(08-22-2018 11:48 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 11:38 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 11:25 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 11:13 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  If the bid is high enough including incentives for time remaining on the existing contract, I'm sure the presidents will approve an all ESPN deal as long as linear exposure is protected.

I seriously hope that any deal includes language about the way ESPN promotes or rather disparages the conference as a whole. I would think that they'd seriously assert that the mouse gives us some type of designation other than g5, if not the best long term strategy would be to keep a tier1 package for either NBC or CBS. I honestly think the negotiations are for a tier1 package if maybe 25 to 30 games that they could use to fill in around their p5 games . This may sound crazy but I think ESPN really wants our tier3 rights to add to their espn+ content and to also keep Amazon or Facebook locked out for a little while longer. Our 3rd tier package would be like the SEC to them when compared to their other g4 packages on ESPN +.

If we go solo with ESPN, I'd demand verbiage that any reference to the AAC as G5 by ESPN folks generates a $100k payment to the conference per utterance.

LOL, a P6 penalty jar sitting on the desk

We'd be making $56million per team by October....

(08-22-2018 11:48 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 11:38 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 11:25 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 11:13 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  If the bid is high enough including incentives for time remaining on the existing contract, I'm sure the presidents will approve an all ESPN deal as long as linear exposure is protected.

I seriously hope that any deal includes language about the way ESPN promotes or rather disparages the conference as a whole. I would think that they'd seriously assert that the mouse gives us some type of designation other than g5, if not the best long term strategy would be to keep a tier1 package for either NBC or CBS. I honestly think the negotiations are for a tier1 package if maybe 25 to 30 games that they could use to fill in around their p5 games . This may sound crazy but I think ESPN really wants our tier3 rights to add to their espn+ content and to also keep Amazon or Facebook locked out for a little while longer. Our 3rd tier package would be like the SEC to them when compared to their other g4 packages on ESPN +.

If we go solo with ESPN, I'd demand verbiage that any reference to the AAC as G5 by ESPN folks generates a $100k payment to the conference per utterance.

LOL, a P6 penalty jar sitting on the desk

I would even take a 10k payment if the person who says it has to pay it.

AAC gets roughly $21 mill per year. Significant raise IMO means AAC all sports members get $6-$8 mill. AAC would need to get roughly $60+ mill per year to pay out $6 mill to 10 all sports members (splitting that evenly).

2 years left on the $21 mill deal. Do a 5 year deal effective 7/1/19 (takes you to 2024, right when things could heat up again) for $300+ mill. No one knows what conferences will look like in 2023/24. Smart to have a deal end around that time. That should be the starting point if ESPN is real about a deal. .

*Rough numbers. $21 mill I am not sure if that is all ESPN*

(08-21-2018 02:16 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 06:55 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Just my opinion but, since he's on the committee, I suspect the eight to ten million dollars is a starting negotiating point. He's made it public, there's a reason. I suspect that's it.

Not just on the committee he is the vice chair of the committee and he is talking abut how the money is going to be spent at the U of Memphis. He is also talking about leveraging that new money with partnership to expand some facilities, Soccer we knew but he also mentioned a new tennis facility.
Just opened the New Basketball practice facility that NBA teams are touring and the the indoor football practice facility is due to break ground TBD. Elma Roane Field house basketball and practice facility for women has been redone and the new swim complex is on the drawing board.

I think I trust his adjectives in describing the new contract.

Did Dr. Rudd say we're going to completely rip the press box off the Liberty Bowl and build a new one? Sounds like they are going to gut them to the studs and completely remodel. Whatever he meant by it, that's a major overhaul.

He gets me so pumped every time I hear him talk about what's in the pipeline and what's coming down the pipeline. He's extremely articulate and well-spoken.

(08-21-2018 02:23 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 02:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  After listening to the interview--I noted two things.

One--with regard to media he says we are in the middle of that "right now". Sounds to me like an admission that talks with ESPN on an early renewal are already underway .

Two--One could infer he thinks we will probably will be signing a deal with ESPN as he says thinks we will have good news to announce late this fall or in the winter. As we cannot seek open market offers until Feb 2019--the time frame he describes would lie almost entirely within the ESPN exclusive negotiating period.

I've had and still maintain we will resign with ESPN with a side deal with CBS Sports (in lieu of the subleasing in the current deal). ESPN and CBS Sports both have been good partners for the conference and the networks value the content.

I think you guys will be all in with ESPN. CBSSN has CUSA now. With ESPN + up and running, those previous CBSSN games will be on The +.

(08-22-2018 12:02 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 11:48 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 11:38 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 11:25 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 11:13 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  If the bid is high enough including incentives for time remaining on the existing contract, I'm sure the presidents will approve an all ESPN deal as long as linear exposure is protected.

I seriously hope that any deal includes language about the way ESPN promotes or rather disparages the conference as a whole. I would think that they'd seriously assert that the mouse gives us some type of designation other than g5, if not the best long term strategy would be to keep a tier1 package for either NBC or CBS. I honestly think the negotiations are for a tier1 package if maybe 25 to 30 games that they could use to fill in around their p5 games . This may sound crazy but I think ESPN really wants our tier3 rights to add to their espn+ content and to also keep Amazon or Facebook locked out for a little while longer. Our 3rd tier package would be like the SEC to them when compared to their other g4 packages on ESPN +.

If we go solo with ESPN, I'd demand verbiage that any reference to the AAC as G5 by ESPN folks generates a $100k payment to the conference per utterance.

LOL, a P6 penalty jar sitting on the desk

I would even take a 10k payment if the person who says it has to pay it.

ESPIN made up the term “G5”. They coined it for a reason. All the ESPN lovers on here amaze me still.
ESPN is no friend to the AAC!

(08-05-2018 01:38 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Tom Bowen, Memphis AD, guest hosted the Gary Parrish show on Fri. Beginning around the 21:30 min mark on hour 2, he talks about the future of tv. When asked what amount he'd take now, he said "anything north of 8m or 9 or 10... That would be 8x12, that would be 96m a year. So, you do a five year deal that's half a billion dollars...”

https://d3efjls8gnbg8i.cloudfront.net/16....hosted.cx

If he’d take 8mil no questions asked... then that means we’ll probably get only around $5-6mil...

(08-22-2018 04:11 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 02:23 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 02:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  After listening to the interview--I noted two things.

One--with regard to media he says we are in the middle of that "right now". Sounds to me like an admission that talks with ESPN on an early renewal are already underway .

Two--One could infer he thinks we will probably will be signing a deal with ESPN as he says thinks we will have good news to announce late this fall or in the winter. As we cannot seek open market offers until Feb 2019--the time frame he describes would lie almost entirely within the ESPN exclusive negotiating period.

I've had and still maintain we will resign with ESPN with a side deal with CBS Sports (in lieu of the subleasing in the current deal). ESPN and CBS Sports both have been good partners for the conference and the networks value the content.

I think you guys will be all in with ESPN. CBSSN has CUSA now. With ESPN + up and running, those previous CBSSN games will be on The +.

CBS-Sports always had CUSA. Fact is, after 2012, CBS-Sports still owned the rights to around 15 CUSA games a year, but chose to only show about half that many and instead opted to spend additional money buying AAC games from ESPN to fill those slots. In other words, the notoriously cheap CBS-Sports Network was spending money to fill slots with AAC games rather than fill them with CUSA content they already owned. Given the vast disparity in AAC TV ratings and CUSA TV ratings---there is zero reason to think CBS would suddenly start thinking differently in 2018-19.

We might end up all in with ESPN a second time---but if it happens before Feb, it will be because ESPN offered close to the open market revenue valuation expectations the AAC got from their experts. That would represent "bird in the hand" type thinking---plus Aresco has made it clear that the conference prefers to have the ESPN networks as its flagship carriers---all else being equal.

(08-22-2018 06:21 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 04:11 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 02:23 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 02:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  After listening to the interview--I noted two things.

One--with regard to media he says we are in the middle of that "right now". Sounds to me like an admission that talks with ESPN on an early renewal are already underway .

Two--One could infer he thinks we will probably will be signing a deal with ESPN as he says thinks we will have good news to announce late this fall or in the winter. As we cannot seek open market offers until Feb 2019--the time frame he describes would lie almost entirely within the ESPN exclusive negotiating period.

I've had and still maintain we will resign with ESPN with a side deal with CBS Sports (in lieu of the subleasing in the current deal). ESPN and CBS Sports both have been good partners for the conference and the networks value the content.

I think you guys will be all in with ESPN. CBSSN has CUSA now. With ESPN + up and running, those previous CBSSN games will be on The +.

CBS-Sports always had CUSA. Fact is, after 2012, CBS-Sports still owned the rights to around 15 CUSA games a year, but chose to only show about half that many and instead opted to spend additional money buying AAC games from ESPN to fill those slots. In other words, the notoriously cheap CBS-Sports Network was spending money to fill slots with AAC games rather than fill them with CUSA content they already owned. Given the vast disparity in AAC TV ratings and CUSA TV ratings---there is zero reason to think CBS would suddenly start thinking differently in 2018-19.

We might end up all in with ESPN a second time---but if it happens before Feb, it will be because ESPN offered close to the open market revenue valuation expectations the AAC got from their experts. That would represent "bird in the hand" type thinking---plus Aresco has made it clear that the conference prefers to have the ESPN networks as its flagship carriers---all else being equal.

So the big question is how much is this mystery amount....

(08-22-2018 11:38 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 11:25 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 11:13 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  If the bid is high enough including incentives for time remaining on the existing contract, I'm sure the presidents will approve an all ESPN deal as long as linear exposure is protected.

I seriously hope that any deal includes language about the way ESPN promotes or rather disparages the conference as a whole. I would think that they'd seriously assert that the mouse gives us some type of designation other than g5, if not the best long term strategy would be to keep a tier1 package for either NBC or CBS. I honestly think the negotiations are for a tier1 package if maybe 25 to 30 games that they could use to fill in around their p5 games . This may sound crazy but I think ESPN really wants our tier3 rights to add to their espn+ content and to also keep Amazon or Facebook locked out for a little while longer. Our 3rd tier package would be like the SEC to them when compared to their other g4 packages on ESPN +.

If we go solo with ESPN, I'd demand verbiage that any reference to the AAC as G5 by ESPN folks generates a $100k payment to the conference per utterance.

(08-22-2018 04:47 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 12:02 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 11:48 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 11:38 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 11:25 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  I seriously hope that any deal includes language about the way ESPN promotes or rather disparages the conference as a whole. I would think that they'd seriously assert that the mouse gives us some type of designation other than g5, if not the best long term strategy would be to keep a tier1 package for either NBC or CBS. I honestly think the negotiations are for a tier1 package if maybe 25 to 30 games that they could use to fill in around their p5 games . This may sound crazy but I think ESPN really wants our tier3 rights to add to their espn+ content and to also keep Amazon or Facebook locked out for a little while longer. Our 3rd tier package would be like the SEC to them when compared to their other g4 packages on ESPN +.

If we go solo with ESPN, I'd demand verbiage that any reference to the AAC as G5 by ESPN folks generates a $100k payment to the conference per utterance.

LOL, a P6 penalty jar sitting on the desk

I would even take a 10k payment if the person who says it has to pay it.

ESPIN made up the term “G5”. They coined it for a reason. All the ESPN lovers on here amaze me still.
ESPN is no friend to the AAC!

BINGO!!! GIVE THE GENTLEMAN A PRIZE!!!

I find it hard to believe that ESPN would increase the payout to $10M per team and not properly promote their investment in the Conference.

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(08-22-2018 04:47 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 12:02 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 11:48 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 11:38 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 11:25 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  I seriously hope that any deal includes language about the way ESPN promotes or rather disparages the conference as a whole. I would think that they'd seriously assert that the mouse gives us some type of designation other than g5, if not the best long term strategy would be to keep a tier1 package for either NBC or CBS. I honestly think the negotiations are for a tier1 package if maybe 25 to 30 games that they could use to fill in around their p5 games . This may sound crazy but I think ESPN really wants our tier3 rights to add to their espn+ content and to also keep Amazon or Facebook locked out for a little while longer. Our 3rd tier package would be like the SEC to them when compared to their other g4 packages on ESPN +.

If we go solo with ESPN, I'd demand verbiage that any reference to the AAC as G5 by ESPN folks generates a $100k payment to the conference per utterance.

LOL, a P6 penalty jar sitting on the desk

I would even take a 10k payment if the person who says it has to pay it.

ESPIN made up the term “G5”. They coined it for a reason. All the ESPN lovers on here amaze me still.
ESPN is no friend to the AAC!

Unless they pay us.

(08-22-2018 02:21 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 02:16 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 06:55 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Just my opinion but, since he's on the committee, I suspect the eight to ten million dollars is a starting negotiating point. He's made it public, there's a reason. I suspect that's it.

Not just on the committee he is the vice chair of the committee and he is talking abut how the money is going to be spent at the U of Memphis. He is also talking about leveraging that new money with partnership to expand some facilities, Soccer we knew but he also mentioned a new tennis facility.
Just opened the New Basketball practice facility that NBA teams are touring and the the indoor football practice facility is due to break ground TBD. Elma Roane Field house basketball and practice facility for women has been redone and the new swim complex is on the drawing board.

I think I trust his adjectives in describing the new contract.

Did Dr. Rudd say we're going to completely rip the press box off the Liberty Bowl and build a new one? Sounds like they are going to gut them to the studs and completely remodel. Whatever he meant by it, that's a major overhaul.

He gets me so pumped every time I hear him talk about what's in the pipeline and what's coming down the pipeline. He's extremely articulate and well-spoken.

The plan is to complete take the press box completely off. I wouldn't fall over dead if it were also lowered and some sort of club box component included

(08-22-2018 05:02 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 01:38 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Tom Bowen, Memphis AD, guest hosted the Gary Parrish show on Fri. Beginning around the 21:30 min mark on hour 2, he talks about the future of tv. When asked what amount he'd take now, he said "anything north of 8m or 9 or 10... That would be 8x12, that would be 96m a year. So, you do a five year deal that's half a billion dollars...”

https://d3efjls8gnbg8i.cloudfront.net/16....hosted.cx

If he’d take 8mil no questions asked... then that means we’ll probably get only around $5-6mil...

His should be on air this afternoon for his weekly segment. It'll be interesting to see if he comments or goes silent on the subject...assuming he's asked about it in the first place.

(08-23-2018 12:04 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 05:02 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 01:38 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Tom Bowen, Memphis AD, guest hosted the Gary Parrish show on Fri. Beginning around the 21:30 min mark on hour 2, he talks about the future of tv. When asked what amount he'd take now, he said "anything north of 8m or 9 or 10... That would be 8x12, that would be 96m a year. So, you do a five year deal that's half a billion dollars...”

https://d3efjls8gnbg8i.cloudfront.net/16....hosted.cx

If he’d take 8mil no questions asked... then that means we’ll probably get only around $5-6mil...

His should be on air this afternoon for his weekly segment. It'll be interesting to see if he comments or goes silent on the subject...assuming he's asked about it in the first place.

What time? I hate 560am but I'll listen for that segment.

I think it's usually around 4:30. I rarely catch it live...usually listen to the podcast later.

EDIT: Sometimes he gives good info and others...not so much. Really depends on what the hosts ask.

(08-22-2018 05:02 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 01:38 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Tom Bowen, Memphis AD, guest hosted the Gary Parrish show on Fri. Beginning around the 21:30 min mark on hour 2, he talks about the future of tv. When asked what amount he'd take now, he said "anything north of 8m or 9 or 10... That would be 8x12, that would be 96m a year. So, you do a five year deal that's half a billion dollars...”

https://d3efjls8gnbg8i.cloudfront.net/16....hosted.cx

If he’d take 8mil no questions asked... then that means we’ll probably get only around $5-6mil...

Don't jump the gun, a few years back our last AD said 10 million. We got 2.

(08-23-2018 12:15 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  I think it's usually around 4:30. I rarely catch it live...usually listen to the podcast later.

EDIT: Sometimes he gives good info and others...not so much. Really depends on what the hosts ask.

Thanks

(08-23-2018 12:16 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 05:02 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 01:38 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Tom Bowen, Memphis AD, guest hosted the Gary Parrish show on Fri. Beginning around the 21:30 min mark on hour 2, he talks about the future of tv. When asked what amount he'd take now, he said "anything north of 8m or 9 or 10... That would be 8x12, that would be 96m a year. So, you do a five year deal that's half a billion dollars...”

https://d3efjls8gnbg8i.cloudfront.net/16....hosted.cx

If he’d take 8mil no questions asked... then that means we’ll probably get only around $5-6mil...

Don't jump the gun, a few years back our last AD said 10 million. We got 2.

Yeah, but those comments were about an AAC that would be nationwide and included Boise, SDSU, Louisiville, Rutgers--as well as the olympic sports of Notre Dame and the C-7. I seriously doubt that lineup was going to end up with 2 million each.

FWIW--ESPN just did a 300 million a year deal with the WWF that doubled that organizations value. That represents about half the programming that had been selling for 150 million per year prior to the new deal. So, one could say ESPN quadrupled the value of that content for use on ESPN+...and its worth noting that WWF ratings have been declining for the past few years.

Understand, WWF gets higher ratings per broadcast on average than the AAC . I think WWF gets something like 1-1.5 million viewers per event. I think the AAC averaged around 750K for its broadcasts. Its worth noting that the WWF deal is for only about 15 events. We probably have 15 games that would average out to around that 1-1.5 million range. So, while I dont expect a $300 million deal---it does appear that ESPN is still throwing around money. Given the amount of content we offer, our ratings profile, and the amount being paid to other properties getting similar (or smaller) viewership----our next deal wont be 20 million a year.