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(07-30-2018 03:56 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(07-30-2018 03:50 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  
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(07-30-2018 03:37 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  I typed “Military City” into google and the search results all had something to do with San Antonio.

Yeah, they called themselves that and then filed a trademark for it. Nicknames should be bestowed by others, not claimed. But that's JMO.
https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/...231001.php

I see what you’re saying. I ask out of curiosity but could you provide an example of a city nickname bestowed by others and not claimed by themselves.

The Big Apple was given to NYC by a sports writer.
http://mentalfloss.com/article/31841/why...-big-apple

So a sports writer that worked for a New York newspaper gave New York City the Big Apple nickname. I’m not following.
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(07-30-2018 04:01 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  
(07-30-2018 03:56 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(07-30-2018 03:50 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  
(07-30-2018 03:40 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(07-30-2018 03:37 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  I typed “Military City” into google and the search results all had something to do with San Antonio.

Yeah, they called themselves that and then filed a trademark for it. Nicknames should be bestowed by others, not claimed. But that's JMO.
https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/...231001.php

I see what you’re saying. I ask out of curiosity but could you provide an example of a city nickname bestowed by others and not claimed by themselves.

The Big Apple was given to NYC by a sports writer.
http://mentalfloss.com/article/31841/why...-big-apple

So a sports writer that worked for a New York newspaper gave New York City the Big Apple nickname. I’m not following.

There's a big difference between a sports writer making a nickname popular and a tourism board or politicians marketing/trademarking a nickname. Also, as mentioned earlier, Norfolk has 85k+ (over 110k) more active duty service members than San Antonio.
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Of course, scheduling any P5 (e.g., Baylor in 2023) is a big win for LA Tech's attendance. But when it comes to G5's, here's how I rank them for potentially building attendance:

1) Navy
2) Houston
3) SMU

I don't know what the attendance was the last time LA Tech played Navy in Ruston, but I know it was good. And our bowl game against Navy drew over 40K in 2016. I wish we could schedule Navy more often.

The last time LA Tech played Houston in Ruston (2012), the game drew 24,628. So, Houston would be a great school to schedule a series with to improve attendance.
http://www.uhcougars.com/sports/m-footbl...uhfb3.html

LA Tech leads the head to head series with SMU 4-1, and the schools have already scheduled a home and home series for 2021 & 2023.
https://www.thenewsstar.com/story/sports...964649001/

Of course, I've always wanted to schedule Air force too. Barksdale Air Force base is in nearby Bossier City, LA, so I think hosting Air force might be a sellout.
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(07-29-2018 01:00 AM)Rabonchild Wrote:  I struggle with CUSA reaching from ODU to UTEP and FAU to WKY. IMHO with poor TV coverage it is too difficult to build up conference attendance spread out like that. People have to many convenient options today to regularly travel for 8 plus hours to see a game.

These are the realist OOC teams I would like Charlotte to regularly schedule home & home games with whose fans would travel well to Charlotte. Appalachian St, Liberty, ECU, Duke, Wake Forest, Coastal Carolina & Georgia St.

We need to play our conference games and build up our own fan base. However, we need to develop some regional rivalries that could help boost our average attendance. Who are some realist regional teams that could help boost your teams attendance?

I’m pretty shocked we don’t have a h&h done yet. It makes a ton of sense for both sides.
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(07-30-2018 02:47 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
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(07-29-2018 07:03 PM)Funkfo Wrote:  Army or Air Force coming to town would be HUGE because San Antonio is nicknamed "Military City, USA" as it has an Army base (Fort Sam Houston), two Air Force bases (Randolph and Lackland), and Camp Bullis (a 28,000 acre Army camp near UTSA used for training). We once even have a third Air Force base (Brooks), but it was shut down with military down-sizing. Needless to say, San Antonio is home to MANY retired and active-duty military personnel, so I don't understand why UTSA hasn't yet scheduled one of those academies. Navy would even be a big draw because even though San Antonio is Air Force/Army mainly, there are a lot of retired Navy in the city also because they have access to the military bases as well for shopping, health care, and other things.

Uh by who? If anyone should play a service academy it should be ODU playing Navy. You wouldn't find a ticket in Hampton Roads for that game. There are at least 180k active duty (mainly Navy) personnel or support staff in Hampton Roads alone.

Chill out. You talk as though I said UTSA is more deserving to play Navy than ODU. The question was which OOC teams would help our attendance, right?

I'm sure ODU playing Navy would be entirely appropriate also because of the military in the area. But unless I'm wrong, ODU's stadium only seats just over 20K to begin with, and is already sold out for every game. As such, the only thing that would technically build their attendance would be expanding the stadium. So even though it would most definitely be a great matchup for ODU, it wouldn't do anything for their attendance which is already maxed out to begin with. Now, I understand they are going to do improvements to their stadium, but the capacity will only increase by about another 1,000.

And I'm aware of Hampton Roads and the military installations in the area, but Hampton Roads is an area comprising about 3,800 square miles and at least 8 cities. By comparison, San Antonio is one city covering only about 470 square miles, so yes, the "Military City" moniker sticks and makes perfect sense because it's one city with 2 Air Force bases, 1 Army base, and 1 Army camp.

And as I already said, it was at one time 3 independent Air Force bases, 1 Army base, and 1 Army camp. The only thing that has changed is that one of the three Air Force bases has been mostly shut down and turned into an annex. But Joint Base San Antonio (JBSA), as it's called, which is the union of Fort Sam Houston, Randolph AFB, and Lackland AFB, and is under the jurisdiction of the Air Force, is the largest Department of Defense installation/enterprise our military has anywhere in the world, even despite most of Kelly AFB getting shut down.

Btw, even though Kelly AFB was closed as an independent installation, the fact that it still operates on a much smaller scale now as Kelly Field Annex, with many of its assets realigned, makes Kelly the oldest, continuously active air base in the US Air Force, as it opened only 13 years after Orville and Wilbur Wright made their first flight.

Think he was asking who calls San Antonio "Military City USA"? Trademarking yourself with that moniker doesn't really make it so. It's like giving yourself a nickname. Especially when San Antonio's total active duty is 85k less than Naval Station Norfolk. And that doesn't even count Oceana or Little Creek or the armed forces serving at local bases for the Army, Air Force, Coast Guard or Joint Forces Command.

First of all, the only reason I even brought up the moniker is to explain why UTSA should be scheduling military academies, and that it would help our attendance because of the large number of military in San Antonio. Who really gives a **** as to who has more military or how a moniker came about? That's beside the point.

A couple of you have taken it upon yourselves though to turn this into some sort of pissing contest as to who has more of what. So while we're apparently now on this subject, indulge me as to where you where you're getting your numbers from. Do you have any links you can share? I'm asking because I'm highly skeptical that Naval Station Norfolk alone has 85K more active duty than San Antonio does with Fort Sam Houston Army Base, Randolph AFB, Lackland AFB, Kelly AF Annex, and Camp Bullis combined.
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If Tech was ever able to get an LSU, TX, A&M, or Bama at home the game would likely get moved to Independence Stadium in Shreveport
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(07-30-2018 04:30 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(07-29-2018 01:00 AM)Rabonchild Wrote:  I struggle with CUSA reaching from ODU to UTEP and FAU to WKY. IMHO with poor TV coverage it is too difficult to build up conference attendance spread out like that. People have to many convenient options today to regularly travel for 8 plus hours to see a game.

These are the realist OOC teams I would like Charlotte to regularly schedule home & home games with whose fans would travel well to Charlotte. Appalachian St, Liberty, ECU, Duke, Wake Forest, Coastal Carolina & Georgia St.

We need to play our conference games and build up our own fan base. However, we need to develop some regional rivalries that could help boost our average attendance. Who are some realist regional teams that could help boost your teams attendance?

I’m pretty shocked we don’t have a h&h done yet. It makes a ton of sense for both sides.

Not a lot of space on the calendar until 2026 or 2027.
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(07-30-2018 06:34 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  So while we're apparently now on this subject, indulge me as to where you where you're getting your numbers from. Do you have any links you can share? I'm asking because I'm highly skeptical that Naval Station Norfolk alone has 85K more active duty than San Antonio does with Fort Sam Houston Army Base, Randolph AFB, Lackland AFB, Kelly AF Annex, and Camp Bullis combined.

I googled military installations by city and found this discussion;
http://www.city-data.com/forum/city-vs-c...ost-5.html

Perhaps it's outdated data. And I get why you brought it up as it relates to who UTSA should play OOC. That all makes sense. I just think the nickname is silly, considering how many military centric cities there are; Honolulu, Fayetteville NC, San Diego, Jacksonville FL, Jacksonville NC, DC,
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(07-30-2018 07:57 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(07-30-2018 06:34 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  So while we're apparently now on this subject, indulge me as to where you where you're getting your numbers from. Do you have any links you can share? I'm asking because I'm highly skeptical that Naval Station Norfolk alone has 85K more active duty than San Antonio does with Fort Sam Houston Army Base, Randolph AFB, Lackland AFB, Kelly AF Annex, and Camp Bullis combined.

I googled military installations by city and found this discussion;
http://www.city-data.com/forum/city-vs-c...ost-5.html

Perhaps it's outdated data. And I get why you brought it up as it relates to who UTSA should play OOC. That all makes sense. I just think the nickname is silly, considering how many military centric cities there are; Honolulu, Fayetteville NC, San Diego, Jacksonville FL, Jacksonville NC, DC,

From the US military:

Fort Sam Houston
Total Force Active Duty and DOD Civ: 36,976
Family Members: 48,415
Retirees: 76,580
Total population: 161,971

Lackland AFB
Total Force Active Duty and DOD Civ: 34,833
Contract Employees and Family Members: 11,744
Students / Retirees / Other: 71,417
Total population: 117,994

Randolph AFB
Total Force Active Duty: 4,423
Family Members and Dependents: 5,291
DoD and NAF civilians: 5,778
Total population: 15,492.

Total total: 295,457

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Your City-Data forum post included military for a city +100 miles around, which in our case nicely excludes the largest US military base in the world, Fort Hood (147 miles) and Naval Air Station Corpus Christi (143 mi). These would add another ~361K.

EDIT:
That same .mil source does not list a military population for Norfolk, but https://www.hamptonroadschamber.com/page/our-military/ cites 83K active duty and 150K combined population for all of Hampton Roads (not Norfolk), which is less than that within San Antonio city limits, not including our surrounding areas. Now you get it.
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clt says fort Bragg mocks your forts.
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(07-31-2018 04:54 AM)ghostofclt Wrote:  clt says fort Bragg mocks your forts.

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For ODU OOC Football

VT, UVA, Navy, JMU, ECU, Wake, NC State, UNC, Maryland, App State, Temple, Liberty

ODU OOC Basketball

VCU, VT, UVA, George Mason, Richmond, GW, Davidson, St Joes, Temple, ECU
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From FBS
Miami, UCF, USF (Have already played these at home)
FSU or UF (Will never happen, they dont travel)

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(07-31-2018 04:01 AM)forerunner Wrote:  
(07-30-2018 07:57 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(07-30-2018 06:34 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  So while we're apparently now on this subject, indulge me as to where you where you're getting your numbers from. Do you have any links you can share? I'm asking because I'm highly skeptical that Naval Station Norfolk alone has 85K more active duty than San Antonio does with Fort Sam Houston Army Base, Randolph AFB, Lackland AFB, Kelly AF Annex, and Camp Bullis combined.

I googled military installations by city and found this discussion;
http://www.city-data.com/forum/city-vs-c...ost-5.html

Perhaps it's outdated data. And I get why you brought it up as it relates to who UTSA should play OOC. That all makes sense. I just think the nickname is silly, considering how many military centric cities there are; Honolulu, Fayetteville NC, San Diego, Jacksonville FL, Jacksonville NC, DC,

From the US military:

Fort Sam Houston
Total Force Active Duty and DOD Civ: 36,976
Family Members: 48,415
Retirees: 76,580
Total population: 161,971

Lackland AFB
Total Force Active Duty and DOD Civ: 34,833
Contract Employees and Family Members: 11,744
Students / Retirees / Other: 71,417
Total population: 117,994

Randolph AFB
Total Force Active Duty: 4,423
Family Members and Dependents: 5,291
DoD and NAF civilians: 5,778
Total population: 15,492.

Total total: 295,457

Source
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Your City-Data forum post included military for a city +100 miles around, which in our case nicely excludes the largest US military base in the world, Fort Hood (147 miles) and Naval Air Station Corpus Christi (143 mi). These would add another ~361K.

EDIT:
That same .mil source does not list a military population for Norfolk, but https://www.hamptonroadschamber.com/page/our-military/ cites 83K active duty and 150K combined population for all of Hampton Roads (not Norfolk), which is less than that within San Antonio city limits, not including our surrounding areas. Now you get it.

The 150K figure you have for "combined population" is active duty and civilian personnel. Doesn't include families and retirees. So if you want apples to apples adding just those categories up from your figures above. 36,976+34,833+4,423+5,778 = 82K active duty and civilian personnel in SA.


Or conversely, according to this the Naval Medical Center in Portsmouth services approximately 420,000 active duty, family members and retirees in the area. But that number doesn't include civilians.

https://www.military.com/base-guide/nava...portsmouth
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(07-31-2018 09:42 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(07-31-2018 04:01 AM)forerunner Wrote:  
(07-30-2018 07:57 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(07-30-2018 06:34 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  So while we're apparently now on this subject, indulge me as to where you where you're getting your numbers from. Do you have any links you can share? I'm asking because I'm highly skeptical that Naval Station Norfolk alone has 85K more active duty than San Antonio does with Fort Sam Houston Army Base, Randolph AFB, Lackland AFB, Kelly AF Annex, and Camp Bullis combined.

I googled military installations by city and found this discussion;
http://www.city-data.com/forum/city-vs-c...ost-5.html

Perhaps it's outdated data. And I get why you brought it up as it relates to who UTSA should play OOC. That all makes sense. I just think the nickname is silly, considering how many military centric cities there are; Honolulu, Fayetteville NC, San Diego, Jacksonville FL, Jacksonville NC, DC,

From the US military:

Fort Sam Houston
Total Force Active Duty and DOD Civ: 36,976
Family Members: 48,415
Retirees: 76,580
Total population: 161,971

Lackland AFB
Total Force Active Duty and DOD Civ: 34,833
Contract Employees and Family Members: 11,744
Students / Retirees / Other: 71,417
Total population: 117,994

Randolph AFB
Total Force Active Duty: 4,423
Family Members and Dependents: 5,291
DoD and NAF civilians: 5,778
Total population: 15,492.

Total total: 295,457

Source
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Your City-Data forum post included military for a city +100 miles around, which in our case nicely excludes the largest US military base in the world, Fort Hood (147 miles) and Naval Air Station Corpus Christi (143 mi). These would add another ~361K.

EDIT:
That same .mil source does not list a military population for Norfolk, but https://www.hamptonroadschamber.com/page/our-military/ cites 83K active duty and 150K combined population for all of Hampton Roads (not Norfolk), which is less than that within San Antonio city limits, not including our surrounding areas. Now you get it.

The 150K figure you have for "combined population" is active duty and civilian personnel. Doesn't include families and retirees. So if you want apples to apples adding just those categories up from your figures above. 36,976+34,833+4,423+5,778 = 82K active duty and civilian personnel in SA.


Or conversely, according to this the Naval Medical Center in Portsmouth services approximately 420,000 active duty, family members and retirees in the area. But that number doesn't include civilians.

https://www.military.com/base-guide/nava...portsmouth

If your intention is to compare 82K active duty and civilian personnel for one city (San Antonio) covering 470 square miles, to 150K active duty and civilian personnel for the entire Hampton Roads area (8 cities spanning 3,800 square miles), that's not apples to apples. Far from it. So again, I'm not sure what the issue is here.

If you guys can find a larger concentration of military personnel within just one city, then I can understand you taking issue with the Military City moniker, which again is beside the point of this thread to begin with. If however, you can't, I think this conversation is over.
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(07-30-2018 04:30 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  I’m pretty shocked we don’t have a h&h done yet. It makes a ton of sense for both sides.

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(07-31-2018 11:16 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(07-31-2018 09:42 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(07-31-2018 04:01 AM)forerunner Wrote:  
(07-30-2018 07:57 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(07-30-2018 06:34 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  So while we're apparently now on this subject, indulge me as to where you where you're getting your numbers from. Do you have any links you can share? I'm asking because I'm highly skeptical that Naval Station Norfolk alone has 85K more active duty than San Antonio does with Fort Sam Houston Army Base, Randolph AFB, Lackland AFB, Kelly AF Annex, and Camp Bullis combined.

I googled military installations by city and found this discussion;
http://www.city-data.com/forum/city-vs-c...ost-5.html

Perhaps it's outdated data. And I get why you brought it up as it relates to who UTSA should play OOC. That all makes sense. I just think the nickname is silly, considering how many military centric cities there are; Honolulu, Fayetteville NC, San Diego, Jacksonville FL, Jacksonville NC, DC,

From the US military:

Fort Sam Houston
Total Force Active Duty and DOD Civ: 36,976
Family Members: 48,415
Retirees: 76,580
Total population: 161,971

Lackland AFB
Total Force Active Duty and DOD Civ: 34,833
Contract Employees and Family Members: 11,744
Students / Retirees / Other: 71,417
Total population: 117,994

Randolph AFB
Total Force Active Duty: 4,423
Family Members and Dependents: 5,291
DoD and NAF civilians: 5,778
Total population: 15,492.

Total total: 295,457

Source
2nd source

Your City-Data forum post included military for a city +100 miles around, which in our case nicely excludes the largest US military base in the world, Fort Hood (147 miles) and Naval Air Station Corpus Christi (143 mi). These would add another ~361K.

EDIT:
That same .mil source does not list a military population for Norfolk, but https://www.hamptonroadschamber.com/page/our-military/ cites 83K active duty and 150K combined population for all of Hampton Roads (not Norfolk), which is less than that within San Antonio city limits, not including our surrounding areas. Now you get it.

The 150K figure you have for "combined population" is active duty and civilian personnel. Doesn't include families and retirees. So if you want apples to apples adding just those categories up from your figures above. 36,976+34,833+4,423+5,778 = 82K active duty and civilian personnel in SA.


Or conversely, according to this the Naval Medical Center in Portsmouth services approximately 420,000 active duty, family members and retirees in the area. But that number doesn't include civilians.

https://www.military.com/base-guide/nava...portsmouth

If your intention is to compare 82K active duty and civilian personnel for one city (San Antonio) covering 470 square miles, to 150K active duty and civilian personnel for the entire Hampton Roads area (8 cities spanning 3,800 square miles), that's not apples to apples. Far from it. So again, I'm not sure what the issue is here.

If you guys can find a larger concentration of military personnel in just one city, then I can understand you taking issue with the Military City moniker, which again is beside the point of this thread to begin with. If however, you can't, I think this conversation is over.


I was just correcting the last poster. I don't care what SA calls themselves but to say 150K is the entire population of everyone connected to the military in HR is just wrong. Looks more like a half million including retirees, families and civilian workers. Which is about a third of the population.
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(07-31-2018 11:37 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(07-31-2018 11:16 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(07-31-2018 09:42 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(07-31-2018 04:01 AM)forerunner Wrote:  
(07-30-2018 07:57 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  I googled military installations by city and found this discussion;
http://www.city-data.com/forum/city-vs-c...ost-5.html

Perhaps it's outdated data. And I get why you brought it up as it relates to who UTSA should play OOC. That all makes sense. I just think the nickname is silly, considering how many military centric cities there are; Honolulu, Fayetteville NC, San Diego, Jacksonville FL, Jacksonville NC, DC,

From the US military:

Fort Sam Houston
Total Force Active Duty and DOD Civ: 36,976
Family Members: 48,415
Retirees: 76,580
Total population: 161,971

Lackland AFB
Total Force Active Duty and DOD Civ: 34,833
Contract Employees and Family Members: 11,744
Students / Retirees / Other: 71,417
Total population: 117,994

Randolph AFB
Total Force Active Duty: 4,423
Family Members and Dependents: 5,291
DoD and NAF civilians: 5,778
Total population: 15,492.

Total total: 295,457

Source
2nd source

Your City-Data forum post included military for a city +100 miles around, which in our case nicely excludes the largest US military base in the world, Fort Hood (147 miles) and Naval Air Station Corpus Christi (143 mi). These would add another ~361K.

EDIT:
That same .mil source does not list a military population for Norfolk, but https://www.hamptonroadschamber.com/page/our-military/ cites 83K active duty and 150K combined population for all of Hampton Roads (not Norfolk), which is less than that within San Antonio city limits, not including our surrounding areas. Now you get it.

The 150K figure you have for "combined population" is active duty and civilian personnel. Doesn't include families and retirees. So if you want apples to apples adding just those categories up from your figures above. 36,976+34,833+4,423+5,778 = 82K active duty and civilian personnel in SA.


Or conversely, according to this the Naval Medical Center in Portsmouth services approximately 420,000 active duty, family members and retirees in the area. But that number doesn't include civilians.

https://www.military.com/base-guide/nava...portsmouth

If your intention is to compare 82K active duty and civilian personnel for one city (San Antonio) covering 470 square miles, to 150K active duty and civilian personnel for the entire Hampton Roads area (8 cities spanning 3,800 square miles), that's not apples to apples. Far from it. So again, I'm not sure what the issue is here.

If you guys can find a larger concentration of military personnel in just one city, then I can understand you taking issue with the Military City moniker, which again is beside the point of this thread to begin with. If however, you can't, I think this conversation is over.


I was just correcting the last poster. I don't care what SA calls themselves but to say 150K is the entire population of everyone connected to the military in HR is just wrong. Looks more like a half million including retirees, families and civilian workers. Which is about a third of the population.

Fair enough, but in correcting him, you made an error yourself because your own comparison wasn't apples to apples either. I said from the outset of this delightfully immaterial debate that it was a matter of looking at one city of 470 square miles vs. eight cities of 3,800 square miles, so I don't know how it even got this far. But I hope it's all done now, and that this thread can get back to its intent.

Hats off to both Hampton Roads and San Antonio though for our support of the military community. I say that as an Army brat whose dad served for over 20 years, and who comes from a family with a long line of military service, with me being the oddball who didn't follow in that succession. lol
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(07-31-2018 11:48 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(07-31-2018 11:37 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(07-31-2018 11:16 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(07-31-2018 09:42 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(07-31-2018 04:01 AM)forerunner Wrote:  From the US military:

Fort Sam Houston
Total Force Active Duty and DOD Civ: 36,976
Family Members: 48,415
Retirees: 76,580
Total population: 161,971

Lackland AFB
Total Force Active Duty and DOD Civ: 34,833
Contract Employees and Family Members: 11,744
Students / Retirees / Other: 71,417
Total population: 117,994

Randolph AFB
Total Force Active Duty: 4,423
Family Members and Dependents: 5,291
DoD and NAF civilians: 5,778
Total population: 15,492.

Total total: 295,457

Source
2nd source

Your City-Data forum post included military for a city +100 miles around, which in our case nicely excludes the largest US military base in the world, Fort Hood (147 miles) and Naval Air Station Corpus Christi (143 mi). These would add another ~361K.

EDIT:
That same .mil source does not list a military population for Norfolk, but https://www.hamptonroadschamber.com/page/our-military/ cites 83K active duty and 150K combined population for all of Hampton Roads (not Norfolk), which is less than that within San Antonio city limits, not including our surrounding areas. Now you get it.

The 150K figure you have for "combined population" is active duty and civilian personnel. Doesn't include families and retirees. So if you want apples to apples adding just those categories up from your figures above. 36,976+34,833+4,423+5,778 = 82K active duty and civilian personnel in SA.


Or conversely, according to this the Naval Medical Center in Portsmouth services approximately 420,000 active duty, family members and retirees in the area. But that number doesn't include civilians.

https://www.military.com/base-guide/nava...portsmouth

If your intention is to compare 82K active duty and civilian personnel for one city (San Antonio) covering 470 square miles, to 150K active duty and civilian personnel for the entire Hampton Roads area (8 cities spanning 3,800 square miles), that's not apples to apples. Far from it. So again, I'm not sure what the issue is here.

If you guys can find a larger concentration of military personnel in just one city, then I can understand you taking issue with the Military City moniker, which again is beside the point of this thread to begin with. If however, you can't, I think this conversation is over.


I was just correcting the last poster. I don't care what SA calls themselves but to say 150K is the entire population of everyone connected to the military in HR is just wrong. Looks more like a half million including retirees, families and civilian workers. Which is about a third of the population.

Fair enough, but in correcting him, you made an error yourself because your own comparison wasn't apples to apples either. I said from the outset of this delightfully immaterial debate that it was a matter of looking at one city of 470 square miles vs. eight cities of 3,800 square miles, so I don't know how it even got this far. But I hope it's all done now, and that this thread can get back to its intent.

Hats off to both Hampton Roads and San Antonio though for our support of the military community. I say that as an Army brat whose dad served for over 20 years, and who comes from a family with a long line of military service, with me being the oddball who didn't follow in that succession. lol

It's seven cities actually and a lot of that area is peanut fields or marshlands.
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