(08-03-2018 09:41 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 09:12 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 08:10 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  What if UCF and Boise State goes unbeaten this year? Who would get in? Boise State seems more of a favor to the people in the polls than UCF.

If UCF wins 26 straight games public pressure would probably be insurmountable to put them in. Possibly even into the playoff

Yet the committee would simply site SOS and rank UCF #12 saying something like “every season is viewed separately—2017 is not part of the equation”. Make no mistake—the Committee has no intention of letting any G5 in the playoff unless/until the rules actually compel them to do so. The only exception to this very basic truth would be if the committee composition was changed to a 50-50 split between G5 and P5 reps.

You may be right. It would be hard to imagine until it actually happens but I think the AP and coaches poll might put them very high. Even though theoretically the committee is separate it would be hard to ignore that.

They certainly would get the G5 access spot though.

(08-03-2018 09:04 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 09:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 09:39 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  Lets face it, the NY6 bowl is a bone bowl for the g5 from the A5 and it’s a crap bowl for the A5 team that has the misfortune of losing an important game at the end of there season there for they are totally disgusted to be in this bowl and to have to play a lowly g5 champion, how terrible for the A5 team and then lose... gosh that has to hurt

Your trollish sarcasm is duly noted, but of course there also is a big dose of truth in it.

I mean, think about Auburn: You've just played and lost to Georgia for an SEC title and a playoff spot, and now you're going to be excited to play ... AAC champ Central Florida?

Or it's 2016 and you're Wisconsin, you just lost the B1G title game to Penn State, and you're going to be excited to play ... MAC champ Western Michigan?

Anyone should be able to see the issue there.

We also cant forget that when things go bad, they go very bad.

It was more expensive to buy parking than tickets for FSU v. NIU a few years back.

Yea, it was terrible. Pick out which of these ratings from major bowl games - Rose, Cotton, Sugar, Orange, Fiesta - was the FSU-NIU game. And you have to be naïve if you think tickets didn't go cheap for a bunch of these games.

Rating Viewers (M)
6.3 11.7
5.7 10.2
5.3 9.5
8.6 15.7
5.6 9.5
3.1 5.4
7.4 13.6
5.6 9.8
5.1 8.9
5.2 9.1
5 8.9
4.6 7.4
10.2 18.6
6.6 11.3
6.7 11.4
3.9 6.5
6.2 10.1
6.1 10.6
9.4 17
7.4 12.3
7.2 11.9

(08-03-2018 10:04 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 09:41 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 09:12 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 08:10 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  What if UCF and Boise State goes unbeaten this year? Who would get in? Boise State seems more of a favor to the people in the polls than UCF.

If UCF wins 26 straight games public pressure would probably be insurmountable to put them in. Possibly even into the playoff

Yet the committee would simply site SOS and rank UCF #12 saying something like “every season is viewed separately—2017 is not part of the equation”. Make no mistake—the Committee has no intention of letting any G5 in the playoff unless/until the rules actually compel them to do so. The only exception to this very basic truth would be if the committee composition was changed to a 50-50 split between G5 and P5 reps.

You may be right. It would be hard to imagine until it actually happens but I think the AP and coaches poll might put them very high. Even though theoretically the committee is separate it would be hard to ignore that.

They certainly would get the G5 access spot though.

Boise State seems to be able to schedule 2 to 3 P5 teams, BYU and face the tough teams like Fresno State, Air Force and San Diego State in the same season. UCF have trouble getting that many P5 schools. MWC does have the tougher schedule because they wind up playing a lot of the PAC 12, Big 10 and BYU every year.

(08-03-2018 11:01 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Boise State seems to be able to schedule 2 to 3 P5 teams, BYU and face the tough teams like Fresno State, Air Force and San Diego State in the same season. UCF have trouble getting that many P5 schools. MWC does have the tougher schedule because they wind up playing a lot of the PAC 12, Big 10 and BYU every year.

UCF is playing @UNC and Pitt this year in addition to FAU out of conference. They regularly schedule 2 P5 every year.

Total P5s (counting BYU) scheduled 2010-2018

UCF - 19 (8 home, 10 away, 1 neutral)
Boise - 20 (8 home, 9 away, 3 neutral)

(08-02-2018 07:13 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 03:46 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 09:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 09:39 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  Lets face it, the NY6 bowl is a bone bowl for the g5 from the A5 and it’s a crap bowl for the A5 team that has the misfortune of losing an important game at the end of there season there for they are totally disgusted to be in this bowl and to have to play a lowly g5 champion, how terrible for the A5 team and then lose... gosh that has to hurt

Your trollish sarcasm is duly noted, but of course there also is a big dose of truth in it.

I mean, think about Auburn: You've just played and lost to Georgia for an SEC title and a playoff spot, and now you're going to be excited to play ... AAC champ Central Florida?

Or it's 2016 and you're Wisconsin, you just lost the B1G title game to Penn State, and you're going to be excited to play ... MAC champ Western Michigan?

Anyone should be able to see the issue there.

I have to really feel bad for the A5 team fans that bother going to those games. Why bother to go.

Because it’s a competitive game of college football. That auburn/ UCF game was fun as hell to watch last year

It was sarcasm.

Even if there is expansion to an 8 team playoff there is no way that conference championships would be a requirement for P5 teams or that they would willingly allow a G5 champ to get an auto bid without some sort of onerous conditions. The top eight teams in the final pre-bowl playoff rankings were as follows last year:

1 Clemson University 12-1
2 University of Oklahoma 12-1
3 University of Georgia 12-1
4 University of Alabama 11-1
5 Ohio State University 11-2
6 University of Wisconsin 12-1
7 Auburn University 10-3
8 University of Southern California 11-2

Putting UCF (12th in that same poll) in at 8 over USC would not be popular on the west coast, nor would P5 conferences have any incentive to limit number of their own teams that would be eligible so a hard per-conference limit will not fly. Maybe the P5 and ESPN could swallow/live with some convoluted sort of win-loss differential and ranking criteria, I.e if the highest ranked G5 team is in the top 12 AND has at least three fewer losses than a P5 team then they can displace a top eight team (so UCF would jump a 3 loss Auburn team and USC would move up to 7th). Otherwise the P5 will do nothing unless forced to do so by Congress or the courts.

(08-02-2018 07:13 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 03:46 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 09:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 09:39 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  Lets face it, the NY6 bowl is a bone bowl for the g5 from the A5 and it’s a crap bowl for the A5 team that has the misfortune of losing an important game at the end of there season there for they are totally disgusted to be in this bowl and to have to play a lowly g5 champion, how terrible for the A5 team and then lose... gosh that has to hurt

Your trollish sarcasm is duly noted, but of course there also is a big dose of truth in it.

I mean, think about Auburn: You've just played and lost to Georgia for an SEC title and a playoff spot, and now you're going to be excited to play ... AAC champ Central Florida?

Or it's 2016 and you're Wisconsin, you just lost the B1G title game to Penn State, and you're going to be excited to play ... MAC champ Western Michigan?

Anyone should be able to see the issue there.

I have to really feel bad for the A5 team fans that bother going to those games. Why bother to go.

Because it’s a competitive game of college football. That auburn/ UCF game was fun as hell to watch last year

i have friend that goes to auburn and writes for the auburn school paper. Literally no one cared about that game, at least on auburn's side. With that said, i still tease him about losing to ucf lol.

That just sounds like a weak excuse, that they didn't care about the game. They don't mind losing?

(08-07-2018 02:29 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  That just sounds like a weak excuse, that they didn't care about the game. They don't mind losing?

Ever watch the consolation match of any sports tourny? Nobody cares or plays hard (wants to get hurt) to determine 3rd place.

(08-07-2018 01:58 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  i have friend that goes to auburn and writes for the auburn school paper. Literally no one cared about that game, at least on auburn's side. With that said, i still tease him about losing to ucf lol.

I play tiddlywinks and I want to win. Yet competitive, driven high-level college players don't want to win a football game? I find that hard to believe.

I can believe that they are not as sharp because they missed out on their goal of winning the national title. They may be somewhat deflated mentally, but that is far different than not caring about the outcome of the game.

(08-07-2018 05:30 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(08-07-2018 02:29 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  That just sounds like a weak excuse, that they didn't care about the game. They don't mind losing?

Ever watch the consolation match of any sports tourny? Nobody cares or plays hard (wants to get hurt) to determine 3rd place.

You could say that about any bowl game though. Regardless of the match up. If you're not in the playoffs then you're effectively just playing an exhibition, but trust me none of these guys like to lose. Athletes at that level are all super competitive alphas. They all want to win, even if just so they can talk smack to the guys on the other sidelines.

It's the playoffs

All bowls are even more meaningless exhibitions than they were before. The NY6 are a last ditch attempt to keep some interest in them for nostalgias sake

And yes no P5 team is excited to get the G5 matchup. Sorry if that hurts some feelings but it's true.

(08-07-2018 07:26 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(08-07-2018 05:30 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(08-07-2018 02:29 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  That just sounds like a weak excuse, that they didn't care about the game. They don't mind losing?

Ever watch the consolation match of any sports tourny? Nobody cares or plays hard (wants to get hurt) to determine 3rd place.

You could say that about any bowl game though. Regardless of the match up. If you're not in the playoffs then you're effectively just playing an exhibition, but trust me none of these guys like to lose. Athletes at that level are all super competitive alphas. They all want to win, even if just so they can talk smack to the guys on the other sidelines.

Is that really true? You have players that sit out of bowl games now.

(08-03-2018 08:10 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  What if UCF and Boise State goes unbeaten this year? Who would get in? Boise State seems more of a favor to the people in the polls than UCF.

Then one will get G5 champion spot and the other will get the at-large.

(08-07-2018 07:07 PM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  

(08-07-2018 01:58 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  i have friend that goes to auburn and writes for the auburn school paper. Literally no one cared about that game, at least on auburn's side. With that said, i still tease him about losing to ucf lol.

I play tiddlywinks and I want to win. Yet competitive, driven high-level college players don't want to win a football game? I find that hard to believe.

I can believe that they are not as sharp because they missed out on their goal of winning the national title. They may be somewhat deflated mentally, but that is far different than not caring about the outcome of the game.

im pretty sure that was more in regards to the student body and the fan base. I wouldn't be surprise is the player felt that way as well. But, I'm sure once the ball was snapped the players were all in.

(08-02-2018 09:39 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  Lets face it, the NY6 bowl is a bone bowl for the g5 from the A5 and it’s a crap bowl for the A5 team that has the misfortune of losing an important game at the end of there season there for they are totally disgusted to be in this bowl and to have to play a lowly g5 champion, how terrible for the A5 team and then lose... gosh that has to hurt
So what has this bowl become or what is it becoming
The G5 gets money and prestige, but how long will this prestige last, the bone will have been knawed on enough and become undesirable
A5, what do they get ?, it looks like they are punishing an already down trodden team by throwing them to a vicious pack of dogs only to be shredded
NY6 bowl should have a different name while it still lasts

What is A5?

(08-09-2018 08:14 AM)GhentFan Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 09:39 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  Lets face it, the NY6 bowl is a bone bowl for the g5 from the A5 and it’s a crap bowl for the A5 team that has the misfortune of losing an important game at the end of there season there for they are totally disgusted to be in this bowl and to have to play a lowly g5 champion, how terrible for the A5 team and then lose... gosh that has to hurt
So what has this bowl become or what is it becoming
The G5 gets money and prestige, but how long will this prestige last, the bone will have been knawed on enough and become undesirable
A5, what do they get ?, it looks like they are punishing an already down trodden team by throwing them to a vicious pack of dogs only to be shredded
NY6 bowl should have a different name while it still lasts

What is A5?

It's an Audi Sedan

(08-02-2018 09:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 09:39 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  Lets face it, the NY6 bowl is a bone bowl for the g5 from the A5 and it’s a crap bowl for the A5 team that has the misfortune of losing an important game at the end of there season there for they are totally disgusted to be in this bowl and to have to play a lowly g5 champion, how terrible for the A5 team and then lose... gosh that has to hurt

Your trollish sarcasm is duly noted, but of course there also is a big dose of truth in it.

I mean, think about Auburn: You've just played and lost to Georgia for an SEC title and a playoff spot, and now you're going to be excited to play ... AAC champ Central Florida?

Or it's 2016 and you're Wisconsin, you just lost the B1G title game to Penn State, and you're going to be excited to play ... MAC champ Western Michigan?

Anyone should be able to see the issue there.

would they have been more excited to play the Big 12 2nd place team?

The fact is you walked out on a field and got beat by a better team