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(08-06-2018 02:12 PM)Neelys Ghost Wrote:  Finally.. a Topic within the expertise of the Ghost.... Everyone makes decent points... Let me try and put some emphasis on the good points made and hopefully shed a light of optimism for fans going into the year:
1) Coaching is everything.... The old staff threw darts at the wall schematically... Literally... "(2016) Uh... Texas Tech has good offense, let's run that one" .... "(2017) Well that sucked because we were slow, so why don't we just run that stuff Pitt runs, because it has a lot of motion and stuff"... fail.... Then instead of admitting incompetent scheme or development, they just blamed personnel... I won't go into that.. My readers (all three of you) know how I felt about the ABO.
1A) Coaching is everything (continued)... cultivating a culture... having an identity... an offense that is connected and builds packages off of "hat hanger" plays.... Coach Bloom identified it the very first day: "We are a team that will run the Power"... Then he has backed it up with "oklahoma drills", 9 v 7 live inside hull, etc.
On those points alone, Tyner and Glaesman are both/either worth 3-5 more wins than last year.
2) "A Real competition"... Trust me.. you just have to trust me and listen to the people referring to "Lightning in a bottle", etc. last year, at no time, was a QB trusted to play to his strengths.. Not any of them. For instance, one told not to throw deep, one told never to run, etc.... They were handcuffed by total and complete incompetence and coaches who put politics ahead of play. The ABO has covered that in depth. Those coaches were acting to protect resumes, recruiting labels, and their next job interview...
Coach Bloom is here to win. He might win quick and leave quick, but hes not here to appease any narrative other than winning.
3) For my money, which won't buy any of you a cup of coffee from this computer, I love the fact that we have:
a) a guy with NFL arm talent
b) a guy that practiced in an SEC program
c) a athlete who can run
(those are words from the coaches, not me)......... Sure, I'm pulling for "a)", but I am confident the product on offense will not even be recognizable from anything anyone saw the last two years with any of those guys.

Good points.

I will be far more concerned that the product on defense will be unrecognizable to anyone who saw the last two years--or last 11, for that matter.
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I read on Twitter that there is a scrimmage tonight and they will re-work the depth chart after that, then another scrimmage Saturday. So my guess is the game 1 QB starter will be known this weekend (whether we will know, I have no idea). One thing I loved about Bloom's quote on the scrimmage setting the depth chart is that "is how meritocracy works". I think he is going to play the players he thinks give us the best chance without any other considerations.
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(08-06-2018 03:20 PM)Rice FB Fan Wrote:  I read on Twitter that there is a scrimmage tonight and they will re-work the depth chart after that, then another scrimmage Saturday. So my guess is the game 1 QB starter will be known this weekend (whether we will know, I have no idea). One thing I loved about Bloom's quote on the scrimmage setting the depth chart is that "is how meritocracy works". I think he is going to play the players he thinks give us the best chance without any other considerations.

Yep, and that's been a very important part of his recruiting pitch. Guys are going to be given every opportunity to start from the get-go, especially with his first 2 - 3 recruiting classes.
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I can live with a 2QB rotation as long as it approaches the effectiveness of Hill/Ryan. 04-cheers
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(08-06-2018 03:25 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  I can live with a 2QB rotation as long as it approaches the effectiveness of Hill/Ryan. 04-cheers

I literally laughed out loud!! 03-lmfao
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(08-05-2018 11:13 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(08-05-2018 07:57 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
(08-05-2018 06:59 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(08-05-2018 06:56 PM)Ourland Wrote:  So if he has to, Bloomgren will handle the QB battle in the same way Bailiff did.

Year 1 and year 11 are different. You can inherit no QB in year one and have to deal. Year 11 if you have no QBs, then it's your fault.

The other difference is Bloomgren is saying this up front vs acting like we have a #1 and then pulling the "lightning in a bottle" crap.

So yes, same potential result of QB shuffling but one had a decade to recruit one and therefore should get cut no slack.

But yes, even if we dont have a QB I expect whoever we have to not have chronic meltdowns like years past. There is no excuse for poor preparation and sloppy play - year 1, 11 or 111.

I remember Bailiff choosing Glaesman early, but he was injured in the second game. The shuffling of QB's then ensued, and none of them were effective, especially Tyner. I agree that the team was never adequately prepared to play, but I think the QB nightmare of last season developed under it's own momentum, not by indecisiveness on Bailiffs part IMO. Granato's transfer out compounded the problem .

Glaesman and Tyner being ineffective last year - we should have known that going in. it wasn't like either tore it up in the spring game or anything else we saw. Next, Smalls was clearly not planned - he wasn't even remotely ready to play. He looked like we picked a dude out of the stands and threw him in the game; being even less prepared than the average Bailiff team was pretty impressive and that seems to indicate he wasn't even being considered to see field time last year.

This was not a situation where we lost Peyton Manning and had a useless backup like Curtis Painter, which resulted in a bad season. We had nothing but Curtis Painter on our roster. Glaesman, Tyner and Smalls in year 11 as the top 3.. thats the problem to begin with, less so who gets the nod.

FTR- Bill Polian got canned after the Colts went 2-14 after losing Manning. Because again, there is no excuse to have Curtis Painter on your roster as your best option.

I doubt that any of our quarterbacks can be described as "good." I agree with that. Some of that is a result of poor recruiting, and the rest is a result of poor coaching. Neither of our top two quarterbacks last year were prepared to play. Glaesman was so scared that he couldn't hold onto the ball, but Tyner was an even bigger disappointment if you ask me. He started against FIU and Pitt and couldn't spark the offense. He didn't turn the ball over like the other two did, but he wasn't effective at all. That's when things got ridiculous. Smalls was thrown into the mix, and it didn't work. At least the coaches tried everything they could. I don't blame them for trying. I do blame them for poor coaching.
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(08-06-2018 03:20 PM)Rice FB Fan Wrote:  I read on Twitter that there is a scrimmage tonight and they will re-work the depth chart after that, then another scrimmage Saturday. So my guess is the game 1 QB starter will be known this weekend (whether we will know, I have no idea). One thing I loved about Bloom's quote on the scrimmage setting the depth chart is that "is how meritocracy works". I think he is going to play the players he thinks give us the best chance without any other considerations.

+1.
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(08-06-2018 05:06 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
(08-05-2018 11:13 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(08-05-2018 07:57 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
(08-05-2018 06:59 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(08-05-2018 06:56 PM)Ourland Wrote:  So if he has to, Bloomgren will handle the QB battle in the same way Bailiff did.

Year 1 and year 11 are different. You can inherit no QB in year one and have to deal. Year 11 if you have no QBs, then it's your fault.

The other difference is Bloomgren is saying this up front vs acting like we have a #1 and then pulling the "lightning in a bottle" crap.

So yes, same potential result of QB shuffling but one had a decade to recruit one and therefore should get cut no slack.

But yes, even if we dont have a QB I expect whoever we have to not have chronic meltdowns like years past. There is no excuse for poor preparation and sloppy play - year 1, 11 or 111.

I remember Bailiff choosing Glaesman early, but he was injured in the second game. The shuffling of QB's then ensued, and none of them were effective, especially Tyner. I agree that the team was never adequately prepared to play, but I think the QB nightmare of last season developed under it's own momentum, not by indecisiveness on Bailiffs part IMO. Granato's transfer out compounded the problem .

Glaesman and Tyner being ineffective last year - we should have known that going in. it wasn't like either tore it up in the spring game or anything else we saw. Next, Smalls was clearly not planned - he wasn't even remotely ready to play. He looked like we picked a dude out of the stands and threw him in the game; being even less prepared than the average Bailiff team was pretty impressive and that seems to indicate he wasn't even being considered to see field time last year.

This was not a situation where we lost Peyton Manning and had a useless backup like Curtis Painter, which resulted in a bad season. We had nothing but Curtis Painter on our roster. Glaesman, Tyner and Smalls in year 11 as the top 3.. thats the problem to begin with, less so who gets the nod.

FTR- Bill Polian got canned after the Colts went 2-14 after losing Manning. Because again, there is no excuse to have Curtis Painter on your roster as your best option.

I doubt that any of our quarterbacks can be described as "good." I agree with that. Some of that is a result of poor recruiting, and the rest is a result of poor coaching. Neither of our top two quarterbacks last year were prepared to play. Glaesman was so scared that he couldn't hold onto the ball, but Tyner was an even bigger disappointment if you ask me. He started against FIU and Pitt and couldn't spark the offense. He didn't turn the ball over like the other two did, but he wasn't effective at all. That's when things got ridiculous. Smalls was thrown into the mix, and it didn't work. At least the coaches tried everything they could. I don't blame them for trying. I do blame them for poor coaching.

They didn’t try resigning mid season which may have helped and just let the players call plays.
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(08-06-2018 05:33 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  
(08-06-2018 05:06 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
(08-05-2018 11:13 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(08-05-2018 07:57 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
(08-05-2018 06:59 PM)Antarius Wrote:  Year 1 and year 11 are different. You can inherit no QB in year one and have to deal. Year 11 if you have no QBs, then it's your fault.

The other difference is Bloomgren is saying this up front vs acting like we have a #1 and then pulling the "lightning in a bottle" crap.

So yes, same potential result of QB shuffling but one had a decade to recruit one and therefore should get cut no slack.

But yes, even if we dont have a QB I expect whoever we have to not have chronic meltdowns like years past. There is no excuse for poor preparation and sloppy play - year 1, 11 or 111.

I remember Bailiff choosing Glaesman early, but he was injured in the second game. The shuffling of QB's then ensued, and none of them were effective, especially Tyner. I agree that the team was never adequately prepared to play, but I think the QB nightmare of last season developed under it's own momentum, not by indecisiveness on Bailiffs part IMO. Granato's transfer out compounded the problem .

Glaesman and Tyner being ineffective last year - we should have known that going in. it wasn't like either tore it up in the spring game or anything else we saw. Next, Smalls was clearly not planned - he wasn't even remotely ready to play. He looked like we picked a dude out of the stands and threw him in the game; being even less prepared than the average Bailiff team was pretty impressive and that seems to indicate he wasn't even being considered to see field time last year.

This was not a situation where we lost Peyton Manning and had a useless backup like Curtis Painter, which resulted in a bad season. We had nothing but Curtis Painter on our roster. Glaesman, Tyner and Smalls in year 11 as the top 3.. thats the problem to begin with, less so who gets the nod.

FTR- Bill Polian got canned after the Colts went 2-14 after losing Manning. Because again, there is no excuse to have Curtis Painter on your roster as your best option.

I doubt that any of our quarterbacks can be described as "good." I agree with that. Some of that is a result of poor recruiting, and the rest is a result of poor coaching. Neither of our top two quarterbacks last year were prepared to play. Glaesman was so scared that he couldn't hold onto the ball, but Tyner was an even bigger disappointment if you ask me. He started against FIU and Pitt and couldn't spark the offense. He didn't turn the ball over like the other two did, but he wasn't effective at all. That's when things got ridiculous. Smalls was thrown into the mix, and it didn't work. At least the coaches tried everything they could. I don't blame them for trying. I do blame them for poor coaching.

They didn’t try resigning mid season which may have helped and just let the players call plays.

At least we can't call them quitters as well.
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(08-06-2018 06:32 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
(08-06-2018 05:33 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  
(08-06-2018 05:06 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
(08-05-2018 11:13 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(08-05-2018 07:57 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I remember Bailiff choosing Glaesman early, but he was injured in the second game. The shuffling of QB's then ensued, and none of them were effective, especially Tyner. I agree that the team was never adequately prepared to play, but I think the QB nightmare of last season developed under it's own momentum, not by indecisiveness on Bailiffs part IMO. Granato's transfer out compounded the problem .

Glaesman and Tyner being ineffective last year - we should have known that going in. it wasn't like either tore it up in the spring game or anything else we saw. Next, Smalls was clearly not planned - he wasn't even remotely ready to play. He looked like we picked a dude out of the stands and threw him in the game; being even less prepared than the average Bailiff team was pretty impressive and that seems to indicate he wasn't even being considered to see field time last year.

This was not a situation where we lost Peyton Manning and had a useless backup like Curtis Painter, which resulted in a bad season. We had nothing but Curtis Painter on our roster. Glaesman, Tyner and Smalls in year 11 as the top 3.. thats the problem to begin with, less so who gets the nod.

FTR- Bill Polian got canned after the Colts went 2-14 after losing Manning. Because again, there is no excuse to have Curtis Painter on your roster as your best option.

I doubt that any of our quarterbacks can be described as "good." I agree with that. Some of that is a result of poor recruiting, and the rest is a result of poor coaching. Neither of our top two quarterbacks last year were prepared to play. Glaesman was so scared that he couldn't hold onto the ball, but Tyner was an even bigger disappointment if you ask me. He started against FIU and Pitt and couldn't spark the offense. He didn't turn the ball over like the other two did, but he wasn't effective at all. That's when things got ridiculous. Smalls was thrown into the mix, and it didn't work. At least the coaches tried everything they could. I don't blame them for trying. I do blame them for poor coaching.

They didn’t try resigning mid season which may have helped and just let the players call plays.

At least we can't call them quitters as well.

They’ve got that going for them which is nice
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...if nothing else
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I'm hoping Tyner can make the medium throws in this system to be successful. It's about accuracy for him. He has the arm strength and the athleticism and size to be serviceable at worst. But the system has to be somewhat effective - if it breaks down with the o-line not holding up, a guy with Glaesman's speed may be needed. If it weren't for Glaesman's poor handling of the football (multiple fumbles or head scratching interceptions), he would've developed a lot more last year as a passer.
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Absolutely. He couldn't get it going, and I'm hoping real hard that this system specifically capitalizes on Tyler's skill set. We need him to be effective, and we need him not to get hurt. Pray. It helps.
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(08-06-2018 09:25 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Absolutely. He couldn't get it going.

But....never mind
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Hey man, post a lot more often. We need you here.
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(08-06-2018 10:31 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Hey man, post a lot more often. We need you here.

I will just decided what I was going to say is better left unsaid
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(08-06-2018 10:54 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  
(08-06-2018 10:31 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Hey man, post a lot more often. We need you here.

I will just decided what I was going to say is better left unsaid

Look at the bright side, you no longer have to watch the genius of Billy Lynch's "offense" every week.

Such as pre snap motion that looks like this
[Image: MfDgJzM.gif]
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(08-06-2018 11:05 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(08-06-2018 10:54 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  
(08-06-2018 10:31 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Hey man, post a lot more often. We need you here.

I will just decided what I was going to say is better left unsaid

Look at the bright side, you no longer have to watch the genius of Billy Lynch's "offense" every week.

Such as pre snap motion that looks like this
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https://i.imgur.com/MfDgJzM.gif
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+1
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(08-06-2018 11:05 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(08-06-2018 10:54 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  
(08-06-2018 10:31 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Hey man, post a lot more often. We need you here.

I will just decided what I was going to say is better left unsaid

Look at the bright side, you no longer have to watch the genius of Billy Lynch's "offense" every week.

Such as pre snap motion that looks like this
[Image: MfDgJzM.gif]

+1. So good. That's really what he looked like!
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Takeaways from Rice's football scrimmage
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/...ium=social … via @houstonchron

Was he at the scrimmage?...First drive was three and out. two runs and incomplete pass.
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