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RE: Season "Stock" Contest
(07-25-2018 09:39 AM)rileylives Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 08:57 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  So you can "Short" just one team, is there a limit to the number of shares of that team you could short? I could short 1,000 shares of ODU? 10,000?

Yes, but 10,000 short shares of ODU can really bite you in the ass if they achieve 8 wins.

1,000 short shares of ODU will get you 7,500 pts to use for purchases, but if they got 8 wins at 1,000 shares, your paying 8,000 at the end of the game, a net loss of 500 points.

On the other hand, if the Monarchs fall on their face this year with another five-win season, you will see a nice profit of 250 points. The way you have ODU valued makes this a true dilemma for Monarchs fans. I think the best bet for this ODU fan is to just leave ODU alone.
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RE: Season "Stock" Contest
(07-25-2018 10:23 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 09:39 AM)rileylives Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 08:57 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  So you can "Short" just one team, is there a limit to the number of shares of that team you could short? I could short 1,000 shares of ODU? 10,000?

Yes, but 10,000 short shares of ODU can really bite you in the ass if they achieve 8 wins.

1,000 short shares of ODU will get you 7,500 pts to use for purchases, but if they got 8 wins at 1,000 shares, your paying 8,000 at the end of the game, a net loss of 500 points.

On the other hand, if the Monarchs fall on their face this year with another five-win season, you will see a nice profit of 250 points. The way you have ODU valued makes this a true dilemma for Monarchs fans. I think the best bet for this ODU fan is to just leave ODU alone.

Yes, not to pick on ODU, but I’m also currently debating how much I want to change the short stock buy...

It’s certainly a game changer.
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RE: Season "Stock" Contest
(07-25-2018 10:23 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 09:39 AM)rileylives Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 08:57 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  So you can "Short" just one team, is there a limit to the number of shares of that team you could short? I could short 1,000 shares of ODU? 10,000?

Yes, but 10,000 short shares of ODU can really bite you in the ass if they achieve 8 wins.

1,000 short shares of ODU will get you 7,500 pts to use for purchases, but if they got 8 wins at 1,000 shares, your paying 8,000 at the end of the game, a net loss of 500 points.

On the other hand, if the Monarchs fall on their face this year with another five-win season, you will see a nice profit of 250 points. The way you have ODU valued makes this a true dilemma for Monarchs fans. I think the best bet for this ODU fan is to just leave ODU alone.

Well, if it’s any consolation, I have you all pegged at either 5 or 6 wins on the low end, but a max of no more than 8.

So the 7.5 price is certainly the most attractive short stock IMHO.
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RE: Season "Stock" Contest
Love this, Banker. Thank you for doing it.

10 Short - ODU - (75)
8 Buy - NT - 60
5 Buy - FIU - 27.5
3 Buy - Middle - 18
6 Buy - USM 39
7 Buy - Rice 21
1 Buy - FAU - 9.5

I like to diversify the portfolio with both domestic (east) and foreign (west) securities
07-25-2018 10:38 AM
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RE: Season "Stock" Contest
(07-25-2018 10:33 AM)rileylives Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 10:23 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 09:39 AM)rileylives Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 08:57 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  So you can "Short" just one team, is there a limit to the number of shares of that team you could short? I could short 1,000 shares of ODU? 10,000?

Yes, but 10,000 short shares of ODU can really bite you in the ass if they achieve 8 wins.

1,000 short shares of ODU will get you 7,500 pts to use for purchases, but if they got 8 wins at 1,000 shares, your paying 8,000 at the end of the game, a net loss of 500 points.

On the other hand, if the Monarchs fall on their face this year with another five-win season, you will see a nice profit of 250 points. The way you have ODU valued makes this a true dilemma for Monarchs fans. I think the best bet for this ODU fan is to just leave ODU alone.

Well, if it’s any consolation, I have you all pegged at either 5 or 6 wins on the low end, but a max of no more than 8.

So the 7.5 price is certainly the most attractive short stock IMHO.

I have a hard time seeing more than 8 as well and that's including a bowl win.


edit: Unless of course Marshall plans on falling off a cliff again this year like they did two years ago.
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RE: Season "Stock" Contest
Ok, a change...here’s my update. Hopefully I can stick with this. I figured, why the hell not, live and dream big. Starting with 75,100...

10,000 SHORT: ODU
5,000 BUY: MTSU (30,000)
5,000 BUY: FIU (27,500)
2,500 BUY: UTSA (13,750)
500 BUY: SOUTHERN MISS (3,250)
240 BUY: CHARLOTTE (600)
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RE: Season "Stock" Contest
(07-25-2018 10:53 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Ok, a change...here’s my update. Hopefully I can stick with this. I figured, why the hell not, live and dream big. Starting with 75,100...

10,000 SHORT: ODU
5,000 BUY: MTSU (30,000)
5,000 BUY: FIU (27,500)
2,500 BUY: UTSA (13,750)
500 BUY: SOUTHERN MISS (3,250)
240 BUY: CHARLOTTE (600)


Well, never let me have you manage real money for me. You now have a portfolio with $75,000 in debt versus $100 in equity. If ODU wins 9 I am coming for your house and car. BTW, just a note, you better really look at ODU's schedule. Just sayin'.
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RE: Season "Stock" Contest
(07-25-2018 11:06 AM)banker Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 10:53 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Ok, a change...here’s my update. Hopefully I can stick with this. I figured, why the hell not, live and dream big. Starting with 75,100...

10,000 SHORT: ODU
5,000 BUY: MTSU (30,000)
5,000 BUY: FIU (27,500)
2,500 BUY: UTSA (13,750)
500 BUY: SOUTHERN MISS (3,250)
240 BUY: CHARLOTTE (600)


Well, never let me have you manage real money for me. You now have a portfolio with $75,000 in debt versus $100 in equity. If ODU wins 9 I am coming for your house and car. BTW, just a note, you better really look at ODU's schedule. Just sayin'.

Ha! I know.

I’ve mapped everyone’s schedule, tracked wins and losses.

Just ODU...my realistic plan for them. Or what I view as realistic.

W @ Liberty
L FIU
W @ Charlotte
L VA Tech
L @ ECU
L @ FAU
L Marshall
W @ WKU
L MTSU
W North Texas
W VMI
W @ Rice

That nets me 15,000 and bankrolls my stock buys.
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RE: Season "Stock" Contest
Clarifier/Rule Change.

I didn't think people would get out of hand with the short thing, so let's limit the number of shares you can short to 10,000 since that's the highest number used so far.
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RE: Season "Stock" Contest
(07-25-2018 11:22 AM)banker Wrote:  Clarifier/Rule Change.

I didn't think people would get out of hand with the short thing, so let's limit the number of shares you can short to 10,000 since that's the highest number used so far.

I’m totally comfortable going back to my original plan Banker, I don’t want to ruin the game either. It’s awesome.

So even if you want to cap it at 100, that’s more realistic...
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RE: Season "Stock" Contest
(07-25-2018 11:16 AM)rileylives Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 11:06 AM)banker Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 10:53 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Ok, a change...here’s my update. Hopefully I can stick with this. I figured, why the hell not, live and dream big. Starting with 75,100...

10,000 SHORT: ODU
5,000 BUY: MTSU (30,000)
5,000 BUY: FIU (27,500)
2,500 BUY: UTSA (13,750)
500 BUY: SOUTHERN MISS (3,250)
240 BUY: CHARLOTTE (600)


Well, never let me have you manage real money for me. You now have a portfolio with $75,000 in debt versus $100 in equity. If ODU wins 9 I am coming for your house and car. BTW, just a note, you better really look at ODU's schedule. Just sayin'.

Ha! I know.

I’ve mapped everyone’s schedule, tracked wins and losses.

Just ODU...my realistic plan for them. Or what I view as realistic.

W @ Liberty
L FIU
W @ Charlotte
L VA Tech
L @ ECU
L @ FAU
L Marshall
W @ WKU
L MTSU
W North Texas
W VMI
W @ Rice

That nets me 15,000 and bankrolls my stock buys.

Of course ECU is going to be beyond bad this year and FIU is at home, so there's that. Plus Marshall always has a road falter. But that's what makes it interesting.
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RE: Season "Stock" Contest
(07-25-2018 11:24 AM)rileylives Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 11:22 AM)banker Wrote:  Clarifier/Rule Change.

I didn't think people would get out of hand with the short thing, so let's limit the number of shares you can short to 10,000 since that's the highest number used so far.

I’m totally comfortable going back to my original plan Banker, I don’t want to ruin the game either. It’s awesome.

So even if you want to cap it at 100, that’s more realistic...

no, you're good.

Thanks
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RE: Season "Stock" Contest
(07-25-2018 11:16 AM)rileylives Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 11:06 AM)banker Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 10:53 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Ok, a change...here’s my update. Hopefully I can stick with this. I figured, why the hell not, live and dream big. Starting with 75,100...

10,000 SHORT: ODU
5,000 BUY: MTSU (30,000)
5,000 BUY: FIU (27,500)
2,500 BUY: UTSA (13,750)
500 BUY: SOUTHERN MISS (3,250)
240 BUY: CHARLOTTE (600)


Well, never let me have you manage real money for me. You now have a portfolio with $75,000 in debt versus $100 in equity. If ODU wins 9 I am coming for your house and car. BTW, just a note, you better really look at ODU's schedule. Just sayin'.

Ha! I know.

I’ve mapped everyone’s schedule, tracked wins and losses.

Just ODU...my realistic plan for them. Or what I view as realistic.

W @ Liberty
L FIU
W @ Charlotte
L VA Tech
L @ ECU
L @ FAU
L Marshall
W @ WKU
L MTSU
W North Texas
W VMI
W @ Rice

That nets me 15,000 and bankrolls my stock buys.

Personally I see beating FIU & ECU more realistic than NT but who knows. Preseason is fun. Under you scenario we’d get a bowl game as well though, we win that then you’re still 5,000 to the good.

Fun game. I expect you won’t be the only one shorting us but I think I’m with Aggie and going to leave it alone.
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RE: Season "Stock" Contest
(07-25-2018 11:26 AM)banker Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 11:24 AM)rileylives Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 11:22 AM)banker Wrote:  Clarifier/Rule Change.

I didn't think people would get out of hand with the short thing, so let's limit the number of shares you can short to 10,000 since that's the highest number used so far.

I’m totally comfortable going back to my original plan Banker, I don’t want to ruin the game either. It’s awesome.

So even if you want to cap it at 100, that’s more realistic...

no, you're good.

Thanks

No thank you man, I think this is a really great idea. You've done a great job with mapping out the prices, because it really makes you think.

Obviously I had to lay out all of the wins and losses for everybody's schedules to really get a good grip on who to bet for.

I think the thing that makes it the most interesting is even if you're really bullish on one particular team, like I am with FIU and MTSU, someone else could be even more bullish and I lose out even though I cash in on 5000 stock purchases.
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RE: Season "Stock" Contest
(07-25-2018 11:30 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 11:16 AM)rileylives Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 11:06 AM)banker Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 10:53 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Ok, a change...here’s my update. Hopefully I can stick with this. I figured, why the hell not, live and dream big. Starting with 75,100...

10,000 SHORT: ODU
5,000 BUY: MTSU (30,000)
5,000 BUY: FIU (27,500)
2,500 BUY: UTSA (13,750)
500 BUY: SOUTHERN MISS (3,250)
240 BUY: CHARLOTTE (600)


Well, never let me have you manage real money for me. You now have a portfolio with $75,000 in debt versus $100 in equity. If ODU wins 9 I am coming for your house and car. BTW, just a note, you better really look at ODU's schedule. Just sayin'.

Ha! I know.

I’ve mapped everyone’s schedule, tracked wins and losses.

Just ODU...my realistic plan for them. Or what I view as realistic.

W @ Liberty
L FIU
W @ Charlotte
L VA Tech
L @ ECU
L @ FAU
L Marshall
W @ WKU
L MTSU
W North Texas
W VMI
W @ Rice

That nets me 15,000 and bankrolls my stock buys.

Personally I see beating FIU & ECU more realistic than NT but who knows. Preseason is fun. Under you scenario we’d get a bowl game as well though, we win that then you’re still 5,000 to the good.

Fun game. I expect you won’t be the only one shorting us but I think I’m with Aggie and going to leave it alone.

I agree, it's a fun game. I think all of us have those games where we lose to the team we're supposed to beat, and loose to the team we're not supposed to. So I kind of laid that out into everybody's equation.
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RE: Season "Stock" Contest
(07-25-2018 11:30 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 11:16 AM)rileylives Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 11:06 AM)banker Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 10:53 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Ok, a change...here’s my update. Hopefully I can stick with this. I figured, why the hell not, live and dream big. Starting with 75,100...

10,000 SHORT: ODU
5,000 BUY: MTSU (30,000)
5,000 BUY: FIU (27,500)
2,500 BUY: UTSA (13,750)
500 BUY: SOUTHERN MISS (3,250)
240 BUY: CHARLOTTE (600)


Well, never let me have you manage real money for me. You now have a portfolio with $75,000 in debt versus $100 in equity. If ODU wins 9 I am coming for your house and car. BTW, just a note, you better really look at ODU's schedule. Just sayin'.

Ha! I know.

I’ve mapped everyone’s schedule, tracked wins and losses.

Just ODU...my realistic plan for them. Or what I view as realistic.

W @ Liberty
L FIU
W @ Charlotte
L VA Tech
L @ ECU
L @ FAU
L Marshall
W @ WKU
L MTSU
W North Texas
W VMI
W @ Rice

That nets me 15,000 and bankrolls my stock buys.

Personally I see beating FIU & ECU more realistic than NT but who knows. Preseason is fun. Under you scenario we’d get a bowl game as well though, we win that then you’re still 5,000 to the good.

Fun game. I expect you won’t be the only one shorting us but I think I’m with Aggie and going to leave it alone.

Well and another thought that I had on ODU and the North Texas game, I think with your young quarterback your team is going to play much stronger as the season goes on. So I do think you could have six wins and make it to a bowl, but like you said even if I have you with 7 wins I still net 5, 000.
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RE: Season "Stock" Contest
(07-25-2018 09:39 AM)rileylives Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 08:57 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  So you can "Short" just one team, is there a limit to the number of shares of that team you could short? I could short 1,000 shares of ODU? 10,000?

Yes, but 10,000 short shares of ODU can really bite you in the ass if they achieve 8 wins.

1,000 short shares of ODU will get you 7,500 pts to use for purchases, but if they got 8 wins at 1,000 shares, your paying 8,000 at the end of the game, a net loss of 500 points.

Should there be a limit on how much you can short? Edit: missed the earlier post, it's 10,000.
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SHORT – 4 shares UAB
BUY – 15 shares Tech
Buy – 1 shares UNT
Buy – 3 shares USM

Does that math work out? Extreme homerism, but what the heck?
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(07-25-2018 01:29 PM)inutech Wrote:  SHORT – 4 shares UAB
BUY – 15 shares Tech
Buy – 1 shares UNT
Buy – 3 shares USM

Does that math work out? Extreme homerism, but what the heck?

math is spot on.
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RE: Season "Stock" Contest
clt picks are below:

Charlotte 36 units
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