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(08-08-2018 09:24 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(08-04-2018 03:17 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Trump pardons espionage and there's going to be a big backlash over that.

Huge backlash if President Trump dares expose the truth. Many windows will be broken, and many trash cans will be flipped by dems.

the urban centers would go batshite Rodney King nutso.....

ol' boy doesn't care....he already knows how this went down.....

many of us said awhile back he's going to slow play this going into the mids.....

he's just wearing 'em out new one by the day now....

if you don't watch the opener of squirmy mika and crazy joe for a handful of mins at 5 a.m. sharpish, you're missing out for kick starting the heart with continual laughter.....
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(08-04-2018 03:17 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(08-04-2018 03:11 PM)Claw Wrote:  Assange fears extradition to the US

Well, well, well, boys and girls.

Could he make it before the mid-term elections?

I bet he does.

And I bet he has some things to share when he gets here.

And I bet he gets a pardon.

Trump pardons espionage and there's going to be a big backlash over that. I just wish the Ecuadorians would just continue to pay his incarceration costs.

Backlash from who?
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(08-08-2018 09:36 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 09:24 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(08-04-2018 03:17 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Trump pardons espionage and there's going to be a big backlash over that.

Huge backlash if President Trump dares expose the truth. Many windows will be broken, and many trash cans will be flipped by dems.

the urban centers would go batshite Rodney King nutso.....

ol' boy doesn't care....he already knows how this went down.....

many of us said awhile back he's going to slow play this going into the mids.....

he's just wearing 'em out new one by the day now....

if you don't watch the opener of squirmy mika and crazy joe for a handful of mins at 5 a.m. sharpish, you're missing out for kick starting the heart with continual laughter.....

Yep
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(08-08-2018 09:36 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 09:24 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(08-04-2018 03:17 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Trump pardons espionage and there's going to be a big backlash over that.

Huge backlash if President Trump dares expose the truth. Many windows will be broken, and many trash cans will be flipped by dems.

the urban centers would go batshite Rodney King nutso.....

ol' boy doesn't care....he already knows how this went down.....

many of us said awhile back he's going to slow play this going into the mids.....

he's just wearing 'em out new one by the day now....

if you don't watch the opener of squirmy mika and crazy joe for a handful of mins at 5 a.m. sharpish, you're missing out for kick starting the heart with continual laughter.....

You know where I'll be, on the youtube live streams with a beer, cracking my arse up.
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I think Mach's right in that the Dems dont fear what he says. If Assange says it was a leaker not a hack or if he even says Seth Rich was the leaker, they'll just says Assange is a Russian asset who should be prosecuted for espionage. No matter Assanges record for truth telling.
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(08-09-2018 06:46 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  I think Mach's right in that the Dems dont fear what he says. If Assange says it was a leaker not a hack or if he even says Seth Rich was the leaker, they'll just says Assange is a Russian asset who should be prosecuted for espionage. No matter Assanges record for truth telling.

Exactly. In his defense he was so sold out on the polls that there was no way that Trump wins. Then there's the ever popular vote that gave her a what 2-million+ more popular votes but it's all from Cali.
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(08-08-2018 09:19 PM)Kronke Wrote:  The guy will a proven, 100% record of truth says it wasn't Russia.

The people that said Iraq had WMDs say it was.

Hmm.

This. We already know the emails were not downloaded on the web. The download speed evidence indicates it had to have been downloaded on a physical drive—not via the net.
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(08-09-2018 09:46 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 09:19 PM)Kronke Wrote:  The guy will a proven, 100% record of truth says it wasn't Russia.

The people that said Iraq had WMDs say it was.

Hmm.

This. We already know the emails were not downloaded on the web. The download speed evidence indicates it had to have been downloaded on a physical drive—not via the net.

If I recall correctly, the speed is consistent with that of a locally attached thumb drive.

Which means if it was russia, then russia had a spy inside the DNC.

I believe they would be better off simply admitting the truth, that it was Seth Rich.
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Any link to where your crazy ideas come from. What cesspool did you get this from? Thumb drives and such?
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(08-09-2018 02:18 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Any link to where your crazy ideas come from. What cesspool did you get this from? Thumb drives and such?

An article from 'The Nation' has an explanation. https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-...-dnc-hack/

"There has been a long effort to counter the official narrative we now call “Russiagate.” This effort has so far focused on the key events noted above, leaving numerous others still to be addressed. Until recently, researchers undertaking this work faced critical shortcomings, and these are to be explained. But they have achieved significant new momentum in the past several weeks, and what they have done now yields very consequential fruit. Forensic investigators, intelligence analysts, system designers, program architects, and computer scientists of long experience and strongly credentialed are now producing evidence disproving the official version of key events last year. Their work is intricate and continues at a kinetic pace as we speak. But its certain results so far are two, simply stated, and freighted with implications:

There was no hack of the Democratic National Committee’s system on July 5 last year—not by the Russians, not by anyone else. Hard science now demonstrates it was a leak—a download executed locally with a memory key or a similarly portable data-storage device. In short, it was an inside job by someone with access to the DNC’s system. This casts serious doubt on the initial “hack,” as alleged, that led to the very consequential publication of a large store of documents on WikiLeaks last summer.

Forensic investigations of documents made public two weeks prior to the July 5 leak by the person or entity known as Guccifer 2.0 show that they were fraudulent: Before Guccifer posted them they were adulterated by cutting and pasting them into a blank template that had Russian as its default language. Guccifer took responsibility on June 15 for an intrusion the DNC reported on June 14 and professed to be a WikiLeaks source—claims essential to the official narrative implicating Russia in what was soon cast as an extensive hacking operation. To put the point simply, forensic science now devastates this narrative.


Also read this one https://spectator.org/mr-mueller-was-the...-russians/.

"As reported by the Nation, VIPS has a well-established record of debunking questionable intelligence assessments that have been slanted to serve political purposes. For example, in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, VIPS courageously and correctly challenged the accuracy and veracity of the CIA’s intelligence estimates that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction and that he posed a threat to the United States. Similarly, VIPS has condemned the use of “enhanced interrogation techniques” on suspected terrorists. In short, VIPS can hardly be described as either a right-wing cabal or as carrying water for the Republican Party.

In its analysis of the purported DNC hack, VIPS brought to bear the impressive talents of more than a dozen experienced, well-credentialed experts, including William Binney, a former NSA technical director and cofounder of the NSA’s Signals Intelligence Automation Research Center; Edward Loomis, former NSA technical director for the Office of Signals Processing; and Skip Folden, a former IBM information technology manager. As the French would say, these are l’hommes serieux, as are the other computer-system designers, program architects, and analysts with whom they investigated the Clinton-DNC hack story.

As set forth in the article, VIPS’ investigative findings were nothing short of stunning.

First, VIPS concluded that the DNC data were not hacked by the Russians or anyone else accessing the server over the internet. Instead, the data were downloaded by means of a thumb drive or similar portable storage device physically attached to the DNC server.

How was this determined? The time stamps contained in the released computer files’ metadata establish that, at 6:45 p.m. July 5, 2016, 1,976 megabytes (not megabits) of data were downloaded from the DNC’s server. This took 87 seconds, which means the transfer rate was 22.7 megabytes per second, a speed, according to VIPS, that “is much faster than what is physically possible with a hack.” Such a speed could be accomplished only by direct connection of a portable storage device to the server. Accordingly, VIPS concluded that the DNC data theft was an inside job by someone with physical access to the server.

VIPS also found that, if there had been a hack, the NSA would have a record of it that could quickly be retrieved and produced. But no such evidence has been forthcoming. Can this be because no hack occurred?

Even more remarkable, the experts determined that the files released by Guccifer 2.0 have been “run, via ordinary cut and paste, through a template that effectively immersed them in what could plausibly be cast as Russian fingerprints.” In other words, the files were deliberately altered to give the false impression that they were hacked by Russian agents.

Thanks to the VIPS experts, the Russia-hacking claim — the very prolog of the Trump-Russia conspiracy story — appears to have been affirmatively and convincingly undercut.

Moreover, for what it is worth, Julian Assange has repeatedly denied that Russia “or any state actor” was the source of the stolen DNC data published by WikiLeaks. And his denials have just received oblique partial confirmation in a recent issue of the New Yorker which features a lengthy and sympathetic portrayal of Christopher Steele.

Buried toward the end of the article comes the revelation that, on July 26, 2016 (four days after WikiLeaks published the DNC emails), “Steele filed yet another memo” in which “Steele’s sources claimed that the [DNC] digital attack involved agents ‘within the Democratic Party structure itself…’

and then there is this from the "The Nation" article :

"The day after Parry published this letter, Obama gave his last press conference as president, at which he delivered one of the great gems among the official statements on the DNC e-mail question. “The conclusions of the intelligence community with respect to the Russian hacking,” the legacy-minded Obama said, “were not conclusive.”
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(08-09-2018 02:44 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(08-09-2018 02:18 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Any link to where your crazy ideas come from. What cesspool did you get this from? Thumb drives and such?
An article from 'The Nation' has an explanation. https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-...-dnc-hack/
"There has been a long effort to counter the official narrative we now call “Russiagate.” This effort has so far focused on the key events noted above, leaving numerous others still to be addressed. Until recently, researchers undertaking this work faced critical shortcomings, and these are to be explained. But they have achieved significant new momentum in the past several weeks, and what they have done now yields very consequential fruit. Forensic investigators, intelligence analysts, system designers, program architects, and computer scientists of long experience and strongly credentialed are now producing evidence disproving the official version of key events last year. Their work is intricate and continues at a kinetic pace as we speak. But its certain results so far are two, simply stated, and freighted with implications:
There was no hack of the Democratic National Committee’s system on July 5 last year—not by the Russians, not by anyone else. Hard science now demonstrates it was a leak—a download executed locally with a memory key or a similarly portable data-storage device. In short, it was an inside job by someone with access to the DNC’s system. This casts serious doubt on the initial “hack,” as alleged, that led to the very consequential publication of a large store of documents on WikiLeaks last summer.
Forensic investigations of documents made public two weeks prior to the July 5 leak by the person or entity known as Guccifer 2.0 show that they were fraudulent: Before Guccifer posted them they were adulterated by cutting and pasting them into a blank template that had Russian as its default language. Guccifer took responsibility on June 15 for an intrusion the DNC reported on June 14 and professed to be a WikiLeaks source—claims essential to the official narrative implicating Russia in what was soon cast as an extensive hacking operation. To put the point simply, forensic science now devastates this narrative.
Also read this one https://spectator.org/mr-mueller-was-the...-russians/.
"As reported by the Nation, VIPS has a well-established record of debunking questionable intelligence assessments that have been slanted to serve political purposes. For example, in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, VIPS courageously and correctly challenged the accuracy and veracity of the CIA’s intelligence estimates that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction and that he posed a threat to the United States. Similarly, VIPS has condemned the use of “enhanced interrogation techniques” on suspected terrorists. In short, VIPS can hardly be described as either a right-wing cabal or as carrying water for the Republican Party.
In its analysis of the purported DNC hack, VIPS brought to bear the impressive talents of more than a dozen experienced, well-credentialed experts, including William Binney, a former NSA technical director and cofounder of the NSA’s Signals Intelligence Automation Research Center; Edward Loomis, former NSA technical director for the Office of Signals Processing; and Skip Folden, a former IBM information technology manager. As the French would say, these are l’hommes serieux, as are the other computer-system designers, program architects, and analysts with whom they investigated the Clinton-DNC hack story.
As set forth in the article, VIPS’ investigative findings were nothing short of stunning.
First, VIPS concluded that the DNC data were not hacked by the Russians or anyone else accessing the server over the internet. Instead, the data were downloaded by means of a thumb drive or similar portable storage device physically attached to the DNC server.
How was this determined? The time stamps contained in the released computer files’ metadata establish that, at 6:45 p.m. July 5, 2016, 1,976 megabytes (not megabits) of data were downloaded from the DNC’s server. This took 87 seconds, which means the transfer rate was 22.7 megabytes per second, a speed, according to VIPS, that “is much faster than what is physically possible with a hack.” Such a speed could be accomplished only by direct connection of a portable storage device to the server. Accordingly, VIPS concluded that the DNC data theft was an inside job by someone with physical access to the server.
VIPS also found that, if there had been a hack, the NSA would have a record of it that could quickly be retrieved and produced. But no such evidence has been forthcoming. Can this be because no hack occurred?
Even more remarkable, the experts determined that the files released by Guccifer 2.0 have been “run, via ordinary cut and paste, through a template that effectively immersed them in what could plausibly be cast as Russian fingerprints.” In other words, the files were deliberately altered to give the false impression that they were hacked by Russian agents.
Thanks to the VIPS experts, the Russia-hacking claim — the very prolog of the Trump-Russia conspiracy story — appears to have been affirmatively and convincingly undercut.
Moreover, for what it is worth, Julian Assange has repeatedly denied that Russia “or any state actor” was the source of the stolen DNC data published by WikiLeaks. And his denials have just received oblique partial confirmation in a recent issue of the New Yorker which features a lengthy and sympathetic portrayal of Christopher Steele.
Buried toward the end of the article comes the revelation that, on July 26, 2016 (four days after WikiLeaks published the DNC emails), “Steele filed yet another memo” in which “Steele’s sources claimed that the [DNC] digital attack involved agents ‘within the Democratic Party structure itself…’

and then there is this from the "The Nation" article :
"The day after Parry published this letter, Obama gave his last press conference as president, at which he delivered one of the great gems among the official statements on the DNC e-mail question. “The conclusions of the intelligence community with respect to the Russian hacking,” the legacy-minded Obama said, “were not conclusive.”

Mach, still dismissing it as "crazy"? How do you respond to those points?
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(08-09-2018 06:11 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(08-09-2018 02:44 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(08-09-2018 02:18 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Any link to where your crazy ideas come from. What cesspool did you get this from? Thumb drives and such?
An article from 'The Nation' has an explanation. https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-...-dnc-hack/
"There has been a long effort to counter the official narrative we now call “Russiagate.” This effort has so far focused on the key events noted above, leaving numerous others still to be addressed. Until recently, researchers undertaking this work faced critical shortcomings, and these are to be explained. But they have achieved significant new momentum in the past several weeks, and what they have done now yields very consequential fruit. Forensic investigators, intelligence analysts, system designers, program architects, and computer scientists of long experience and strongly credentialed are now producing evidence disproving the official version of key events last year. Their work is intricate and continues at a kinetic pace as we speak. But its certain results so far are two, simply stated, and freighted with implications:
There was no hack of the Democratic National Committee’s system on July 5 last year—not by the Russians, not by anyone else. Hard science now demonstrates it was a leak—a download executed locally with a memory key or a similarly portable data-storage device. In short, it was an inside job by someone with access to the DNC’s system. This casts serious doubt on the initial “hack,” as alleged, that led to the very consequential publication of a large store of documents on WikiLeaks last summer.
Forensic investigations of documents made public two weeks prior to the July 5 leak by the person or entity known as Guccifer 2.0 show that they were fraudulent: Before Guccifer posted them they were adulterated by cutting and pasting them into a blank template that had Russian as its default language. Guccifer took responsibility on June 15 for an intrusion the DNC reported on June 14 and professed to be a WikiLeaks source—claims essential to the official narrative implicating Russia in what was soon cast as an extensive hacking operation. To put the point simply, forensic science now devastates this narrative.
Also read this one https://spectator.org/mr-mueller-was-the...-russians/.
"As reported by the Nation, VIPS has a well-established record of debunking questionable intelligence assessments that have been slanted to serve political purposes. For example, in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, VIPS courageously and correctly challenged the accuracy and veracity of the CIA’s intelligence estimates that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction and that he posed a threat to the United States. Similarly, VIPS has condemned the use of “enhanced interrogation techniques” on suspected terrorists. In short, VIPS can hardly be described as either a right-wing cabal or as carrying water for the Republican Party.
In its analysis of the purported DNC hack, VIPS brought to bear the impressive talents of more than a dozen experienced, well-credentialed experts, including William Binney, a former NSA technical director and cofounder of the NSA’s Signals Intelligence Automation Research Center; Edward Loomis, former NSA technical director for the Office of Signals Processing; and Skip Folden, a former IBM information technology manager. As the French would say, these are l’hommes serieux, as are the other computer-system designers, program architects, and analysts with whom they investigated the Clinton-DNC hack story.
As set forth in the article, VIPS’ investigative findings were nothing short of stunning.
First, VIPS concluded that the DNC data were not hacked by the Russians or anyone else accessing the server over the internet. Instead, the data were downloaded by means of a thumb drive or similar portable storage device physically attached to the DNC server.
How was this determined? The time stamps contained in the released computer files’ metadata establish that, at 6:45 p.m. July 5, 2016, 1,976 megabytes (not megabits) of data were downloaded from the DNC’s server. This took 87 seconds, which means the transfer rate was 22.7 megabytes per second, a speed, according to VIPS, that “is much faster than what is physically possible with a hack.” Such a speed could be accomplished only by direct connection of a portable storage device to the server. Accordingly, VIPS concluded that the DNC data theft was an inside job by someone with physical access to the server.
VIPS also found that, if there had been a hack, the NSA would have a record of it that could quickly be retrieved and produced. But no such evidence has been forthcoming. Can this be because no hack occurred?
Even more remarkable, the experts determined that the files released by Guccifer 2.0 have been “run, via ordinary cut and paste, through a template that effectively immersed them in what could plausibly be cast as Russian fingerprints.” In other words, the files were deliberately altered to give the false impression that they were hacked by Russian agents.
Thanks to the VIPS experts, the Russia-hacking claim — the very prolog of the Trump-Russia conspiracy story — appears to have been affirmatively and convincingly undercut.
Moreover, for what it is worth, Julian Assange has repeatedly denied that Russia “or any state actor” was the source of the stolen DNC data published by WikiLeaks. And his denials have just received oblique partial confirmation in a recent issue of the New Yorker which features a lengthy and sympathetic portrayal of Christopher Steele.
Buried toward the end of the article comes the revelation that, on July 26, 2016 (four days after WikiLeaks published the DNC emails), “Steele filed yet another memo” in which “Steele’s sources claimed that the [DNC] digital attack involved agents ‘within the Democratic Party structure itself…’

and then there is this from the "The Nation" article :
"The day after Parry published this letter, Obama gave his last press conference as president, at which he delivered one of the great gems among the official statements on the DNC e-mail question. “The conclusions of the intelligence community with respect to the Russian hacking,” the legacy-minded Obama said, “were not conclusive.”

Mach, still dismissing it as "crazy"? How do you respond to those points?
Isn't it obvious? He doesn't respond.



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Assange is GRU. I would expect him to say things that are not true about his sources.

The technicals about the thumb drives and time stamps? I haven’t researched it and it’s too technical for me to know if it’s the truth or not.
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(08-09-2018 08:35 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Assange is GRU. I would expect him to say things that are not true about his sources.

The technicals about the thumb drives and time stamps? I haven’t researched it and it’s too technical for me to know if it’s the truth or not.

The tech analysis is true as far as the transfer times indicating it was not done over the Internet.

What is impossible to tell is if the transfer to the thumb drive was done inside DNC or on a machine somewhere else that already had the hacked files on it. That transfer would be just as fast. I don't think you can prove what the source system was, but I might be wrong.
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(08-09-2018 08:35 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Assange is GRU. I would expect him to say things that are not true about his sources.

The technicals about the thumb drives and time stamps? I haven’t researched it and it’s too technical for me to know if it’s the truth or not.

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(08-09-2018 08:35 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Assange is GRU. I would expect him to say things that are not true about his sources.

The technicals about the thumb drives and time stamps? I haven’t researched it and it’s too technical for me to know if it’s the truth or not.

Well do you have evidence of this? A reliable source. Not VOX, Mother Jones, etc. A good reliable source. Not an opinion piece, message board, or podcast.
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Right here buddy boy.


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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-did-wik...th-russia/
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(08-10-2018 04:42 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Right here buddy boy.


The answers you seek lie within.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-did-wik...th-russia/

In no way says that Assange is GRU.
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RE: UPDATE 8/8/2018 Assange called to testify for Senate Intelligence Committee
(08-10-2018 04:42 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Right here buddy boy.


The answers you seek lie within.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-did-wik...th-russia/

Reading is fundamental buddy boy. Nowhere in the last article does it say Assange is GRU.
08-10-2018 06:23 AM
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RE: UPDATE 8/8/2018 Assange called to testify for Senate Intelligence Committee
So who murdered Seth Rich and where are the Pakistanis?
08-10-2018 09:25 AM
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