and after Steele was supposed to no longer be an FBI source. Because, as the below shows, a meeting on Dec 10 between Ohr and Steele (after Steele was fired from the FBI and could no longer be used as a source) is when Steele tells the deep state about Cohen. And Mueller went after Cohen hard. The taint had spread into Muellers team.

For example, Simpson told then-Associate Deputy Attorney General Bruce Ohr during the Dec. 10, 2016, meeting in a Washington coffee shop that he believed Trump’s longtime lawyer, Michael Cohen, was the “go-between from Russia to the Trump campaign.”

And yea, we're going to want that memory stick Bruce.

Ohr made clear he took possession of some evidence from Simpson, writing: “Glen gave me a memory stick.”

Intelligence officials are not amused by the corruption.
The Ohr interview and many other now-public actions in the Russia collusion case are “breaking every protocol at the fundamental level of intelligence gathering,” one highly decorated intelligence professional told me.


We warned you not to go down that rabbit hole.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-855035-page-3.html

Who warned who? and Why would you post a link to the thread this post is in?

(08-10-2018 10:03 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-10-2018 08:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 09:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 11:17 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  He Was Deemed ‘Not Suitable As A Source’



That means they were paying for opposition research to be done on Trump. So both the FBI and the Democrats were funding Steele’s who then paid Russian sources.

Quote:(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch announced today the FBI turned over 70 pages of heavily redacted records about Christopher Steele, the former British spy, hired with Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee funds, who authored the infamous Dossier targeting President Trump during last year’s presidential campaign. The documents show that Steele was cut off as a “Confidential Human Source” (CHS) after he disclosed his relationship with the FBI to a third party. The documents show at least 11 FBI payments to Steele in 2016 and document that he was admonished for unknown reasons in February 2016. The documents were turned over in response to Judicial Watch Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit against the U.S. Department of Justice for records of communications and payments between the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele and his private firm, Orbis Business Intelligence (Judicial Watch v. U.S. Department of Justice (No. 1:17-cv-00916)).

The documents include a “source closing communication” that states that Steele (referred to as “CHS” or Confidential Human Source) “is being closed” because:

CHS confirmed to an outside third party that CHS has a confidential relationship with the FBI. CHS was used as a source for an online article. In the article, CHS revealed CHS’ relationship with the FBI as well as information that CHS obtained and provided to FBI. On November 1, 2016, CHS confirmed all of this to the handling agent. At that time, handling agent advised CHS that the nature of the relationship between the FBI and CHS would change completely and that it was unlikely that the FBI would continue a relationship with the CHS. Additionally, handling agent advised that CHS was not to operate to obtain any intelligence whatsoever on behalf of the FBI.

Keep reading here...

I also see FBI payments to Steele began long before Popodoplus supposedly made his drunken comments about The Russians having damaging information on Hillary. The Justice Department narrative regarding the origins of the investigation continues to unravel.

Got a credible link to what the payments were for?

Got a credible link to any indication of actual collusion? Remember—Steele himself testified under oath in the U.K. that his dossier is not corroborated and likley mostly untrue. Keep in mind that the Obama administration had 17 US intelligence agencies monitoring this in real time during 2016 along with planted spies INSIDE the Trump campaign and still—more than 2 years later have not been able to make not a single indictment against the Trump campaign for anything remotely related to campaign collusion. That’s devastatingly strong circumstantial evidence that this whole thing was nothing more than a manufactured pretext to spy on the opposition party. The crumbling narrative regarding the origins of the case along with the fact the origins narrative cast turns out to be full of DNC and Clinton loyalist feels very manufactured. Now we see the Steele payments aren’t matching up with the origins narrative. Sorry, but an halfway unbiased individual has to be prett skeptical of the Mueller probe at this point. At the very least, it’s becoming clear the misbehavior of our Justice Dept under Obama is likely a serious criminal matter and at worse—the worst Constitutional misuse of power since Hoover ran the FBI.

If you'd read any of my posts here on this matter, you'd already know that I have not claimed any collusion on the part of trump or his campaign.

And I see you have no link.

(08-10-2018 10:09 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(08-10-2018 08:45 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Dude. Provide me facts of the corruption of Mueller and the FBI with Steele and Obama, Hillary, et. al. and I'll grab a torch right along with you. Until then, stop assuming all your conspiratorial nonsense is fact. Kay?

Have you once seen me post that trump, or someone on his campaign clearly colluded with Russia? No, I haven't. Because again, I'm waiting for the investigation to complete...as should you. Of course you've already planted your flag (likely being brainwashed by trump, rudy and your media) that you won't believe anything Mueller finds anyway.

How about just concentrating on the question I asked and answering it honestly? I neither asked, nor mentioned, ANYTHING about Mueller and his investigation.

Change the date, administrations, etc, looking at what's now in the public domain, and tell me you'd have been just hunky-dory with the FBI investigating the Obama administration, including well after he'd taken office.

Can you?

With the evidence, or lack thereof, of an FBI conspiracy here, yes, I would be saying the same exact thing.

All you have is a bunch of theories at this point.

(08-10-2018 10:30 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

Quote:The Ohr interview and many other now-public actions in the Russia collusion case are “breaking every protocol at the fundamental level of intelligence gathering,” one highly decorated intelligence professional told me.

now-public actions

THIS is what I'm getting at while trying to drag an honest answer out of RWT but he keeps deflecting to the Bueller investigation and demanding evidence of corruption.

Wonder if he'd have been so patient with Bush's DOJ and FBI? Probably never know, though I suspect I know the real answer.

Where did this quote come from?

(08-10-2018 10:40 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 04:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 04:03 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 03:58 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 03:26 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  Translation: Look, over there, shiny.

Exactly...anything to deflect from the looming train wreck of your orange overlord.

An honest question Tom. Does anything that's been revealed about how, when, and why the FBI got involved in this case, the methods they used, and how they've responded to congressional oversight bother you in the least?
Can you tell us that had this been the Bush administration's DOJ and FBI investigating the Obama campaign and later his administration, that you'd not have raised your voice?
I ask because I can't say I've seen you raise your voice on virtually anything related to the FBI......only on Trump-Russia collusion and perhaps Trump obstruction of justice.

As I've said on numerous occasions, I'm waiting for Mueller to complete his report.

What part of "waiting for Mueller to complete his report" is "the looming train wreck of your orange overlord"? Just asking.

On the one hand you are waiting on the report, but on the other you've already assumed what it is going to say? Gotcha.

Where did I say the report would be the train wreck?

(08-10-2018 10:44 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-10-2018 10:39 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The Steele Dossier wasn’t the sole reason for the FISA warrants. There are so many holes in your arguments. But in the end this is going to be a political exercise. The GOP won’t turn on Trump. His base will not turn on Trump. It is a cult of personality. Reason went out the window a long time ago with the Trumpers.

Andrew McCabe testified under oath that, without the dossier, there would have been no fisa warrant. So please retract and disavow your fake news.

Dude, you really need to drop this lunacy of these pathetic demands to disavow things. You have no standing to demand squat. To wit:

Quote:The highly controversial memo from Committee Chairman Devin Nunes claimed McCabe testified that "no surveillance warrant would have been sought" for a Trump campaign aide without a disputed opposition-research dossier on Trump and Russia. Not so says McCabe -- the former No. 2 official at the FBI who signed one of the applications to surveil former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser Carter Page.

"We started the investigations without the dossier. We were proceeding with the investigations before we ever received that information," McCabe told CNN as part of a wide-ranging interview. "Was the dossier material important to the package? Of course, it was. As was every fact included in that package. Was it the majority of what was in the package? Absolutely not."

McCabe was fired Friday, less than two days shy of his official retirement.

McCabe says Republicans 'mischaracterized' his testimony on Trump dossier

What you need to "disavow" is your trump lackey Nunes. He keeps feeding you nonsense and you keep lapping it up..and looking foolish doing so.

Of course you can clear this up with a link to his actual testimony to the house committee.

(08-10-2018 11:08 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-10-2018 10:52 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  FISA warrants were running on Page before the Dossier. European allies were running to the US with troubling info. You need to read other sources pal. Don’t go through life like Flounder in animal house.



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-court...nt-n893666

Quote me in that garbage you linked that showed the date of the first APPROVED Fisa application in 2016 for Carter Page.

Bump. Please provide the above corroboration from your link, or retract and disavow your fake news.

(08-10-2018 01:04 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-10-2018 11:08 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-10-2018 10:52 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  FISA warrants were running on Page before the Dossier. European allies were running to the US with troubling info. You need to read other sources pal. Don’t go through life like Flounder in animal house.



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-court...nt-n893666

Quote me in that garbage you linked that showed the date of the first APPROVED Fisa application in 2016 for Carter Page.

Bump. Please provide the above corroboration from your link, or retract and disavow your fake news.

Or?

(08-10-2018 01:06 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-10-2018 01:04 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-10-2018 11:08 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-10-2018 10:52 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  FISA warrants were running on Page before the Dossier. European allies were running to the US with troubling info. You need to read other sources pal. Don’t go through life like Flounder in animal house.



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-court...nt-n893666

Quote me in that garbage you linked that showed the date of the first APPROVED Fisa application in 2016 for Carter Page.

Bump. Please provide the above corroboration from your link, or retract and disavow your fake news.

Or?

Is the person who is the queen of reporting people on this site seriously asking what happens if they dont follow the rules?

(08-10-2018 12:47 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-10-2018 09:22 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-10-2018 08:45 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 04:36 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 04:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  As I've said on numerous occasions, I'm waiting for Mueller to complete his report.

Regarding a couple of other things though. I can totally understand why the FBI would be more than reluctant to provide basically any information to a congressional committee chaired by trump lapdog Devin Nunes. If Ryan was a true leader, he would have replace Nunes with someone who was not compromised or had been a trump lackey, then you may have an actual argument here.

And for this particular "revelation," what did the FBI pay Steele for and what did they reprimand him for. We don't know...so excuse me if I don't automatically jump to your conspiratorial conclusions. Especially when they come from Judicial Watch and the Daily Caller.

Blah blah blah, non-answer. And fine, I should have known better.

How about this one anyway:

Quote:With everything in the public domain today, can you tell us that had this been the Bush administration's DOJ and FBI investigating the Obama campaign and later his administration, that you'd not have raised your voice?

Dude. Provide me facts of the corruption of Mueller and the FBI with Steele and Obama, Hillary, et. al. and I'll grab a torch right along with you. Until then, stop assuming all your conspiratorial nonsense is fact. Kay?

Have you once seen me post that trump, or someone on his campaign clearly colluded with Russia? No, I haven't. Because again, I'm waiting for the investigation to complete...as should you. Of course you've already planted your flag (likely being brainwashed by trump, rudy and your media) that you won't believe anything Mueller finds anyway.

Irony. So when Mueller’s report has no evidence but Mueller says Trump is a bad guy, what do you believe then?

Hardly. I've said it on many occasions here before. As long there is no clear evidence of corruption on the part of Mueller (and I'm not expecting any), I'm prepared to accept this coup no matter which side they fall on.

Fify

(08-10-2018 12:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-10-2018 10:40 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 04:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 04:03 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 03:58 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Exactly...anything to deflect from the looming train wreck of your orange overlord.

An honest question Tom. Does anything that's been revealed about how, when, and why the FBI got involved in this case, the methods they used, and how they've responded to congressional oversight bother you in the least?
Can you tell us that had this been the Bush administration's DOJ and FBI investigating the Obama campaign and later his administration, that you'd not have raised your voice?
I ask because I can't say I've seen you raise your voice on virtually anything related to the FBI......only on Trump-Russia collusion and perhaps Trump obstruction of justice.

As I've said on numerous occasions, I'm waiting for Mueller to complete his report.

What part of "waiting for Mueller to complete his report" is "the looming train wreck of your orange overlord"? Just asking.
On the one hand you are waiting on the report, but on the other you've already assumed what it is going to say? Gotcha.

Where did I say the report would be the train wreck?

You didn't. Where did I say that you did? Hint: I didn't.

I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy evident in your statements that you're waiting to see, but you've already prejudged what the result will be.

I'm also waiting, but without your prejudice. My only request is that the same rule be applied with equal vigor to all. I have relatively little expectation that will occur.

(08-10-2018 08:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 09:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 11:17 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  He Was Deemed ‘Not Suitable As A Source’



That means they were paying for opposition research to be done on Trump. So both the FBI and the Democrats were funding Steele’s who then paid Russian sources.

Quote:(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch announced today the FBI turned over 70 pages of heavily redacted records about Christopher Steele, the former British spy, hired with Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee funds, who authored the infamous Dossier targeting President Trump during last year’s presidential campaign. The documents show that Steele was cut off as a “Confidential Human Source” (CHS) after he disclosed his relationship with the FBI to a third party. The documents show at least 11 FBI payments to Steele in 2016 and document that he was admonished for unknown reasons in February 2016. The documents were turned over in response to Judicial Watch Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit against the U.S. Department of Justice for records of communications and payments between the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele and his private firm, Orbis Business Intelligence (Judicial Watch v. U.S. Department of Justice (No. 1:17-cv-00916)).

The documents include a “source closing communication” that states that Steele (referred to as “CHS” or Confidential Human Source) “is being closed” because:

CHS confirmed to an outside third party that CHS has a confidential relationship with the FBI. CHS was used as a source for an online article. In the article, CHS revealed CHS’ relationship with the FBI as well as information that CHS obtained and provided to FBI. On November 1, 2016, CHS confirmed all of this to the handling agent. At that time, handling agent advised CHS that the nature of the relationship between the FBI and CHS would change completely and that it was unlikely that the FBI would continue a relationship with the CHS. Additionally, handling agent advised that CHS was not to operate to obtain any intelligence whatsoever on behalf of the FBI.

Keep reading here...

I also see FBI payments to Steele began long before Popodoplus supposedly made his drunken comments about The Russians having damaging information on Hillary. The Justice Department narrative regarding the origins of the investigation continues to unravel.

Got a credible link to what the payments were for?

You think he cobbled together the most important work of fiction in a generation for free?

Any insight on all this “other information” he was working on and getting paid for?

Cmon. This is being thick even for you.

(08-10-2018 01:06 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-10-2018 01:04 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-10-2018 11:08 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-10-2018 10:52 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  FISA warrants were running on Page before the Dossier. European allies were running to the US with troubling info. You need to read other sources pal. Don’t go through life like Flounder in animal house.



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-court...nt-n893666

Quote me in that garbage you linked that showed the date of the first APPROVED Fisa application in 2016 for Carter Page.

Bump. Please provide the above corroboration from your link, or retract and disavow your fake news.

Or?

He'll report you.

(08-10-2018 10:39 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The Steele Dossier wasn’t the sole reason for the FISA warrants. There are so many holes in your arguments. But in the end this is going to be a political exercise. The GOP won’t turn on Trump. His base will not turn on Trump. It is a cult of personality. Reason went out the window a long time ago with the Trumpers.

Only a FISA warrant wouldn’t have ever been sought without it according to Fired Andy I think it was. The other part was the corroborating article by hacks Isikoff and Corn (I think, not looking) two of the most rabid unhinged leftists out there. The article for yahoo “news”? Yea, based on the fake dossier leaked to them by Steele.

Turn on him at this point for what? What’s he been charged with? What’s he suspected of? By whom? Madcow?!? What’s he been convicted of, ever?

You got even a past due Parking ticket or something lying around?!?

(08-10-2018 10:52 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  FISA warrants were running on Page before the Dossier. European allies were running to the US with troubling info. You need to read other sources pal. Don’t go through life like Flounder in animal house.



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-court...nt-n893666

And what has Page ever been charged with or convicted of?

You don’t see a clear pattern here? Anyone that served in damn near ANY capacity, from an unpaid, hanger on like a papadopolous, to a short term campaign manager like manafort, to a guy that’s never even MET the President, Carter page, and everyone in between was being spied upon by zeros admin, Lynch’s DOJ, Fired Comeys fbi.

What on earth business does a UN Ambassador have in unmasking people at a rate of one a day? What intelligence agency does she work for?

Not a smidgen?!? Likely the most corrupt in history. Apparently the one thing they were kinda good at... til they failed and got caught...

(08-10-2018 02:05 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(08-10-2018 10:39 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The Steele Dossier wasn’t the sole reason for the FISA warrants. There are so many holes in your arguments. But in the end this is going to be a political exercise. The GOP won’t turn on Trump. His base will not turn on Trump. It is a cult of personality. Reason went out the window a long time ago with the Trumpers.

Only a FISA warrant wouldn’t have ever been sought without it according to Fired Andy I think it was. The other part was the corroborating article by hacks Isikoff and Corn (I think, not looking) two of the most rabid unhinged leftists out there. The article for yahoo “news”? Yea, based on the fake dossier leaked to them by Steele.

Turn on him at this point for what? What’s he been charged with? What’s he suspected of? By whom? Madcow?!? What’s he been convicted of, ever?

You got even a past due Parking ticket or something lying around?!?

Not true. That's lapdog Nunes and UofM's version of events.

McCabe says Republicans 'mischaracterized' his testimony on Trump dossier