Houston and the rest of the AAC can eat ****.

(07-29-2018 09:03 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(07-28-2018 11:32 PM)BlueraiderJT Wrote:  All of you AAC'ers defending a douchebag AD and an underperforming program talking smack about teams they couldn't even beat on a consistent basis are cracking me up. Also, this was about football but the basketball argument is stupid on many levels on it's own.

Actually no, the Tulane athletic director is specifically talking about basketball, not football. Football somehow got dragged into the conversation, not the other way around.

Actually, yes. He was talking about the entire program and football was the main emphasis and basketball was mentioned as a footnote after the USM and UTEP swipe. When he mentioned Houston and Memphis, he was talking football. Football drives the bus in college sports.

(07-26-2018 08:16 PM)Noodles Wrote:  USM got screwed. Am I bitter? Yes, and no. The AAC mentality is that of some punk-ass teenager with popped collars who just borrowed the keys to his mom's Lexus, and is showing off at the mall. So, no, being included would not be some panacea. In most ways, it would completely suck.
USM would profit from an AAC paycheck, but we wouldn't be a good fit at all. We have that "Mississippi" stigma to deal with, but we're much classier people, by and large, than any of the schools in the AAC.
So, it is what it is. Bastards didn't want us... and it's probably best.

I love being in a conference with USM, but if you guys ever do get to leave for the AAC, I don’t think for a minute that you all won’t start bashing us the moment you leave. It’s just human nature.

clt says grool

(07-30-2018 07:09 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 08:16 PM)Noodles Wrote:  USM got screwed. Am I bitter? Yes, and no. The AAC mentality is that of some punk-ass teenager with popped collars who just borrowed the keys to his mom's Lexus, and is showing off at the mall. So, no, being included would not be some panacea. In most ways, it would completely suck.
USM would profit from an AAC paycheck, but we wouldn't be a good fit at all. We have that "Mississippi" stigma to deal with, but we're much classier people, by and large, than any of the schools in the AAC.
So, it is what it is. Bastards didn't want us... and it's probably best.

I love being in a conference with USM, but if you guys ever do get to leave for the AAC, I don’t think for a minute that you all won’t start bashing us the moment you leave. It’s just human nature.

Why does that matter since we bash you now?

(07-30-2018 07:09 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 08:16 PM)Noodles Wrote:  USM got screwed. Am I bitter? Yes, and no. The AAC mentality is that of some punk-ass teenager with popped collars who just borrowed the keys to his mom's Lexus, and is showing off at the mall. So, no, being included would not be some panacea. In most ways, it would completely suck.
USM would profit from an AAC paycheck, but we wouldn't be a good fit at all. We have that "Mississippi" stigma to deal with, but we're much classier people, by and large, than any of the schools in the AAC.
So, it is what it is. Bastards didn't want us... and it's probably best.

I love being in a conference with USM, but if you guys ever do get to leave for the AAC, I don’t think for a minute that you all won’t start bashing us the moment you leave. It’s just human nature.

Some of the immature might, but most won’t. We are not going to see it though because our administration is too busy with the status quo...

Houston: 45-20 the last five years, one top 10 finish, one access bowl win over a national power, and has been great against P5 schools.
7-5--beat Arizona
9-4--beat then top-5 Oklahoma, blew out then top-5 Louisville
13-1--top-10 finish; won Peach Bowl against a top-10 FSU, won at Louisville
8-5--beat another ACC team in a bowl
8-5


Memphis: 37-15, two top-25 finishes
10-3--top 25 finish, beat UCLA (2 of those losses were to UCF)
8-5
9-4--beat an SEC team that finished in the Top 10
10-3--top 25 finish (2 of those losses to top-15 P5 schools)

If you want to go look at what we did in the last 4-5 years that Tulane and Memphis were in the conference, be my guest. I would guess that we were 3-4 games over .500 with wins over Houston and an okay Virginia team. I don't know what UTEP did.

How in the hell is he wrong? Because he doesn't care about what happened 15, 20, 30 years ago?

(07-29-2018 12:04 PM)Noodles Wrote:  Houston and the rest of the AAC can eat ****.

What the heck did we do? LOL. The Tulane AD was running his mouth!

(08-01-2018 07:32 AM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  Houston: 45-20 the last five years, one top 10 finish, one access bowl win over a national power, and has been great against P5 schools.
7-5--beat Arizona
9-4--beat then top-5 Oklahoma, blew out then top-5 Louisville
13-1--top-10 finish; won Peach Bowl against a top-10 FSU, won at Louisville
8-5--beat another ACC team in a bowl
8-5


Memphis: 37-15, two top-25 finishes
10-3--top 25 finish, beat UCLA (2 of those losses were to UCF)
8-5
9-4--beat an SEC team that finished in the Top 10
10-3--top 25 finish (2 of those losses to top-15 P5 schools)

If you want to go look at what we did in the last 4-5 years that Tulane and Memphis were in the conference, be my guest. I would guess that we were 3-4 games over .500 with wins over Houston and an okay Virginia team. I don't know what UTEP did.

How in the hell is he wrong? Because he doesn't care about what happened 15, 20, 30 years ago?

Lol...Gotta love these USM “fans” taking up for the opposition. Now you see why we are where we are now...wow

(08-01-2018 09:55 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 07:32 AM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  Houston: 45-20 the last five years, one top 10 finish, one access bowl win over a national power, and has been great against P5 schools.
7-5--beat Arizona
9-4--beat then top-5 Oklahoma, blew out then top-5 Louisville
13-1--top-10 finish; won Peach Bowl against a top-10 FSU, won at Louisville
8-5--beat another ACC team in a bowl
8-5


Memphis: 37-15, two top-25 finishes
10-3--top 25 finish, beat UCLA (2 of those losses were to UCF)
8-5
9-4--beat an SEC team that finished in the Top 10
10-3--top 25 finish (2 of those losses to top-15 P5 schools)

If you want to go look at what we did in the last 4-5 years that Tulane and Memphis were in the conference, be my guest. I would guess that we were 3-4 games over .500 with wins over Houston and an okay Virginia team. I don't know what UTEP did.

How in the hell is he wrong? Because he doesn't care about what happened 15, 20, 30 years ago?

Lol...Gotta love these USM “fans” taking up for the opposition. Now you see why we are where we are now...wow

Why is him being objectively honest about this a problem?

My only question is why did Tulane struggle for 8+ years when they were playing UTEP and Southern Miss?

(07-27-2018 11:33 AM)pesik Wrote:  tulane was a top 175 rpi team in basketball...better than the majority of c-usa.
their team is loaded with 4 stars; melvin frazier (nba 1st round pick), samhir sehic, jordan cornish...ray ona embo wasnt an elite recruit, but is seen as a one of the better nba prospects for next years draft...

they had more top 150 wins than all but 2 c-usa teams ..only 2 of their losses were to 200+ rpi teams
their head coach would probably be the most respected in c-usa (took an nba team to the finals). Stansbury is the only one that could even make a debate

you might think its silly, but anyone who actually looks at tulane's basketball team last year will guarantee theyd have won more games in c-usa...i dont think that is even a debate for anyone who is looking at the numbers

Id put Marshall's whole team of 2 star players coached by Dan D'Antoni up against a group of so called 4 star players coached by Mike Dunleavy SR any day, just schedule it.

Dunleavy SR coached 19 seasons in the NBA, 11 of those years were losing seasons and he has a 613-713 record in the NBA. At Tulane he has went 6-25 (3-15) and 14-17 (5-13). His 3 conference wins in 16-17 was South Florida 7-23 (1-17) twice and Tulsa 15-17 (8-10). In that same year Tulane didn't win one game against a school with a winning record. And in 2 years at Tulane only has 5 wins against teams that have a winning record, one of which was Houston, which made me chuckle.

Forgive me if I don't believe in a program that has a so called arena that looks worse than most DII programs and maybe even some large HSs, has a coach that doesn't exactly know how to win or truly develop players and has a history of a losing culture.

(08-01-2018 11:09 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 11:33 AM)pesik Wrote:  tulane was a top 175 rpi team in basketball...better than the majority of c-usa.
their team is loaded with 4 stars; melvin frazier (nba 1st round pick), samhir sehic, jordan cornish...ray ona embo wasnt an elite recruit, but is seen as a one of the better nba prospects for next years draft...

they had more top 150 wins than all but 2 c-usa teams ..only 2 of their losses were to 200+ rpi teams
their head coach would probably be the most respected in c-usa (took an nba team to the finals). Stansbury is the only one that could even make a debate

you might think its silly, but anyone who actually looks at tulane's basketball team last year will guarantee theyd have won more games in c-usa...i dont think that is even a debate for anyone who is looking at the numbers

Id put Marshall's whole team of 2 star players coached by Dan D'Antoni up against a group of so called 4 star players coached by Mike Dunleavy SR any day, just schedule it.

Dunleavy SR coached 19 seasons in the NBA, 11 of those years were losing seasons and he has a 613-713 record in the NBA. At Tulane he has went 6-25 (3-15) and 14-17 (5-13). His 3 conference wins in 16-17 was South Florida 7-23 (1-17) twice and Tulsa 15-17 (8-10). In that same year Tulane didn't win one game against a school with a winning record. And in 2 years at Tulane only has 5 wins against teams that have a winning record, one of which was Houston, which made me chuckle.

Forgive me if I don't believe in a program that has a so called arena that looks worse than most DII programs and maybe even some large HSs, has a coach that doesn't exactly know how to win or truly develop players and has a history of a losing culture.

but they got better after every year..
your point is that year 1 and year 2 are bad.....ignoring he is building the tulane program from scratch...what should be noted is that from year 1 to year 2 he has improved ..i think they will improve some more next season..and break out in 2020

Lol....This coming from a fan of a school more famous for “Coogin’ it” more than anything else...hilarious

(08-01-2018 09:55 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 07:32 AM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  Houston: 45-20 the last five years, one top 10 finish, one access bowl win over a national power, and has been great against P5 schools.
7-5--beat Arizona
9-4--beat then top-5 Oklahoma, blew out then top-5 Louisville
13-1--top-10 finish; won Peach Bowl against a top-10 FSU, won at Louisville
8-5--beat another ACC team in a bowl
8-5


Memphis: 37-15, two top-25 finishes
10-3--top 25 finish, beat UCLA (2 of those losses were to UCF)
8-5
9-4--beat an SEC team that finished in the Top 10
10-3--top 25 finish (2 of those losses to top-15 P5 schools)

If you want to go look at what we did in the last 4-5 years that Tulane and Memphis were in the conference, be my guest. I would guess that we were 3-4 games over .500 with wins over Houston and an okay Virginia team. I don't know what UTEP did.

How in the hell is he wrong? Because he doesn't care about what happened 15, 20, 30 years ago?

Lol...Gotta love these USM “fans” taking up for the opposition. Now you see why we are where we are now...wow

Right. Because whining, burying our heads in the sand, and trying to tell ourselves that the 80’s and 90’s still matter has helped so much.

(08-01-2018 12:29 PM)pesik Wrote:  but they got better after every year..
your point is that year 1 and year 2 are bad.....ignoring he is building the tulane program from scratch...what should be noted is that from year 1 to year 2 he has improved ..i think they will improve some more next season..and break out in 2020

Again he has won 20 games in 2 years, 5 of those schools had winning records. Beating up on the dregs of your conference and then beating up on low mid majors who finish in the middle to lower part of their conference isn't getting better, sorry.

Here are his wins while at Tulane
2016-17
Southeast Louisiana (16-16, 9-9, 7th in the Southland)
Southern (15-18, 10-8, 5th in the SWAC)
Southern Miss (9-22, 6-12, 12th in CUSA)
South Florida x2 (7-23, 1-17, Last in AAC)
Tulsa (15-17, 8-10, 8th in AAC)

2017-18
LIU Brooklyn (18-17, 10-8, 4th in NEC)
Southeast Louisiana (22-12, 15-3, 1st in Southland, NIT First Round)
Colorado State (11-21, 4-14, 10th in MWC)
Fordham (9-22, 4-14, Last in A10)
Miami OH (16-18, 8-10, 3rd in MAC East, 8th if no divisions)
Alcon State (11-21, 7-11, 8th in SWAC)
Nicholls State (21-11, 15-3, 2nd in Southland)
South Alabama (14-18, 7-11, 9th in Sun Belt)
Temple (17-16, 8-10, 7th in AAC)
SMU (17-16, 6-12, 9th in AAC)
Houston (27-8, 14-4, 2nd in AAC, NCAA 2nd round, #22)
East Carolina (10-20, 4-14, 11th in AAC)
South Florida (10-22, 3-15, Last in AAC)

Out of those wins Tulane has only 2 wins since Dunleavy SR has been there that have been in the NCAA or NIT, Houston and Southeast Louisiana.

(08-01-2018 12:29 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 11:09 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 11:33 AM)pesik Wrote:  tulane was a top 175 rpi team in basketball...better than the majority of c-usa.
their team is loaded with 4 stars; melvin frazier (nba 1st round pick), samhir sehic, jordan cornish...ray ona embo wasnt an elite recruit, but is seen as a one of the better nba prospects for next years draft...

they had more top 150 wins than all but 2 c-usa teams ..only 2 of their losses were to 200+ rpi teams
their head coach would probably be the most respected in c-usa (took an nba team to the finals). Stansbury is the only one that could even make a debate

you might think its silly, but anyone who actually looks at tulane's basketball team last year will guarantee theyd have won more games in c-usa...i dont think that is even a debate for anyone who is looking at the numbers

Id put Marshall's whole team of 2 star players coached by Dan D'Antoni up against a group of so called 4 star players coached by Mike Dunleavy SR any day, just schedule it.

Dunleavy SR coached 19 seasons in the NBA, 11 of those years were losing seasons and he has a 613-713 record in the NBA. At Tulane he has went 6-25 (3-15) and 14-17 (5-13). His 3 conference wins in 16-17 was South Florida 7-23 (1-17) twice and Tulsa 15-17 (8-10). In that same year Tulane didn't win one game against a school with a winning record. And in 2 years at Tulane only has 5 wins against teams that have a winning record, one of which was Houston, which made me chuckle.

Forgive me if I don't believe in a program that has a so called arena that looks worse than most DII programs and maybe even some large HSs, has a coach that doesn't exactly know how to win or truly develop players and has a history of a losing culture.

but they got better after every year..
your point is that year 1 and year 2 are bad.....ignoring he is building the tulane program from scratch...what should be noted is that from year 1 to year 2 he has improved ..i think they will improve some more next season..and break out in 2020

How in the wide world of sports is 2lane building "From scratch". They have had no ncaa issues or scholarship restrictions. Current coach inherited a brand new stadium. Smoke has been blowing for years about their so called great recruiting.
Academics dont hinder them because they have a juco as part of their system they put athletes in.....

With the exception of 98 they have not been good since Roc Hontas was the qb. No league they are a part of will help with their situation.

(08-01-2018 08:34 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  How in the wide world of sports is 2lane building "From scratch". They have had no ncaa issues or scholarship restrictions. Current coach inherited a brand new stadium. Smoke has been blowing for years about their so called great recruiting.
Academics dont hinder them because they have a juco as part of their system they put athletes in.....

With the exception of 98 they have not been good since Roc Hontas was the qb. No league they are a part of will help with their situation.

This was a basketball discussion, but they are equally just as horrid in football.