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RE: Goodbye Fickell?
Temple L
SMU W
Navy W
USF W (easily could be an L)
UCF L (ugly at that)


Final record at 10-2 or 9-3. It would be a major victory for the Cats, and the staff. Not the sorta thing that gets you top tier job offers tho. Would still need to prove more by winning with more of his players.

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RE: Goodbye Fickell?
(10-09-2018 09:55 AM)marcuscan Wrote:  Temple L
SMU W
Navy W
USF W (easily could be an L)
UCF L (ugly at that)


Final record at 10-2 or 9-3. It would be a major victory for the Cats, and the staff. Not the sorta thing that gets you top tier job offers tho. Would still need to prove more by winning with more of his players.

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Hold the rope while I check Butch Jones' record at UC.
 
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RE: Goodbye Fickell?
(10-09-2018 10:19 AM)geef Wrote:  
(10-09-2018 09:55 AM)marcuscan Wrote:  Temple L
SMU W
Navy W
USF W (easily could be an L)
UCF L (ugly at that)


Final record at 10-2 or 9-3. It would be a major victory for the Cats, and the staff. Not the sorta thing that gets you top tier job offers tho. Would still need to prove more by winning with more of his players.

mc

Hold the rope while I check Butch Jones' record at UC.

He did it twice. Big difference. Once can be a fluke.

And he did it against a BCS schedule that included wins against 3 ACC teams.
 
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RE: Goodbye Fickell?
(10-09-2018 09:55 AM)marcuscan Wrote:  Temple L
SMU W
Navy W
USF W (easily could be an L)
UCF L (ugly at that)

Final record at 10-2 or 9-3. It would be a major victory for the Cats, and the staff. Not the sorta thing that gets you top tier job offers tho. Would still need to prove more by winning with more of his players.

mc

Maybe I am wrong, but I feel good about Temple, but not so good about South Florida.
 
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RE: Goodbye Fickell?
Temple - W
SMU - W
Navy - L
USF - W @ Nip@Nite
UCF- L
ECU - W
 
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(10-09-2018 10:57 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(10-09-2018 10:19 AM)geef Wrote:  
(10-09-2018 09:55 AM)marcuscan Wrote:  Temple L
SMU W
Navy W
USF W (easily could be an L)
UCF L (ugly at that)


Final record at 10-2 or 9-3. It would be a major victory for the Cats, and the staff. Not the sorta thing that gets you top tier job offers tho. Would still need to prove more by winning with more of his players.

mc

Hold the rope while I check Butch Jones' record at UC.

He did it twice. Big difference. Once can be a fluke.

And he did it against a BCS schedule that included wins against 3 ACC teams.

Yeah, that's more, or less, what i had in mind.

Outside of the P5 you tend to need to either do it exceedingly well (T. Herman, Frost & Row the boat bro) or do it multiple times.

For someone to swoop in this year we would have likely blown through all expectations and be in a New Years bowl game.





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RE: Goodbye Fickell?
(10-08-2018 10:50 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 09:36 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Not giving a second thought to whether or not Fickell leaves. Most with a high level of success move on...this is true at nearly every school including historical schools like Florida and USC. Enjoy the ride and hope for the best.

What Mark said. Oregon lost a successful head coach to the NFL and lost Willie Taggart to FSU after one season.

When we take the NFL into account as we should, every school is a stepping stone to somewhere. It's not about G5 or P5. If you win enough, somebody is going to offer you a lot of money to come there.

I'm about as cynical as anybody that coaches are hired guns and are going to chase every dollar. But I honestly doubt that any school has 2 BB and FB coaches more likely to resist that maxim than us. Flirtation with UNLV aside, I'm not sure any coach his age is as likely to stay at their current job possibly until retirement as Mick. And I may be naive, but I doubt Luke's potential jump list is much larger than ND and OSU. He certainly painted himself that way during and after the hiring process. Maybe down the road that list expands if UC no longer has the resources/commitment necessary to compete, but I'd be quite surprised if he jumps after he puts together his first double digit win season or two.
 
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Just doing a midday check-in. Is Fickell still our coach?
 
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RE: Goodbye Fickell?
(10-09-2018 12:42 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 10:50 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 09:36 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Not giving a second thought to whether or not Fickell leaves. Most with a high level of success move on...this is true at nearly every school including historical schools like Florida and USC. Enjoy the ride and hope for the best.

What Mark said. Oregon lost a successful head coach to the NFL and lost Willie Taggart to FSU after one season.

When we take the NFL into account as we should, every school is a stepping stone to somewhere. It's not about G5 or P5. If you win enough, somebody is going to offer you a lot of money to come there.

I'm about as cynical as anybody that coaches are hired guns and are going to chase every dollar. But I honestly doubt that any school has 2 BB and FB coaches more likely to resist that maxim than us. Flirtation with UNLV aside, I'm not sure any coach his age is as likely to stay at their current job possibly until retirement as Mick. And I may be naive, but I doubt Luke's potential jump list is much larger than ND and OSU. He certainly painted himself that way during and after the hiring process. Maybe down the road that list expands if UC no longer has the resources/commitment necessary to compete, but I'd be quite surprised if he jumps after he puts together his first double digit win season or two.

Believe me, I want BDF here as long as he wants to be here. It's really a win-win either way. I hope you're right about his P5 wish list because I guarantee he will get a look from someone if he finishes strong and especially if he wins a bowl game. I know he took some heat (I did not agree with FWIW) that he wasn't that successful during the Tressel interim gig but he's coached in a big time program under two very successful (albeit scandalous) head coaches.
 
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RE: Goodbye Fickell?
If he’s smart, he should only jump to a Midwest powerhouse school, meaning:

- OSU
- Michigan
- MSU
- ND
- PSU

Other than that, he may as well stay here, make millions, be close to home, win tons of games, and be employed for life until one of the big 5 jobs opens up.
 
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(10-09-2018 01:38 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(10-09-2018 12:42 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 10:50 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 09:36 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Not giving a second thought to whether or not Fickell leaves. Most with a high level of success move on...this is true at nearly every school including historical schools like Florida and USC. Enjoy the ride and hope for the best.

What Mark said. Oregon lost a successful head coach to the NFL and lost Willie Taggart to FSU after one season.

When we take the NFL into account as we should, every school is a stepping stone to somewhere. It's not about G5 or P5. If you win enough, somebody is going to offer you a lot of money to come there.

I'm about as cynical as anybody that coaches are hired guns and are going to chase every dollar. But I honestly doubt that any school has 2 BB and FB coaches more likely to resist that maxim than us. Flirtation with UNLV aside, I'm not sure any coach his age is as likely to stay at their current job possibly until retirement as Mick. And I may be naive, but I doubt Luke's potential jump list is much larger than ND and OSU. He certainly painted himself that way during and after the hiring process. Maybe down the road that list expands if UC no longer has the resources/commitment necessary to compete, but I'd be quite surprised if he jumps after he puts together his first double digit win season or two.

Believe me, I want BDF here as long as he wants to be here. It's really a win-win either way. I hope you're right about his P5 wish list because I guarantee he will get a look from someone if he finishes strong and especially if he wins a bowl game. I know he took some heat (I did not agree with FWIW) that he wasn't that successful during the Tressel interim gig but he's coached in a big time program under two very successful (albeit scandalous) head coaches.

Upon further reflection, the one BB coach roughly Mick's age (so not counting guys like Coach K or Roy Williams) who I could see staying where he is possibly until retirement even if he wins a ton is Chris Mack. I doubt there were many schools he'd had left XU for, but obviously UL was one and I'm sure his wife was a factor there. Maybe he'd consider a Duke, UK or NC if they opened up (maybe Mick would too as his daughter gets older) or even the NBA, but I bet it's a very small list he'd even consider. And of course that all assumes he wins big there which he obviously still has to prove.

Along those lines, I hope we don't get too far ahead of ourselves with Fickel. I'm extremely pleased with him so far, but let's see how we finish out the season at least before we start anointing him the next BK or Gillman.
 
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If PDoc wrote a column about Fickell having dinner at Mick's house and being served special Bearcat ice cream, I guarantee you we'd have the longest thread in board history.
 
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(10-09-2018 03:15 PM)geef Wrote:  If PDoc wrote a column about Fickell having dinner at Mick's house and being served special Bearcat ice cream,AND AFTERWARDS GOING TO NIPPERT FOR AN FC CINCINNATI GAME TO DISCUSS CONFERENCE REALIGNMENT I guarantee you we'd have the longest thread in board history.

FIFY
 
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(10-09-2018 02:54 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  
(10-09-2018 01:38 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Believe me, I want BDF here as long as he wants to be here. It's really a win-win either way. I hope you're right about his P5 wish list because I guarantee he will get a look from someone if he finishes strong and especially if he wins a bowl game. I know he took some heat (I did not agree with FWIW) that he wasn't that successful during the Tressel interim gig but he's coached in a big time program under two very successful (albeit scandalous) head coaches.

Upon further reflection, the one BB coach roughly Mick's age (so not counting guys like Coach K or Roy Williams) who I could see staying where he is possibly until retirement even if he wins a ton is Chris Mack. I doubt there were many schools he'd had left XU for, but obviously UL was one and I'm sure his wife was a factor there. Maybe he'd consider a Duke, UK or NC if they opened up (maybe Mick would too as his daughter gets older) or even the NBA, but I bet it's a very small list he'd even consider. And of course that all assumes he wins big there which he obviously still has to prove.

Along those lines, I hope we don't get too far ahead of ourselves with Fickel. I'm extremely pleased with him so far, but let's see how we finish out the season at least before we start anointing him the next BK or Gillman.

Sid Gillman? What are you 80? Seriously, I'm not worried about him leaving. We moved on as a program after each of the past several coaching hires and we will again. I'm enjoying the ride...
 
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RE: Goodbye Fickell?
Would BDF be a candidate to replace Dirty Bobbie at UL? Petrino's seat might be hot but has buyout is $16,700,000


That is big money even for a P5.


Some other big buyouts are:

Head Coach

School

Buyout (as of Dec. 1, 2018)

Jimbo Fisher
Texas A&M
$68,125,000

Urban Meyer
Ohio State
$38,058,402

Dabo Swinney
Clemson
$35,000,000


Nick Saban
Alabama
$33,600,000

Gus Malzahn
Auburn
$32,143,750

Kirby Smart
Georgia
$27,917,500

Chris Petersen
Washington
$26,354,166

Scott Frost
Nebraska
$25,416,667

Kirk Ferentz
Iowa
$22,396,250

Willie Taggart
Florida State
$21,958,333

Jeff Brohm
Purdue
$21,516,667

Lincoln Riley
Oklahoma
$20,833,333
 
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Man I bet Auburn regrets that Malzahn contract.
 
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