(07-29-2018 03:03 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(07-29-2018 01:41 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-29-2018 12:12 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(07-28-2018 10:13 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-28-2018 07:18 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  The best W-L-T records in football are as follows:

Texas State: 510-450-26
North Texas: 507-502-33
UTSA: 38-44
UTEP: 394-587-28

UTEP has a bad history in football. They have struggled to win out in the desert. North Texas has a 249-326-11 record in 54 years at the 1-AA/FBS level. The Mean Green have struggled to win at the 1-AA/FBS level in Denton.

UTSA has the best Athletic Leadership and The Dome is a nice venue for football. They may have the best potential. Texas State is going through the worst three year period in Bobcat football history at 7-29. We were bowl eligible at 6-6 in 2013 and 7-5 in 2014. Then the wheels came off the football program.

None of these schools are going to land in the top ten, but the top 25 is possible. I will pick the Bobcats to do it in 2020. The 2020 OOC Schedule has home games vs UTSA, SMU and Ohio with a road game at NMSU. If the young roster develops as it should, the schedule will be very favorable in 2020.

Look, North Texas has been part of the top level of college football since it was first established in 1956. Before that there was just football. When the University Division was created, North Texas was there. When Division I was created, North Texas was there. When the split happened in 1978 we stayed until we were forced down to the I-AA in 1982. We were able to return to D-IA/FBS in 1995, and have won conference championships and bowl games.

North Texas has a winning record over our long history of playing in the highest level of college football. Texas State has only been a part of the FBS for a few years, and hasn't done much. Since moving to the FBS the Bobcats have 24-48 record.

The Texas State coach is on the "Hot Seat", and the Bobcats are coming off of back to back 2-10 seasons. Nothing indicates they are capable of becoming a Top 25 team, but there is every indication that Texas State could be looking for another coach soon.

North Texas is coming off a 9 win division championship season, and 2 straight bowl appearances. And, we are positioned to be just as good or better for the foreseeable future. Our current recruiting class is among the best within the G5, and better then several P5 programs.

The record is what it is. From 2005-2012, North Texas had eight straight losing seasons with a record of 22-73. In 2013, North Texas rebounded with a 9-4 season under Dan McCarney. A good season, but that was followed up by an 4-8 season and then a 1-11 season, which included a 66-7 thrashing at the hands of Portland State. The 2016 season resulted in a bowl bid, but that was a 5-7 team that ended up 5-8 after the bowl loss to Army.

The 2017 season was successful with a 9-5 record. You guys were 5-0 in games decided by 7 points or less. The losses were disturbing, as all five losses were by 17 points or more. A 54-32 loss to SMU. A 69-31 loss to FAU. A 41-14 loss to FAU in the championship game. A 50-30 loss to Troy in the bowl game. Your defense is suspect. The offense had to outscore Army 52-49 and UAB 46-43 for some of those close wins.

North Texas has had 2 winning seasons in the past 13 seasons. I don't see the long winning history. As for Texas State, I was very upfront about how bad Texas State has been the past three seasons. Our first three seasons at the FBS level we went 17-19 and we were bowl eligible in two of those seasons. The past three seasons at 7-29 are the worst in Texas State history. You should be able to relate because North Texas went 5-31 from 2007 to 2009. As you can attest to, it can be turned around. The key is doing it for more than one season.

My prediction for Texas State success in 2020 is based on developing the young talent on the 2018 roster and a favorable non-conference schedule in 2020. It is just a prediction. Your right, this coach will be fired if he has another poor season. That is something you guys at North Texas should understand and relate to.

Look. North Texas had a bad 7 year period (2005-2012) of football. But, despite the down years, North Texas has improved and is the current reigning C-USA Western Division Champ, and we are favored by most to repeat this season. If you choose to ignore the fact that we have a winning record over a very long football history, that is up to you, but it does not change the facts.

You admit the Texas State coach is in danger of being fired. I believe, based on his record, that he is likely to be fired. So, you base your opinion of becoming a ranked team by 2020 (just 2 season removed from the Withers era: currently a 4-20 record), on the hiring of a yet to be selected coach, and his ability to hire a quality staff and develop your talent for his system within 2 seasons. I don't think so, and if you really believe that will happen, you are setting yourself up for disappointment.

You think the 2005-2012 was the only stretch of futility that North Texas has had recently? How about the seven year stretch from 1995 to 2001. North Texas went 24-54 and had no winning seasons in that stretch. North Texas has had 5 winning seasons in the last 23 seasons. You guys had success at the FCS level, as Texas State did. We actually won two national championships at the D2 level in 1981 and 1982.

So if you have a winning history, so do we. We actually have a better record, more wins and two national championships. But back to my prediction. It was in fun. It was based on player development and a favorable schedule in 2020. Another 2-10 season will get our head coach fired. You guys know about firing head coaches in football, since you have fired three since 2006. My expectations for Texas State in football are not high, so I hope they surprise me. Based on recent history, you should lower your expectations as well.

Congratulation on your long history in the FCS/D-IAA/College Division. Let me know when you do something at the FBS level.

If your expectations were not high, you would not be trying to promote the idea that through some miracle Texas State will be a Top 25 team in 3 seasons. That is laughable and I doubt any logical person would agree with you.

Personally, I think you are either a troll or delusional, and based on "recent history", North Texas should compete for the C-USA Western Division Title again this season.

I'm sure you will use some poor excuse for logic and disagree, and post something that contradicts a statement of yours from earlier in this thread, but I hope we can at least agree that this debate has run its course.

(07-29-2018 04:31 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Congratulation on your long history in the FCS/D-IAA/College Division. Let me know when you do something at the FBS level.

If your expectations were not high, you would not be trying to promote the idea that through some miracle Texas State will be a Top 25 team in 3 seasons. That is laughable and I doubt any logical person would agree with you.

Personally, I think you are either a troll or delusional, and based on "recent history", North Texas should compete for the C-USA Western Division Title again this season.

I'm sure you will use some poor excuse for logic and disagree, and post something that contradicts a statement of yours from earlier in this thread, but I hope we can at least agree that this debate has run its course.

This debate has run its course. The topic is kind of ridiculous. But the facts are the facts. The only way North Texas has a winning history is through all games played at all levels. At the FBS level, you have a losing history.

If we include all history, then we have a better record, more wins and two national championships. That is not trolling and that is not delusional. It is just a fact. At the FBS level, neither school has a winning record. That is just a fact.

It seems to really bother you that I made this prediction. It was in fun. It was a what if the team turned it around and started winning games and had a favorable 2020 schedule. Who knows? North Texas had 11 losing seasons in 12 seasons, but turned it around and won nine games last season. Why can't Texas State turn this around? You don't need to answer because North Texas did it last season. Any school can turn it around.

(07-29-2018 06:54 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(07-29-2018 04:31 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Congratulation on your long history in the FCS/D-IAA/College Division. Let me know when you do something at the FBS level.

If your expectations were not high, you would not be trying to promote the idea that through some miracle Texas State will be a Top 25 team in 3 seasons. That is laughable and I doubt any logical person would agree with you.

Personally, I think you are either a troll or delusional, and based on "recent history", North Texas should compete for the C-USA Western Division Title again this season.

I'm sure you will use some poor excuse for logic and disagree, and post something that contradicts a statement of yours from earlier in this thread, but I hope we can at least agree that this debate has run its course.

This debate has run its course. The topic is kind of ridiculous. But the facts are the facts. The only way North Texas has a winning history is through all games played at all levels. At the FBS level, you have a losing history.

If we include all history, then we have a better record, more wins and two national championships. That is not trolling and that is not delusional. It is just a fact. At the FBS level, neither school has a winning record. That is just a fact.

It seems to really bother you that I made this prediction. It was in fun. It was a what if the team turned it around and started winning games and had a favorable 2020 schedule. Who knows? North Texas had 11 losing seasons in 12 seasons, but turned it around and won nine games last season. Why can't Texas State turn this around? You don't need to answer because North Texas did it last season. Any school can turn it around.

No use in debating with the guy. He dislikes us for some reason lol

(07-29-2018 07:02 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(07-29-2018 06:54 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(07-29-2018 04:31 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Congratulation on your long history in the FCS/D-IAA/College Division. Let me know when you do something at the FBS level.

If your expectations were not high, you would not be trying to promote the idea that through some miracle Texas State will be a Top 25 team in 3 seasons. That is laughable and I doubt any logical person would agree with you.

Personally, I think you are either a troll or delusional, and based on "recent history", North Texas should compete for the C-USA Western Division Title again this season.

I'm sure you will use some poor excuse for logic and disagree, and post something that contradicts a statement of yours from earlier in this thread, but I hope we can at least agree that this debate has run its course.

This debate has run its course. The topic is kind of ridiculous. But the facts are the facts. The only way North Texas has a winning history is through all games played at all levels. At the FBS level, you have a losing history.

If we include all history, then we have a better record, more wins and two national championships. That is not trolling and that is not delusional. It is just a fact. At the FBS level, neither school has a winning record. That is just a fact.

It seems to really bother you that I made this prediction. It was in fun. It was a what if the team turned it around and started winning games and had a favorable 2020 schedule. Who knows? North Texas had 11 losing seasons in 12 seasons, but turned it around and won nine games last season. Why can't Texas State turn this around? You don't need to answer because North Texas did it last season. Any school can turn it around.

No use in debating with the guy. He dislikes us for some reason lol

He also thinks that North Texas is a serious candidate for PAC-12 expansion.

Top 10, none.

Top 25, either UTSA or UNT, with my bet on UTSA. UTEP or TXST won't make top 25 under their current situations. UTEP is too far away from the Texas recruiting base, and Texas State won't make it out of the Sun Belt. The Sun Belt has had one ranked team ever, and for one week.