When I google “New Jersey Tech”, NJIT Highlanders are the first result. So New Jersey Tech is common.

(07-26-2018 03:40 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  When I google “New Jersey Tech”, NJIT Highlanders are the first result. So New Jersey Tech is common.

Perhaps common among those unfamiliar with them, but nevertheless incorrect. I lived in North Jersey for 35 years, up until earlier this year. They call themselves NJIT, as does everyone else in the area.

http://www.njit.edu/

(07-26-2018 03:03 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Back before the split in sports, they were considered one of the major football schools in the early 1900s with MIT and the others who left for D3. Mount Ida was another school that was a major football team back then. The reason they dropped to D3 and dropped water polo because they are in a budget crisis as well. They could not keep D1 sports anymore.

No one cares how things were in the early 1900s. There are not many people still here from that time and they were too young to remember much about it.

(07-26-2018 03:20 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  They haven't been relevant in any sport in 40 years. The college has an enrollment of only 1,200 students. You admit they have a budget problem which caused them to drop their last D1 sports yet you still think they have D1 potential.

Everyone has D1 potential in DavidSt-land, including the Truck Drivers Institute.

(07-26-2018 05:06 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 03:03 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Back before the split in sports, they were considered one of the major football schools in the early 1900s with MIT and the others who left for D3. Mount Ida was another school that was a major football team back then. The reason they dropped to D3 and dropped water polo because they are in a budget crisis as well. They could not keep D1 sports anymore.

No one cares how things were in the early 1900s. There are not many people still here from that time and they were too young to remember much about it.

(07-26-2018 03:20 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  They haven't been relevant in any sport in 40 years. The college has an enrollment of only 1,200 students. You admit they have a budget problem which caused them to drop their last D1 sports yet you still think they have D1 potential.

Everyone has D1 potential in DavidSt-land, including the Truck Drivers Institute.

Truvy Jones' School of Beauty to the Southland to corner the Natchitoches Market

(07-26-2018 05:06 PM)AZcats Wrote:  Everyone has D1 potential in DavidSt-land, including the Truck Drivers Institute.

Yuck it up, dude. But Boise used to be VoTec. And yes, that included truck driving:

http://digital.boisestate.edu/cdm/ref/co...es/id/1876

(07-26-2018 03:20 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 03:03 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Back before the split in sports, they were considered one of the major football schools in the early 1900s with MIT and the others who left for D3. Mount Ida was another school that was a major football team back then. The reason they dropped to D3 and dropped water polo because they are in a budget crisis as well. They could not keep D1 sports anymore.

They haven't been relevant in any sport in 40 years. The college has an enrollment of only 1,200 students. You admit they have a budget problem which caused them to drop their last D1 sports yet you still think they have D1 potential.

A problem with the small private schools these days are that they are only accepting traditional students. If they want to survive? They need to open their doors to non-traditional students who are older.

What I am pointing out is that these schools have to rethink what they are doing. They need to get noticed, or they will end up like Mount Ida who closed their doors this year.

(07-26-2018 03:51 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 03:40 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  When I google “New Jersey Tech”, NJIT Highlanders are the first result. So New Jersey Tech is common.

Perhaps common among those unfamiliar with them, but nevertheless incorrect. I lived in North Jersey for 35 years, up until earlier this year. They call themselves NJIT, as does everyone else in the area.

http://www.njit.edu/

Making them New Jersey Tech would put them on the same level in name as Texas Tech and CalTech.

(07-26-2018 06:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 03:51 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 03:40 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  When I google “New Jersey Tech”, NJIT Highlanders are the first result. So New Jersey Tech is common.

Perhaps common among those unfamiliar with them, but nevertheless incorrect. I lived in North Jersey for 35 years, up until earlier this year. They call themselves NJIT, as does everyone else in the area.

http://www.njit.edu/

Making them New Jersey Tech would put them on the same level in name as Texas Tech and CalTech.

Which is absolutely meaningless. The fact is that they're NJIT.

(07-25-2018 07:43 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Big West could have been a bus league in college football.

UC-Davis
Cal. Poly
Long Beach State
Fullerton State
Pacific
University of San Diego
st. Mary's
UC-Riverside
CSU-LA.
UC-Santa Barbara
Hawaii for all sports
Sacramento State
Santa Clara
UNR until a spot opened up in the WAC for them.
UC-San Diego
UC-Irvine said they might look into adding the sport in the future.

All these big California schools without football is bad news.

Considering that UC Davis, Cal Poly, Sacramento St, and Cal St Northridge all had football in 1996 if they had been better prepared for a DI-A move that group of 4, when added to Nevada, Utah St, NMSU, UNT, Boise St, and Idaho would have kept the Big West not only alive, but western.

UNT probably still ends up in the SBC but I think this group could have had the wherewithal to survive Nevada and Boise's departures in 2000 and 2001.

As a Denver fan, I can recap it for you.

Denver began as a Methodist school back in 1864, and started sports in 1867. It was all D-I from the 1940s until 1979. They had football from 1885 to 1960, with a 30,000 seat on-campus stadium, participating in the old Skyline Conference in the Rocky Mountain West with schools like CSU, Wyoming, BYU, Utah State and others. They even had three Bowl Game appearances back in the 40s and 50s - Sun Bowl, Alamo Bowl and Pineapple Bowl.

DU dropped football in 1960, and made hockey the flagship sport, which it still is today. DU has 8 NCAA Championships in hockey, which is tied for second most in the country behind Michigan. Hockey is DU's primary revenue sport now, earning a profit of over $1 million annually, selling out a 6,000 seat arena on 20 dates per year with a $25 ticket average.

In 1979, all sports except hockey (and eventually women's gymnastics) were relegated to NAIA and NCAA D-2 until 1998-1998 for financial reasons. The entire program was elevated back to D-I with a $100 million investment in all new sport facilities for all sports, coaches and support staff in 1998-1999.

At the time, DU wanted to be in the WCC, and even offered travel subsidies to join that league, but was turned down. The only D-I conference willing to take DU at that time was the Sun Belt, which Denver figured would be a short-term solution. It ended up being 15 years, though.

Denver had a lot of success in the Belt in many sports over those 15 years, including NIT appearances, SBC titles and multiple NCAA appearances in different sports. Denver also elevated the academic profile of the Belt as the top-ranked academic school in the conference, and added more cable exposure via TV games with Fox Sports Rocky Mountain. DU also had the best graduation rate and no police blotter incidents in those 15 years. But the obvious geographic distance coupled with Denver's very unique sports mix as an East-coast style private with strong winter sports and country club sports was an odd fit from the beginning. Denver has 24 NCAA D-I Skiing titles, and eight NCAA D- Hockey titles, so those sports weren't changing for anyone.

Lacrosse began at DU in 1966, alternating between varsity and club status. In 2009, DU upgraded its D-I program by hiring a legendary coach, and won the NCAA title over Maryland in 2015, to go with a number of final four appearances. Lacrosse has provided DU with an important bridge to its East Coast alumni and visibility.

DU joined the WAC in 2012, but that league imploded after one season, and left DU holding the bag. DU jumped at the chance to join the Summit as a primary conference in 2013. Hockey is in the NCHC, Lacrosse (M and W) is in the Big East, Gymnastics is in the Big 12, skiing is in the RMISA.

The program today is the top ranked D-I athletic program without football in the country, winning theD-I AAA Learfield Cup in 10 of the last 11 seasons. I believe 10 of Denver's 15 sports went to the NCAA tournament last season, and DU has won an NCAA title in each of the last 5 seasons.

2 words: legalized pot.

(07-26-2018 10:59 PM)puck swami Wrote:  DU joined the WAC in 2012, but that league imploded after one season, and left DU holding the bag. DU jumped at the chance to join the Summit as a primary conference in 2013. Hockey is in the NCHC, Lacrosse (M and W) is in the Big East, Gymnastics is in the Big 12, skiing is in the RMISA.

The program today is the top ranked D-I athletic program without football in the country, winning theD-I AAA Learfield Cup in 10 of the last 11 seasons. I believe 10 of Denver's 15 sports went to the NCAA tournament last season, and DU has won an NCAA title in each of the last 5 seasons.

Denver has a great hockey program. They have a terrific lacrosse program. Good soccer program and good women's gymnastics program. But the Learfield Cup standings are not a true comparison to other schools.

Denver does not have a football program. Denver does not have a men's or women's softball team. Denver does not have a men's or women's track & field program. Denver does not have a men's or woman's cross country team. The men's basketball team has never made the NCAA Tournament.

NMSU went to a bowl game and won it. They made the NCAA Tournament in basketball, baseball and softball. Yet in the final Learfield Cup Standings Denver is #47 and NMSU #124. I think it is hard to compare Denver to other D1 athletic programs.

The WAC did not "leave Denver holding the bag." Denver chose to leave the WAC. Football imploded, but the WAC reacted quickly and
had a nine team league for the next season. It would have been ten, but Denver didn't want to associate with schools like GCU. That decision seemed short-sighted.

(07-26-2018 06:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 03:51 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 03:40 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  When I google “New Jersey Tech”, NJIT Highlanders are the first result. So New Jersey Tech is common.

Perhaps common among those unfamiliar with them, but nevertheless incorrect. I lived in North Jersey for 35 years, up until earlier this year. They call themselves NJIT, as does everyone else in the area.

http://www.njit.edu/

Making them New Jersey Tech would put them on the same level in name as Texas Tech and CalTech.

I didnt know Caltech was even a thing much less a p5 program.

(07-29-2018 11:32 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 06:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 03:51 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  [quote='IWokeUpLikeThis' pid='15400946' dateline='1532637625']
When I google “New Jersey Tech”, NJIT Highlanders are the first result. So New Jersey Tech is common.

Perhaps common among those unfamiliar with them, but nevertheless incorrect. I lived in North Jersey for 35 years, up until earlier this year. They call themselves NJIT, as does everyone else in the area.

http://www.njit.edu/

Making them New Jersey Tech would put them on the same level in name as Texas Tech and CalTech.

I didnt know Caltech was even a thing much less a p5 program.
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I hate to come to the defense of Dave St, but I think he was merely saying the name was f the school, not their athletic prowess, or lack thereof.


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I don't really think it was that short-sighted. At the time Denver left, the WAC was down to Cal State Bakersfield, Idaho, New Mexico State, Seattle and Utah Valley. The teams that were later added to the WAC after that are still a motley crew, representing a for-profit school (GCU), a tragically-underfunded, scandal-ridden school that has no business in D-I (Chicago State), and public commuter schools with low graduation rates (UMKC, Texas Rio Grande Valley). Those are not the company that most privates would want as league mates, especially not a national private.

Denver may not love the Summit, but at least its a conference where there are now some multi-sport rivals in Omaha and North Dakota.

As for Denver's sports mix, it is unique, but it fits the profile for an affluent private university that draws its student body heavily from the East Coast, Chicago and the West Coast.

DU once had football, baseball, track, cross county and wrestling. Those sports all floundered at DU for years, performing poorly and generating little interest. DU would rather invest in, and play those D-I sports where it can recruit athletes that give it a good chance for success. I think its a model that more schools should try to follow.

(07-30-2018 11:15 PM)puck swami Wrote:  I don't really think it was that short-sighted. At the time Denver left, the WAC was down to Cal State Bakersfield, Idaho, New Mexico State, Seattle and Utah Valley. The teams that were later added to the WAC after that are still a motley crew, representing a for-profit school (GCU), a tragically-underfunded, scandal-ridden school that has no business in D-I (Chicago State), and public commuter schools with low graduation rates (UMKC, Texas Rio Grande Valley). Those are not the company that most privates would want as league mates, especially not a national private.

Denver may not love the Summit, but at least its a conference where there are now some multi-sport rivals in Omaha and North Dakota.

As for Denver's sports mix, it is unique, but it fits the profile for an affluent private university that draws its student body heavily from the East Coast, Chicago and the West Coast.

DU once had football, baseball, track, cross county and wrestling. Those sports all floundered at DU for years, performing poorly and generating little interest. DU would rather invest in, and play those D-I sports where it can recruit athletes that give it a good chance for success. I think its a model that more schools should try to follow.

Denver wanted in the Big Sky when the Sun Belt cooled on them, but some Big Sky schools that couldn’t see adding a school that didn’t have FCS were against adding Denver and Seattle as they were fearful of their mbb prowess.

When the Great Northern happens with Idaho, the Montanas, the Dakotas, Weber St, and Omaha, less W Illinois, PUFW, and ORU, Denver will get a better conference than when they originally approached the Big Sky. DU becomes the focus site for the whole conference.

Still say that Denver and UMKC knew of the future conference shift coming way back when, and they gave some lame*ss excuse to make a change when the real impetus for a change was coming much later. DU, UND and Omaha are tied together and must know each other’s strategic vision, especially with regards to hockey.

(07-29-2018 11:42 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(07-29-2018 11:32 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 06:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 03:51 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  [quote='IWokeUpLikeThis' pid='15400946' dateline='1532637625']
When I google “New Jersey Tech”, NJIT Highlanders are the first result. So New Jersey Tech is common.

Perhaps common among those unfamiliar with them, but nevertheless incorrect. I lived in North Jersey for 35 years, up until earlier this year. They call themselves NJIT, as does everyone else in the area.

http://www.njit.edu/

Making them New Jersey Tech would put them on the same level in name as Texas Tech and CalTech.

I didnt know Caltech was even a thing much less a p5 program.
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I hate to come to the defense of Dave St, but I think he was merely saying the name was f the school, not their athletic prowess, or lack thereof.


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CalTech or California Institute of Technology is a private university in Pasadena, California. They are an AAU school which would be a PAC 12 target if they kept football with the Rose Bowl not far from them in town. They have close to $3 billion in endowments. They used to have a major football team who they competed with conference mates at the time, UCLA. Their Alumni have either became Astronauts, scientists or co-founders of major tech these days like Intel, Hotmail and so forth. The school have been filmed numerous times on tv shows and movies. The X-Files and Beverly Hills Cops have been shot there. The gang on The Big Bang Theory are written as characters that works there. They produce a lot of scientists who are noble laureates. Stephen Hawkins and Albert Einstien both were visiting scientists who taught classes there.
Frank Capra is an alumni. He made It's A Wonderful Life movie.
Larry Niven sci0fi writer.

So, I was thinking it could boast their name better to improve their image just to drop the Institute, but still be the same school.

(07-31-2018 02:32 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-29-2018 11:42 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(07-29-2018 11:32 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 06:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 03:51 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  [quote='IWokeUpLikeThis' pid='15400946' dateline='1532637625']
When I google “New Jersey Tech”, NJIT Highlanders are the first result. So New Jersey Tech is common.

Perhaps common among those unfamiliar with them, but nevertheless incorrect. I lived in North Jersey for 35 years, up until earlier this year. They call themselves NJIT, as does everyone else in the area.

http://www.njit.edu/

Making them New Jersey Tech would put them on the same level in name as Texas Tech and CalTech.

I didnt know Caltech was even a thing much less a p5 program.
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I hate to come to the defense of Dave St, but I think he was merely saying the name was f the school, not their athletic prowess, or lack thereof.


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CalTech or California Institute of Technology is a private university in Pasadena, California. They are an AAU school which would be a PAC 12 target if they kept football with the Rose Bowl not far from them in town. They have close to $3 billion in endowments. They used to have a major football team who they competed with conference mates at the time, UCLA. Their Alumni have either became Astronauts, scientists or co-founders of major tech these days like Intel, Hotmail and so forth. The school have been filmed numerous times on tv shows and movies. The X-Files and Beverly Hills Cops have been shot there. The gang on The Big Bang Theory are written as characters that works there. They produce a lot of scientists who are noble laureates. Stephen Hawkins and Albert Einstien both were visiting scientists who taught classes there.
Frank Capra is an alumni. He made It's A Wonderful Life movie.
Larry Niven sci0fi writer.

So, I was thinking it could boast their name better to improve their image just to drop the Institute, but still be the same school.

When CalTech had football they played in front of nobody. They're a great school for academics, but they are garbage at sports.

(07-30-2018 11:26 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Still say that Denver and UMKC knew of the future conference shift coming way back when, and they gave some lame*ss excuse to make a change when the real impetus for a change was coming much later.

Minutes from the secret conclave meeting in 2011:
"Brother Denver, brother UMKC, how shall we work towards the vision of the glorious Great Northern Conference in oh 10 years or so?"
"I've got it. Denver, you leave the WAC for the Summit. UMKC, you leave the Summit for the WAC."
"BRILLIANT!"

(07-31-2018 07:20 AM)seaking4steel Wrote:  When CalTech had football they played in front of nobody. They're a great school for academics, but they are garbage at sports.

I'm going to defend DavidSt for once. He's not talking about sports at all. He's talking pure branding. CalTech is a powerhouse engineering school, in the stratosphere somewhere with MIT. DavidSt is suggesting that if NJIT branded as New Jersey Tech they'd benefit from sounding like the CalTech of New Jersey.

DavidSt ignores a few things though.
1. Nobody but nobody associates Texas Tech with Caltech.
2. MIT is a much bigger presence on the East Coast than Caltech, and NJIT's naming convention is in line with MIT.

(07-31-2018 07:44 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-30-2018 11:26 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Still say that Denver and UMKC knew of the future conference shift coming way back when, and they gave some lame*ss excuse to make a change when the real impetus for a change was coming much later.

Minutes from the secret conclave meeting in 2011:
"Brother Denver, brother UMKC, how shall we work towards the vision of the glorious Great Northern Conference in oh 10 years or so?"
"I've got it. Denver, you leave the WAC for the Summit. UMKC, you leave the Summit for the WAC."
"BRILLIANT!"

(07-31-2018 07:20 AM)seaking4steel Wrote:  When CalTech had football they played in front of nobody. They're a great school for academics, but they are garbage at sports.

I'm going to defend DavidSt for once. He's not talking about sports at all. He's talking pure branding. CalTech is a powerhouse engineering school, in the stratosphere somewhere with MIT. DavidSt is suggesting that if NJIT branded as New Jersey Tech they'd benefit from sounding like the CalTech of New Jersey.

DavidSt ignores a few things though.
1. Nobody but nobody associates Texas Tech with Caltech.
2. MIT is a much bigger presence on the East Coast than Caltech, and NJIT's naming convention is in line with MIT.

(07-31-2018 02:32 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  They are an AAU school which would be a PAC 12 target if they kept football with the Rose Bowl not far from them in town.

That aside I agree that rebranding to New Jersey Tech would make NJIT more appealing by not sounding as "off brand", but it wouldn't put them on par with CalTech, MIT, or Texas Tech.

CalTech and MIT are private schools that are highly selective, NJIT is neither of those. Texas Tech is a large public and an athletic power. NJIT compares better to Tennessee Tech than any of the other Tech schools mentioned. (Similar enrollment, smaller public schools in their respective states)