(08-10-2018 05:58 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 04:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 04:03 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 03:58 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 03:26 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  Translation: Look, over there, shiny.

Exactly...anything to deflect from the looming train wreck of your orange overlord.

An honest question Tom. Does anything that's been revealed about how, when, and why the FBI got involved in this case, the methods they used, and how they've responded to congressional oversight bother you in the least?

Can you tell us that had this been the Bush administration's DOJ and FBI investigating the Obama campaign and later his administration, that you'd not have raised your voice?

I ask because I can't say I've seen you raise your voice on virtually anything related to the FBI......only on Trump-Russia collusion and perhaps Trump obstruction of justice.

As I've said on numerous occasions, I'm waiting for Mueller to complete his report.

Regarding a couple of other things though. I can totally understand why the FBI would be more than reluctant to provide basically any information to a congressional committee chaired by trump lapdog Devin Nunes. If Ryan was a true leader, he would have replace Nunes with someone who was not compromised or had been a trump lackey, then you may have an actual argument here.

And for this particular "revelation," what did the FBI pay Steele for and what did they reprimand him for. We don't know...so excuse me if I don't automatically jump to your conspiratorial conclusions. Especially when they come from Judicial Watch and the Daily Caller.

Yes we do. He was paid for the dossier. He was reprimanded and "cut loose" as a source for taking the same information that the FBI paid for to the media (Yahoo). The Yahoo story was then used to corroborate his dossier. I believe that is actually in links within this thread - possibly the other one on the topic.

By the FBI? Try again. From your propaganda outlet in the OP:

Quote:Eleven (11) FD-794b, Payment Requests. (It appears Steele was paid money eleven of the thirteen times he met with the FBI and gave them information.)

Information about what? Steele was a British spy who was likely privy to all sorts of information the FBI might desire. And requesting payment and appearing that it was paid is not fact that it was nor does it prove what it was for.

And:

Quote:and document that he was admonished for unknown reasons in February 2016

(08-09-2018 11:15 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 10:06 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  John Solomon broke tonite that some of Bruce Ohr's handwritten notes show that they were having Steele feed the dossier directly to Mueller after Mueller was appointed.

Like I said, team taint.

Lordy. I wonder if that's why his Orange Magnificence said, Stay Tuned!?

RWT: Nothing unusual to see here, wait till Bueller finishes his investigation, move along.

Who is John Solomon...and got a link to what he actually is claiming?

(08-09-2018 09:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 11:17 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  He Was Deemed ‘Not Suitable As A Source’



That means they were paying for opposition research to be done on Trump. So both the FBI and the Democrats were funding Steele’s who then paid Russian sources.

Quote:(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch announced today the FBI turned over 70 pages of heavily redacted records about Christopher Steele, the former British spy, hired with Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee funds, who authored the infamous Dossier targeting President Trump during last year’s presidential campaign. The documents show that Steele was cut off as a “Confidential Human Source” (CHS) after he disclosed his relationship with the FBI to a third party. The documents show at least 11 FBI payments to Steele in 2016 and document that he was admonished for unknown reasons in February 2016. The documents were turned over in response to Judicial Watch Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit against the U.S. Department of Justice for records of communications and payments between the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele and his private firm, Orbis Business Intelligence (Judicial Watch v. U.S. Department of Justice (No. 1:17-cv-00916)).

The documents include a “source closing communication” that states that Steele (referred to as “CHS” or Confidential Human Source) “is being closed” because:

CHS confirmed to an outside third party that CHS has a confidential relationship with the FBI. CHS was used as a source for an online article. In the article, CHS revealed CHS’ relationship with the FBI as well as information that CHS obtained and provided to FBI. On November 1, 2016, CHS confirmed all of this to the handling agent. At that time, handling agent advised CHS that the nature of the relationship between the FBI and CHS would change completely and that it was unlikely that the FBI would continue a relationship with the CHS. Additionally, handling agent advised that CHS was not to operate to obtain any intelligence whatsoever on behalf of the FBI.

Keep reading here...

I also see FBI payments to Steele began long before Popodoplus supposedly made his drunken comments about The Russians having damaging information on Hillary. The Justice Department narrative regarding the origins of the investigation continues to unravel.

Got a credible link to what the payments were for?

(08-10-2018 01:16 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 04:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  As I've said on numerous occasions, I'm waiting for Mueller to complete his report.

In case the obvious escapes you, let me help you out. Robert Muller's goal is not a "completed report". His goal is to keep this embarrassment going through the mid-terms to pick up as many opposition seats as possible while simultaneously driving down Trump's approval numbers to a point where he can't effectively govern. IOW, this is political, not legal.

That's a wonderful theory with no factual basis, but hey...I'm the one not living in reality, right?

(08-09-2018 04:36 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 04:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 04:03 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 03:58 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 03:26 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  Translation: Look, over there, shiny.

Exactly...anything to deflect from the looming train wreck of your orange overlord.

An honest question Tom. Does anything that's been revealed about how, when, and why the FBI got involved in this case, the methods they used, and how they've responded to congressional oversight bother you in the least?

Can you tell us that had this been the Bush administration's DOJ and FBI investigating the Obama campaign and later his administration, that you'd not have raised your voice?

I ask because I can't say I've seen you raise your voice on virtually anything related to the FBI......only on Trump-Russia collusion and perhaps Trump obstruction of justice.

As I've said on numerous occasions, I'm waiting for Mueller to complete his report.

Regarding a couple of other things though. I can totally understand why the FBI would be more than reluctant to provide basically any information to a congressional committee chaired by trump lapdog Devin Nunes. If Ryan was a true leader, he would have replace Nunes with someone who was not compromised or had been a trump lackey, then you may have an actual argument here.

And for this particular "revelation," what did the FBI pay Steele for and what did they reprimand him for. We don't know...so excuse me if I don't automatically jump to your conspiratorial conclusions. Especially when they come from Judicial Watch and the Daily Caller.

Blah blah blah, non-answer. And fine, I should have known better.

How about this one anyway:

Quote:With everything in the public domain today, can you tell us that had this been the Bush administration's DOJ and FBI investigating the Obama campaign and later his administration, that you'd not have raised your voice?

Dude. Provide me facts of the corruption of Mueller and the FBI with Steele and Obama, Hillary, et. al. and I'll grab a torch right along with you. Until then, stop assuming all your conspiratorial nonsense is fact. Kay?

Have you once seen me post that trump, or someone on his campaign clearly colluded with Russia? No, I haven't. Because again, I'm waiting for the investigation to complete...as should you. Of course you've already planted your flag (likely being brainwashed by trump, rudy and your media) that you won't believe anything Mueller finds anyway.

And now we know why team taint went after Michael Cohen. Unfortunately for team taint, this appears to be a direct involvement with Simpson/Steele, and the fake dossier, after Mueller was appointed and after Steele was supposed to no longer be an FBI source. Because, as the below shows, a meeting on Dec 10 between Ohr and Steele (after Steele was fired from the FBI and could no longer be used as a source) is when Steele tells the deep state about Cohen. And Mueller went after Cohen hard. The taint had spread into Muellers team.

For example, Simpson told then-Associate Deputy Attorney General Bruce Ohr during the Dec. 10, 2016, meeting in a Washington coffee shop that he believed Trump’s longtime lawyer, Michael Cohen, was the “go-between from Russia to the Trump campaign.”

And yea, we're going to want that memory stick Bruce.

Ohr made clear he took possession of some evidence from Simpson, writing: “Glen gave me a memory stick.”

Intelligence officials are not amused by the corruption.
The Ohr interview and many other now-public actions in the Russia collusion case are “breaking every protocol at the fundamental level of intelligence gathering,” one highly decorated intelligence professional told me.


We warned you not to go down that rabbit hole.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-855035-page-3.html

(08-10-2018 08:45 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 04:36 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 04:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 04:03 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 03:58 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Exactly...anything to deflect from the looming train wreck of your orange overlord.

An honest question Tom. Does anything that's been revealed about how, when, and why the FBI got involved in this case, the methods they used, and how they've responded to congressional oversight bother you in the least?

Can you tell us that had this been the Bush administration's DOJ and FBI investigating the Obama campaign and later his administration, that you'd not have raised your voice?

I ask because I can't say I've seen you raise your voice on virtually anything related to the FBI......only on Trump-Russia collusion and perhaps Trump obstruction of justice.

As I've said on numerous occasions, I'm waiting for Mueller to complete his report.

Regarding a couple of other things though. I can totally understand why the FBI would be more than reluctant to provide basically any information to a congressional committee chaired by trump lapdog Devin Nunes. If Ryan was a true leader, he would have replace Nunes with someone who was not compromised or had been a trump lackey, then you may have an actual argument here.

And for this particular "revelation," what did the FBI pay Steele for and what did they reprimand him for. We don't know...so excuse me if I don't automatically jump to your conspiratorial conclusions. Especially when they come from Judicial Watch and the Daily Caller.

Blah blah blah, non-answer. And fine, I should have known better.

How about this one anyway:

Quote:With everything in the public domain today, can you tell us that had this been the Bush administration's DOJ and FBI investigating the Obama campaign and later his administration, that you'd not have raised your voice?

Dude. Provide me facts of the corruption of Mueller and the FBI with Steele and Obama, Hillary, et. al. and I'll grab a torch right along with you. Until then, stop assuming all your conspiratorial nonsense is fact. Kay?

Have you once seen me post that trump, or someone on his campaign clearly colluded with Russia? No, I haven't. Because again, I'm waiting for the investigation to complete...as should you. Of course you've already planted your flag (likely being brainwashed by trump, rudy and your media) that you won't believe anything Mueller finds anyway.

Irony. So when Mueller’s report has no evidence but Mueller says Trump is a bad guy, what do you believe then?

(08-09-2018 03:26 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 02:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Maybe this will finally get Obama impeached.

Translation: Look, over there, shiny.

Look kids! Big Ben!!


(hopefully some of you get the reference)

(08-10-2018 08:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 09:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 11:17 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  He Was Deemed ‘Not Suitable As A Source’



That means they were paying for opposition research to be done on Trump. So both the FBI and the Democrats were funding Steele’s who then paid Russian sources.

Quote:(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch announced today the FBI turned over 70 pages of heavily redacted records about Christopher Steele, the former British spy, hired with Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee funds, who authored the infamous Dossier targeting President Trump during last year’s presidential campaign. The documents show that Steele was cut off as a “Confidential Human Source” (CHS) after he disclosed his relationship with the FBI to a third party. The documents show at least 11 FBI payments to Steele in 2016 and document that he was admonished for unknown reasons in February 2016. The documents were turned over in response to Judicial Watch Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit against the U.S. Department of Justice for records of communications and payments between the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele and his private firm, Orbis Business Intelligence (Judicial Watch v. U.S. Department of Justice (No. 1:17-cv-00916)).

The documents include a “source closing communication” that states that Steele (referred to as “CHS” or Confidential Human Source) “is being closed” because:

CHS confirmed to an outside third party that CHS has a confidential relationship with the FBI. CHS was used as a source for an online article. In the article, CHS revealed CHS’ relationship with the FBI as well as information that CHS obtained and provided to FBI. On November 1, 2016, CHS confirmed all of this to the handling agent. At that time, handling agent advised CHS that the nature of the relationship between the FBI and CHS would change completely and that it was unlikely that the FBI would continue a relationship with the CHS. Additionally, handling agent advised that CHS was not to operate to obtain any intelligence whatsoever on behalf of the FBI.

Keep reading here...

I also see FBI payments to Steele began long before Popodoplus supposedly made his drunken comments about The Russians having damaging information on Hillary. The Justice Department narrative regarding the origins of the investigation continues to unravel.

Got a credible link to what the payments were for?

Got a credible link to any indication of actual collusion? Remember—Steele himself testified under oath in the U.K. that his dossier is not corroborated and likley mostly untrue. Keep in mind that the Obama administration had 17 US intelligence agencies monitoring this in real time during 2016 along with planted spies INSIDE the Trump campaign and still—more than 2 years later have not been able to make not a single indictment against the Trump campaign for anything remotely related to campaign collusion. That’s devastatingly strong circumstantial evidence that this whole thing was nothing more than a manufactured pretext to spy on the opposition party. The crumbling narrative regarding the origins of the case along with the fact the origins narrative cast turns out to be full of DNC and Clinton loyalist feels very manufactured. Now we see the Steele payments aren’t matching up with the origins narrative. Sorry, but an halfway unbiased individual has to be prett skeptical of the Mueller probe at this point. At the very least, it’s becoming clear the misbehavior of our Justice Dept under Obama is likely a serious criminal matter and at worse—the worst Constitutional misuse of power since Hoover ran the FBI.

(08-10-2018 08:45 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Dude. Provide me facts of the corruption of Mueller and the FBI with Steele and Obama, Hillary, et. al. and I'll grab a torch right along with you. Until then, stop assuming all your conspiratorial nonsense is fact. Kay?

Have you once seen me post that trump, or someone on his campaign clearly colluded with Russia? No, I haven't. Because again, I'm waiting for the investigation to complete...as should you. Of course you've already planted your flag (likely being brainwashed by trump, rudy and your media) that you won't believe anything Mueller finds anyway.

How about just concentrating on the question I asked and answering it honestly? I neither asked, nor mentioned, ANYTHING about Mueller and his investigation.

Change the date, administrations, etc, looking at what's now in the public domain, and tell me you'd have been just hunky-dory with the FBI investigating the Obama administration, including well after he'd taken office.

Can you?

(08-10-2018 08:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-10-2018 05:58 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 04:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 04:03 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 03:58 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Exactly...anything to deflect from the looming train wreck of your orange overlord.

An honest question Tom. Does anything that's been revealed about how, when, and why the FBI got involved in this case, the methods they used, and how they've responded to congressional oversight bother you in the least?

Can you tell us that had this been the Bush administration's DOJ and FBI investigating the Obama campaign and later his administration, that you'd not have raised your voice?

I ask because I can't say I've seen you raise your voice on virtually anything related to the FBI......only on Trump-Russia collusion and perhaps Trump obstruction of justice.

As I've said on numerous occasions, I'm waiting for Mueller to complete his report.

Regarding a couple of other things though. I can totally understand why the FBI would be more than reluctant to provide basically any information to a congressional committee chaired by trump lapdog Devin Nunes. If Ryan was a true leader, he would have replace Nunes with someone who was not compromised or had been a trump lackey, then you may have an actual argument here.

And for this particular "revelation," what did the FBI pay Steele for and what did they reprimand him for. We don't know...so excuse me if I don't automatically jump to your conspiratorial conclusions. Especially when they come from Judicial Watch and the Daily Caller.

Yes we do. He was paid for the dossier. He was reprimanded and "cut loose" as a source for taking the same information that the FBI paid for to the media (Yahoo). The Yahoo story was then used to corroborate his dossier. I believe that is actually in links within this thread - possibly the other one on the topic.

By the FBI? Try again. From your propaganda outlet in the OP:

Quote:Eleven (11) FD-794b, Payment Requests. (It appears Steele was paid money eleven of the thirteen times he met with the FBI and gave them information.)

Information about what? Steele was a British spy who was likely privy to all sorts of information the FBI might desire. And requesting payment and appearing that it was paid is not fact that it was nor does it prove what it was for.

And:

Quote:and document that he was admonished for unknown reasons in February 2016

https://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content...-3.pdf?V=1

So somethign intereting. "Admonishment" is no criticism of the source, 'but a briefing on the rules of being an informant to ensure the souce complies with guidelines set by the Attorney General' according to this NBC article. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-court...le-n897506

So Steele was told the rules in Feb 2016, and was paid 11 times between Feb 16 and Oct 16. Steele was notified by the FBI he was being terminated as a source for telling the media he was a source for the FBI in Nov 16. The article Isikoff wrote was published Sept 23 2016.

Do you really expect to get anything that comes out and says "the FBI paid Steele on these dates for this information that he then told to Isikoff who had it published on Yahoo. The FBI found out Steele talked to the media and terminated his status as a source as a result."

Quote:The Ohr interview and many other now-public actions in the Russia collusion case are “breaking every protocol at the fundamental level of intelligence gathering,” one highly decorated intelligence professional told me.

now-public actions

THIS is what I'm getting at while trying to drag an honest answer out of RWT but he keeps deflecting to the Bueller investigation and demanding evidence of corruption.

Wonder if he'd have been so patient with Bush's DOJ and FBI? Probably never know, though I suspect I know the real answer.

The Steele Dossier wasn’t the sole reason for the FISA warrants. There are so many holes in your arguments. But in the end this is going to be a political exercise. The GOP won’t turn on Trump. His base will not turn on Trump. It is a cult of personality. Reason went out the window a long time ago with the Trumpers.

(08-09-2018 04:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 04:03 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 03:58 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 03:26 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 02:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Maybe this will finally get Obama impeached.

Translation: Look, over there, shiny.

Exactly...anything to deflect from the looming train wreck of your orange overlord.

An honest question Tom. Does anything that's been revealed about how, when, and why the FBI got involved in this case, the methods they used, and how they've responded to congressional oversight bother you in the least?
Can you tell us that had this been the Bush administration's DOJ and FBI investigating the Obama campaign and later his administration, that you'd not have raised your voice?
I ask because I can't say I've seen you raise your voice on virtually anything related to the FBI......only on Trump-Russia collusion and perhaps Trump obstruction of justice.

As I've said on numerous occasions, I'm waiting for Mueller to complete his report.

What part of "waiting for Mueller to complete his report" is "the looming train wreck of your orange overlord"? Just asking.

On the one hand you are waiting on the report, but on the other you've already assumed what it is going to say? Gotcha.

(08-10-2018 10:39 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The Steele Dossier wasn’t the sole reason for the FISA warrants. There are so many holes in your arguments. But in the end this is going to be a political exercise. The GOP won’t turn on Trump. His base will not turn on Trump. It is a cult of personality. Reason went out the window a long time ago with the Trumpers.

Andrew McCabe testified under oath that, without the dossier, there would have been no fisa warrant. So please retract and disavow your fake news.

FISA warrants were running on Page before the Dossier. European allies were running to the US with troubling info. You need to read other sources pal. Don’t go through life like Flounder in animal house.



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-court...nt-n893666

(08-10-2018 10:39 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The Steele Dossier wasn’t the sole reason for the FISA warrants.

Do you understand that, from a legal perspective, that is irrelevant?

If any part of it was used, it had to be squeaky clean. It wasn't.

(08-10-2018 10:52 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  FISA warrants were running on Page before the Dossier. European allies were running to the US with troubling info. You need to read other sources pal. Don’t go through life like Flounder in animal house.



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-court...nt-n893666

so you have more faith in a news article than the testimony of deputy director of the FBI?

(08-10-2018 10:52 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  FISA warrants were running on Page before the Dossier. European allies were running to the US with troubling info. You need to read other sources pal. Don’t go through life like Flounder in animal house.



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-court...nt-n893666

At some point you will learn the difference between news and editorials. Of course, it’s at least excusable that you don’t know the difference when so called news outlets like CNN and MSNBC also don’t know the difference.

(08-10-2018 10:52 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  FISA warrants were running on Page before the Dossier. European allies were running to the US with troubling info. You need to read other sources pal. Don’t go through life like Flounder in animal house.



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-court...nt-n893666

Quote me in that garbage you linked that showed the date of the first APPROVED Fisa application in 2016 for Carter Page.