(08-01-2018 06:25 PM)Wedge Wrote:  I'll bet Meyer wishes he hadn't publicly called McMurphy a liar last week.

No doubt that only motivated McMurphy to dig deeper on the story.

No question, this is a huge coup for McMurphy. And ESPN has been squirming all day, first largely ignoring the McMurphy story, then when Meyer was put on leave and they had to cover it as big news, their anchors initially were bending over backwards to call the claims "unproven allegations" and prop up Meyer.

But that's not how this unfolding. McMurphy is on top, Meyer is likely on the way out, and ESPN is not liking any of it.

(08-01-2018 01:11 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Is Urban about to develop sudden "health concerns" again?

Beat me to it.

(08-01-2018 06:34 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 01:11 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Is Urban about to develop sudden "health concerns" again?

Beat me to it.

That seems very tin-foil hat to me.

Why would he want to smear his name and call his legacy into question just so he could claim he was sick?

(08-01-2018 06:35 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 06:34 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 01:11 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Is Urban about to develop sudden "health concerns" again?

Beat me to it.

That seems very tin-foil hat to me.

Why would he want to smear his name and call his legacy into question just so he could claim he was sick?

Tell that to gator fans.

http://www.espn.com/colleges/florida/sto...ida-gators

Read the last six paragraphs.

Wasn’t he indirectly blamed for Aaron Rodriguez’s troubles with the law in Florida? If I remember correctly, he knew about it but turned an eye blind because the Gators were NC contenders. Meyer’s wife even made a comment or two about that.

(08-01-2018 01:45 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 01:38 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  It would be interesting to see who Ohio State targets as Meyer's replacement if he's fired.

just looking- probably would be either Kevin Wilson or Greg Schiano.

If OSU fires Meyer and is looking for less baggage in the aftermath, Wilson ain't their guy.

By the way, this is a thing:

(08-01-2018 06:35 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 06:34 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 01:11 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Is Urban about to develop sudden "health concerns" again?

Beat me to it.

That seems very tin-foil hat to me.

Why would he want to smear his name and call his legacy into question just so he could claim he was sick?

Coeds can give older fellas heart problems, just sayin.

(08-01-2018 07:09 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Wasn’t he indirectly blamed for Aaron Rodriguez’s troubles with the law in Florida? If I remember correctly, he knew about it but turned an eye blind because the Gators were NC contenders. Meyer’s wife even made a comment or two about that.

Urban was certainly an enabler of Aaron Hernandez.

(08-01-2018 01:38 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  It would be interesting to see who Ohio State targets as Meyer's replacement if he's fired.

I'd guess the top of the list would look like this:
-Matt Campbell, Current HC at Iowa State, former HC Toledo: Knows Ohio, has succeeded at both Toledo AND Iowa State, has a squeaky clean image at this point.

-Pat Fitzgerald, Current HC at Northwestern: Younger, successful Coach at a Big 10 school.

-Jason Candle, Current HC at Toledo: Has sustained success at MAC level Toledo, familiar with Ohio recruiting area.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...tive-leave

Administrative Leave.

Translation: We'll keep him on the bench until both sides can reach an agreement on the terms of separation.

(08-01-2018 01:45 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 01:38 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  It would be interesting to see who Ohio State targets as Meyer's replacement if he's fired.

just looking- probably would be either Kevin Wilson or Greg Schiano.

Greg Schiano is an absolute "NO GO" in this case... First, he's part of the Paterno tree. Second, he's got a bad record in this area because of his association with Ray Rice.

As for Wilson... An "Interim" tag, perhaps, but his record at Indiana basically assures that he will NOT coach at OSU in a permanent position at this point.

(08-01-2018 07:38 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 01:38 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  It would be interesting to see who Ohio State targets as Meyer's replacement if he's fired.

I'd guess the top of the list would look like this:
-Matt Campbell, Current HC at Iowa State, former HC Toledo: Knows Ohio, has succeeded at both Toledo AND Iowa State, has a squeaky clean image at this point.

-Pat Fitzgerald, Current HC at Northwestern: Younger, successful Coach at a Big 10 school.

-Jason Candle, Current HC at Toledo: Has sustained success at MAC level Toledo, familiar with Ohio recruiting area.

They are the Ohio State University. They'll go after a name. They might hire an interim for this season from within, but they will go after a name.

(08-01-2018 07:38 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 01:38 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  It would be interesting to see who Ohio State targets as Meyer's replacement if he's fired.

I'd guess the top of the list would look like this:
-Matt Campbell, Current HC at Iowa State, former HC Toledo: Knows Ohio, has succeeded at both Toledo AND Iowa State, has a squeaky clean image at this point.

-Pat Fitzgerald, Current HC at Northwestern: Younger, successful Coach at a Big 10 school.

-Jason Candle, Current HC at Toledo: Has sustained success at MAC level Toledo, familiar with Ohio recruiting area.

If they try to poach in-conference, I’d add Jeff Brohm to the contenders.

(08-01-2018 07:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 07:38 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 01:38 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  It would be interesting to see who Ohio State targets as Meyer's replacement if he's fired.

I'd guess the top of the list would look like this:
-Matt Campbell, Current HC at Iowa State, former HC Toledo: Knows Ohio, has succeeded at both Toledo AND Iowa State, has a squeaky clean image at this point.

-Pat Fitzgerald, Current HC at Northwestern: Younger, successful Coach at a Big 10 school.

-Jason Candle, Current HC at Toledo: Has sustained success at MAC level Toledo, familiar with Ohio recruiting area.

They are the Ohio State University. They'll go after a name. They might hire an interim for this season from within, but they will go after a name.

David Shaw or Gary Paterson meet the name metric.

(08-01-2018 07:38 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 01:38 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  It would be interesting to see who Ohio State targets as Meyer's replacement if he's fired.

I'd guess the top of the list would look like this:
-Matt Campbell, Current HC at Iowa State, former HC Toledo: Knows Ohio, has succeeded at both Toledo AND Iowa State, has a squeaky clean image at this point.

-Pat Fitzgerald, Current HC at Northwestern: Younger, successful Coach at a Big 10 school.

-Jason Candle, Current HC at Toledo: Has sustained success at MAC level Toledo, familiar with Ohio recruiting area.

Never happen, but how about one of these guys:

Lane Kiffin

John Harbaugh

Jim Tressel (he's only 65)

Les Miles (wouldn't take it; Ohio Stadium has artificial turf)

(08-01-2018 07:38 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...tive-leave

Administrative Leave.

Translation: We'll keep him on the bench until both sides can reach an agreement on the terms of separation.

No excuses for Harbaugh this season

Bob Stoops is only 57 and could likely bring in all his coaching brothers with him.

Would Mike Vrabel bolt the Tennessee Titans after one season?

(08-01-2018 08:50 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  Bob Stoops is only 57 and could likely bring in all his coaching brothers with him.

Would Mike Vrabel bolt the Tennessee Titans after one season?

Stoops would certainly be "on the list." I hadn't thought about him, but he'd be a natural.

(08-01-2018 05:57 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 03:06 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 02:33 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 02:08 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Sounds to me like this is all coming out in anticipation of a lawsuit against Ohio State and Urban Meyer & his wife. I read another article which included a quote from Smith's ex which states "the coach and his wife had a duty to do something". In my professional life when I hear the word duty attached to an allegation from a non-lawyer it tells me they've already talked to somebody and they are in the process of drafting up the paperwork.

Urban will probably skate for a little while, but whether he gets the boot or not will depend on the amount of political pressure Ohio State and its large donors receives. If certain advocacy groups start boycotting an OSU donor who in turn withholds large donations it might seal his fate. Frankly I doubt OSU ever fires him--- what more likely happens is he decides to take a head coaching gig in the NFL.

True. FWIW Smith's ex could have also called the AD or the President of OSU herself. I think too many duties are falling on the coaching staff.

No question. Frankly the ex should have just gone to the cops and let them handle the matter. If the police didn't respond get an attorney. Coaches and universities aren't designed to handle this sort of stuff (and frankly they shouldn't be that's why we have law enforcement). This sort of thing doesn't insert itself in other walks of life--- if I start beating my wife she's not going to go complain to the Vice President of my department or the CEO of the company. If she did they would just tell her to call the authorities.

I think this is the most difficult aspect of it. I'm not saying Urban isn't culpable, but to what level? He doesn't have investigative authorities - all he could do is fire Smith based upon hearsay and prior experience. And while JR's point about local law enforcement being cowed by the university is true, it is still better to inform them and watch them fail. That is better than this misguided presumption that sports organizations and their leadership can adjudicate legal matters.

Here's my thing...

There's a lot of leeway in the locker room. It's not like a standard work place or institution. What I mean is that any football team is supposed to be a fraternity with the head coach being the all powerful ruler of the roost. Where else in life do you see a kid/grown man punished with extra laps or something tangible in exchange for bad grades or a drunken night on the town?

The coach knows what's happening and calls the shots. If Urban Meyer knew what was happening and I have a hard time believing he didn't then it would have been easy for him to at least discipline Smith. In fact, Meyer would be one of the very few people in Smith's life that had any power over him.

Especially considering how far back they go on a personal level, Meyer was in the perfect position to do something proactive for the sake of Smith's wife and even for Smith's career if you want to look at it that way. I'm not even saying you've got to fire the guy...just do something proactive.

And if Meyer disciplined Smith in a way that he didn't care for then what's Smith going to do about it? Complain to higher authorities that he's being unfairly treated in the aftermath of abusing his wife? Maybe leave for another job?

I don't think Meyer was in a no-win situation here. Smith was in a position of strength only because he was allowed to be. We can debate on exactly what the correct course of action would have been, but it appears Meyer did absolutely nothing.

I've known people including friends and relatives that have suffered abuse. Doing nothing is always the wrong answer.

(08-01-2018 09:08 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 08:50 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  Bob Stoops is only 57 and could likely bring in all his coaching brothers with him.

Would Mike Vrabel bolt the Tennessee Titans after one season?

Stoops would certainly be "on the list." I hadn't thought about him, but he'd be a natural.

Stoops would be the perfect fit although I don't know that he would be interested.