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RE: Season "Stock" Contest
Like the stock market you will have some folks play conservative and some go all out. That, to me, is what makes it interesting. For example, we have had someone take 40 shares of Charlotte. Seems like a high risk, high return play, but is it really? Is Charlotte more likely to get 4 wins than FAU is to get 11? Charlotte is likely only going to play 12 games, FAU may play 14. To me it's hard to find 4 sure losses on the FAU schedule. If FIU wins as many as they did last year Charlotte would have to win 6 to be a better pick. What are the odds of that? Hard to find that many possible wins on their schedule.

Charlotte, UTEP and Rice are penny stock plays. You could hit a home run, but more likely to bust. Some teams are value plays while others are blue chips with some upside. The last category are companies trading at high multiples, but maybe, like Amazon, there's a reason for that.
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RE: Season "Stock" Contest
BTW, if you have already picked and want to change anything, edit your post before Friday morning. That's when I'm going to start going through the thread and recording transactions.
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RE: Season "Stock" Contest
I’m in too but I’m going to wait till a quarterback is picked for UTSA. Hopefully that’s before Rice kicks the season off.
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RE: Season "Stock" Contest
(07-24-2018 08:26 PM)rileylives Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:01 PM)rileylives Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 07:09 PM)banker Wrote:  Does the price of every stock make sense to every investor?

I assigned the values based on my review of the schedules and then made some tweaks to make certain "stocks" more, or less attractive. If you were to predict every team perfectly then everyone who played would end up with the same score regardless of who you picked.

As to the "short" question. If you short two shares of FAU you have 119 dollars to buy other stocks (your original 100 plus 9.50 x 2). You don't buy the stock back, it just negatively impacts your score each time they win. If they win less than 9.5 it was a smart play. If they win 11 then the 19 you got for selling them initially will cost you 22 points at the end of the contest.

I'm not going to adjust price for any reported injuries. If you want to play that angle just wait to make your picks. As long as I have them before the first CUSA game (remember that Rice opens a week before everyone else) then you are good to go.

Aha! I think I get it now. The short stock you pick does not count against your 100. Essentially, your short stock pick could be whom you deem to be over valued by this chart.

And you can purchase a seemingly unlimited supply of this version of stock. It could help, or royally kill your chances. For example, per the values, let’s say someone believes ODU will finish under the predicted 7.5 mark, and achieve 6 wins.

If that person picked ten shares of the ODU short stock, they would receive a bonus of 15 points.

But if ODU won 9, the opposite effect would deduct you 15 points from your overall total.

Is that correct?

This is a brilliant game Banker. I’m in man. Got to pour through my strategy first.

Ok, so one more question. If someone under that scenario bought 10 shares of short stock in ODU, would they then have 175 pts to purchase stocks?

Then the penalty essentially comes the more they win?

Yes, you would have 175 to buy your stock. The stock you buy then gives you your points. For example let's say you take the 175 and buy 50 shares of Charlotte and 20 shares of UTEP (50x2.5 + 20x2.5 = 175). So your portfolio is:

50 shares Charlotte @ $2.50
20 shares UTEP @ $2.50
-10 shares ODO @ $7.50

So if Charlotte wins 4, UTEP wins 2 and ODU wins 7 your score would be:

50x4 + 20x2 = 240 - 7x10 = 170

Anyone think I should add calls and puts? (Joking)
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RE: Season "Stock" Contest
I'm definitely in. Something else to track during the season lol but I'm going to wait closer to kickoff to make my picks too.
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RE: Season "Stock" Contest
(07-24-2018 10:04 PM)banker Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:26 PM)rileylives Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:01 PM)rileylives Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 07:09 PM)banker Wrote:  Does the price of every stock make sense to every investor?

I assigned the values based on my review of the schedules and then made some tweaks to make certain "stocks" more, or less attractive. If you were to predict every team perfectly then everyone who played would end up with the same score regardless of who you picked.

As to the "short" question. If you short two shares of FAU you have 119 dollars to buy other stocks (your original 100 plus 9.50 x 2). You don't buy the stock back, it just negatively impacts your score each time they win. If they win less than 9.5 it was a smart play. If they win 11 then the 19 you got for selling them initially will cost you 22 points at the end of the contest.

I'm not going to adjust price for any reported injuries. If you want to play that angle just wait to make your picks. As long as I have them before the first CUSA game (remember that Rice opens a week before everyone else) then you are good to go.

Aha! I think I get it now. The short stock you pick does not count against your 100. Essentially, your short stock pick could be whom you deem to be over valued by this chart.

And you can purchase a seemingly unlimited supply of this version of stock. It could help, or royally kill your chances. For example, per the values, let’s say someone believes ODU will finish under the predicted 7.5 mark, and achieve 6 wins.

If that person picked ten shares of the ODU short stock, they would receive a bonus of 15 points.

But if ODU won 9, the opposite effect would deduct you 15 points from your overall total.

Is that correct?

This is a brilliant game Banker. I’m in man. Got to pour through my strategy first.

Ok, so one more question. If someone under that scenario bought 10 shares of short stock in ODU, would they then have 175 pts to purchase stocks?

Then the penalty essentially comes the more they win?

Yes, you would have 175 to buy your stock. The stock you buy then gives you your points. For example let's say you take the 175 and buy 50 shares of Charlotte and 20 shares of UTEP (50x2.5 + 20x2.5 = 175). So your portfolio is:

50 shares Charlotte @ $2.50
20 shares UTEP @ $2.50
-10 shares ODO @ $7.50

So if Charlotte wins 4, UTEP wins 2 and ODU wins 7 your score would be:

50x4 + 20x2 = 240 - 7x10 = 170

Anyone think I should add calls and puts? (Joking)

Hey Banker, can I sell Naked Puts on ODU? 04-cheers......(Just kidding)
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RE: Season "Stock" Contest
(07-24-2018 10:04 PM)banker Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:26 PM)rileylives Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:01 PM)rileylives Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 07:09 PM)banker Wrote:  Does the price of every stock make sense to every investor?

I assigned the values based on my review of the schedules and then made some tweaks to make certain "stocks" more, or less attractive. If you were to predict every team perfectly then everyone who played would end up with the same score regardless of who you picked.

As to the "short" question. If you short two shares of FAU you have 119 dollars to buy other stocks (your original 100 plus 9.50 x 2). You don't buy the stock back, it just negatively impacts your score each time they win. If they win less than 9.5 it was a smart play. If they win 11 then the 19 you got for selling them initially will cost you 22 points at the end of the contest.

I'm not going to adjust price for any reported injuries. If you want to play that angle just wait to make your picks. As long as I have them before the first CUSA game (remember that Rice opens a week before everyone else) then you are good to go.

Aha! I think I get it now. The short stock you pick does not count against your 100. Essentially, your short stock pick could be whom you deem to be over valued by this chart.

And you can purchase a seemingly unlimited supply of this version of stock. It could help, or royally kill your chances. For example, per the values, let’s say someone believes ODU will finish under the predicted 7.5 mark, and achieve 6 wins.

If that person picked ten shares of the ODU short stock, they would receive a bonus of 15 points.

But if ODU won 9, the opposite effect would deduct you 15 points from your overall total.

Is that correct?

This is a brilliant game Banker. I’m in man. Got to pour through my strategy first.

Ok, so one more question. If someone under that scenario bought 10 shares of short stock in ODU, would they then have 175 pts to purchase stocks?

Then the penalty essentially comes the more they win?

Yes, you would have 175 to buy your stock. The stock you buy then gives you your points. For example let's say you take the 175 and buy 50 shares of Charlotte and 20 shares of UTEP (50x2.5 + 20x2.5 = 175). So your portfolio is:

50 shares Charlotte @ $2.50
20 shares UTEP @ $2.50
-10 shares ODO @ $7.50

So if Charlotte wins 4, UTEP wins 2 and ODU wins 7 your score would be:

50x4 + 20x2 = 240 - 7x10 = 170

Anyone think I should add calls and puts? (Joking)

I'm Game banker.
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RE: Season "Stock" Contest
Banker,

I applaud your ability to handicap these teams. You are making it quite hard to find the quality stocks. I've only found 3 I really like.
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RE: Season "Stock" Contest
(07-24-2018 10:04 PM)banker Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:26 PM)rileylives Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:01 PM)rileylives Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 07:09 PM)banker Wrote:  Does the price of every stock make sense to every investor?

I assigned the values based on my review of the schedules and then made some tweaks to make certain "stocks" more, or less attractive. If you were to predict every team perfectly then everyone who played would end up with the same score regardless of who you picked.

As to the "short" question. If you short two shares of FAU you have 119 dollars to buy other stocks (your original 100 plus 9.50 x 2). You don't buy the stock back, it just negatively impacts your score each time they win. If they win less than 9.5 it was a smart play. If they win 11 then the 19 you got for selling them initially will cost you 22 points at the end of the contest.

I'm not going to adjust price for any reported injuries. If you want to play that angle just wait to make your picks. As long as I have them before the first CUSA game (remember that Rice opens a week before everyone else) then you are good to go.

Aha! I think I get it now. The short stock you pick does not count against your 100. Essentially, your short stock pick could be whom you deem to be over valued by this chart.

And you can purchase a seemingly unlimited supply of this version of stock. It could help, or royally kill your chances. For example, per the values, let’s say someone believes ODU will finish under the predicted 7.5 mark, and achieve 6 wins.

If that person picked ten shares of the ODU short stock, they would receive a bonus of 15 points.

But if ODU won 9, the opposite effect would deduct you 15 points from your overall total.

Is that correct?

This is a brilliant game Banker. I’m in man. Got to pour through my strategy first.

Ok, so one more question. If someone under that scenario bought 10 shares of short stock in ODU, would they then have 175 pts to purchase stocks?

Then the penalty essentially comes the more they win?

Yes, you would have 175 to buy your stock. The stock you buy then gives you your points. For example let's say you take the 175 and buy 50 shares of Charlotte and 20 shares of UTEP (50x2.5 + 20x2.5 = 175). So your portfolio is:

50 shares Charlotte @ $2.50
20 shares UTEP @ $2.50
-10 shares ODO @ $7.50

So if Charlotte wins 4, UTEP wins 2 and ODU wins 7 your score would be:

50x4 + 20x2 = 240 - 7x10 = 170

Anyone think I should add calls and puts? (Joking)

If I only have 100 points to buy stock with, how can I buy 50 shares of Charlotte @ 2.5 per share? Wouldn't I need 125 points to do that? Am I missing something?
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RE: Season "Stock" Contest
(07-24-2018 10:45 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 10:04 PM)banker Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:26 PM)rileylives Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:01 PM)rileylives Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 07:09 PM)banker Wrote:  Does the price of every stock make sense to every investor?

I assigned the values based on my review of the schedules and then made some tweaks to make certain "stocks" more, or less attractive. If you were to predict every team perfectly then everyone who played would end up with the same score regardless of who you picked.

As to the "short" question. If you short two shares of FAU you have 119 dollars to buy other stocks (your original 100 plus 9.50 x 2). You don't buy the stock back, it just negatively impacts your score each time they win. If they win less than 9.5 it was a smart play. If they win 11 then the 19 you got for selling them initially will cost you 22 points at the end of the contest.

I'm not going to adjust price for any reported injuries. If you want to play that angle just wait to make your picks. As long as I have them before the first CUSA game (remember that Rice opens a week before everyone else) then you are good to go.

Aha! I think I get it now. The short stock you pick does not count against your 100. Essentially, your short stock pick could be whom you deem to be over valued by this chart.

And you can purchase a seemingly unlimited supply of this version of stock. It could help, or royally kill your chances. For example, per the values, let’s say someone believes ODU will finish under the predicted 7.5 mark, and achieve 6 wins.

If that person picked ten shares of the ODU short stock, they would receive a bonus of 15 points.

But if ODU won 9, the opposite effect would deduct you 15 points from your overall total.

Is that correct?

This is a brilliant game Banker. I’m in man. Got to pour through my strategy first.

Ok, so one more question. If someone under that scenario bought 10 shares of short stock in ODU, would they then have 175 pts to purchase stocks?

Then the penalty essentially comes the more they win?

Yes, you would have 175 to buy your stock. The stock you buy then gives you your points. For example let's say you take the 175 and buy 50 shares of Charlotte and 20 shares of UTEP (50x2.5 + 20x2.5 = 175). So your portfolio is:

50 shares Charlotte @ $2.50
20 shares UTEP @ $2.50
-10 shares ODO @ $7.50

So if Charlotte wins 4, UTEP wins 2 and ODU wins 7 your score would be:

50x4 + 20x2 = 240 - 7x10 = 170

Anyone think I should add calls and puts? (Joking)

If I only have 100 points to buy stock with, how can I buy 50 shares of Charlotte @ 2.5 per share? Wouldn't I need 125 points to do that? Am I missing something?

Because in the scenario laid out, that hypothetical total bet would give the person an additional 75 points for picking ODU short stock.

I look at the short stock as almost a loan. You may need to pay out, but the loan could pay you.

That’s why I wanted clarity. I could tell the short stock pick is a make or break...
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RE: Season "Stock" Contest
(07-24-2018 10:52 PM)rileylives Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 10:45 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 10:04 PM)banker Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:26 PM)rileylives Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:01 PM)rileylives Wrote:  Aha! I think I get it now. The short stock you pick does not count against your 100. Essentially, your short stock pick could be whom you deem to be over valued by this chart.

And you can purchase a seemingly unlimited supply of this version of stock. It could help, or royally kill your chances. For example, per the values, let’s say someone believes ODU will finish under the predicted 7.5 mark, and achieve 6 wins.

If that person picked ten shares of the ODU short stock, they would receive a bonus of 15 points.

But if ODU won 9, the opposite effect would deduct you 15 points from your overall total.

Is that correct?

This is a brilliant game Banker. I’m in man. Got to pour through my strategy first.

Ok, so one more question. If someone under that scenario bought 10 shares of short stock in ODU, would they then have 175 pts to purchase stocks?

Then the penalty essentially comes the more they win?

Yes, you would have 175 to buy your stock. The stock you buy then gives you your points. For example let's say you take the 175 and buy 50 shares of Charlotte and 20 shares of UTEP (50x2.5 + 20x2.5 = 175). So your portfolio is:

50 shares Charlotte @ $2.50
20 shares UTEP @ $2.50
-10 shares ODO @ $7.50

So if Charlotte wins 4, UTEP wins 2 and ODU wins 7 your score would be:

50x4 + 20x2 = 240 - 7x10 = 170

Anyone think I should add calls and puts? (Joking)

If I only have 100 points to buy stock with, how can I buy 50 shares of Charlotte @ 2.5 per share? Wouldn't I need 125 points to do that? Am I missing something?

Because in the scenario laid out, that hypothetical total bet would give the person an additional 75 points for picking ODU short stock.

I look at the short stock as almost a loan. You may need to pay out, but the loan could pay you.

That’s why I wanted clarity. I could tell the short stock pick is a make or break...

Okay. That makes sense. Thanks. But you only get to short one team, right?
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(07-24-2018 11:07 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 10:52 PM)rileylives Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 10:45 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 10:04 PM)banker Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:26 PM)rileylives Wrote:  Ok, so one more question. If someone under that scenario bought 10 shares of short stock in ODU, would they then have 175 pts to purchase stocks?

Then the penalty essentially comes the more they win?

Yes, you would have 175 to buy your stock. The stock you buy then gives you your points. For example let's say you take the 175 and buy 50 shares of Charlotte and 20 shares of UTEP (50x2.5 + 20x2.5 = 175). So your portfolio is:

50 shares Charlotte @ $2.50
20 shares UTEP @ $2.50
-10 shares ODO @ $7.50

So if Charlotte wins 4, UTEP wins 2 and ODU wins 7 your score would be:

50x4 + 20x2 = 240 - 7x10 = 170

Anyone think I should add calls and puts? (Joking)

If I only have 100 points to buy stock with, how can I buy 50 shares of Charlotte @ 2.5 per share? Wouldn't I need 125 points to do that? Am I missing something?

Because in the scenario laid out, that hypothetical total bet would give the person an additional 75 points for picking ODU short stock.

I look at the short stock as almost a loan. You may need to pay out, but the loan could pay you.

That’s why I wanted clarity. I could tell the short stock pick is a make or break...

Okay. That makes sense. Thanks. But you only get to short one team, right?

Yeah. I mean, I haven’t thought it all through, but I see a few candidates for that type of stock. I’m just gonna need time when I can focus one night after the kids go to bed and think it through.

I appreciate your hard work putting this together Banker!
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(07-24-2018 10:18 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 10:04 PM)banker Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:26 PM)rileylives Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:01 PM)rileylives Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 07:09 PM)banker Wrote:  Does the price of every stock make sense to every investor?

I assigned the values based on my review of the schedules and then made some tweaks to make certain "stocks" more, or less attractive. If you were to predict every team perfectly then everyone who played would end up with the same score regardless of who you picked.

As to the "short" question. If you short two shares of FAU you have 119 dollars to buy other stocks (your original 100 plus 9.50 x 2). You don't buy the stock back, it just negatively impacts your score each time they win. If they win less than 9.5 it was a smart play. If they win 11 then the 19 you got for selling them initially will cost you 22 points at the end of the contest.

I'm not going to adjust price for any reported injuries. If you want to play that angle just wait to make your picks. As long as I have them before the first CUSA game (remember that Rice opens a week before everyone else) then you are good to go.

Aha! I think I get it now. The short stock you pick does not count against your 100. Essentially, your short stock pick could be whom you deem to be over valued by this chart.

And you can purchase a seemingly unlimited supply of this version of stock. It could help, or royally kill your chances. For example, per the values, let’s say someone believes ODU will finish under the predicted 7.5 mark, and achieve 6 wins.

If that person picked ten shares of the ODU short stock, they would receive a bonus of 15 points.

But if ODU won 9, the opposite effect would deduct you 15 points from your overall total.

Is that correct?

This is a brilliant game Banker. I’m in man. Got to pour through my strategy first.

Ok, so one more question. If someone under that scenario bought 10 shares of short stock in ODU, would they then have 175 pts to purchase stocks?

Then the penalty essentially comes the more they win?

Yes, you would have 175 to buy your stock. The stock you buy then gives you your points. For example let's say you take the 175 and buy 50 shares of Charlotte and 20 shares of UTEP (50x2.5 + 20x2.5 = 175). So your portfolio is:

50 shares Charlotte @ $2.50
20 shares UTEP @ $2.50
-10 shares ODO @ $7.50

So if Charlotte wins 4, UTEP wins 2 and ODU wins 7 your score would be:

50x4 + 20x2 = 240 - 7x10 = 170

Anyone think I should add calls and puts? (Joking)

Hey Banker, can I sell Naked Puts on ODU? 04-cheers......(Just kidding)


Better yet I would buy those puts from you on ODU! $$$$$

I would sell naked Call options on ODU all day! 7.5 is stretch for them
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Use this thread for clarity and instructions.

Sticky another thread for picks and results and try to have people limit posts in that to their picks, only. That way once all the people have picked it wont get lost in the hundreds of posts during football season. I'm sure a mod could accommodate that. Put a link to this thread for discussion at the top of the sticky one and you're all set.

Just a suggestion.

Good work, Banker. I think this is something that may catch on for real money, like fantasy football. Be great for NFL games with more teams and a wider spectrum of prices. You could run that "unofficially" with a website for entries and a "fee" to join the site. More fun that just straight up linebetting games. And you could divide the $$ amongst the top ten winners or so. Thousands of entries at $100 a pop would be big prizes and healthy cut for you for the effort. I would copyright this "game" were I you. Need some kind of tiebreaker, though for that event. Like a Super Bowl score pickem along side the stock game. We could use a CUSA CCG score pickem for tiebreakers.

Be kind of cool seeing people short the Jets or the Browns and then they have a breakout year and screw everybody. Good stuff.
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clt says this is going to be problematic when the ga southern guy from hotlanta and the appys see this. It will take weeks for them to understand stocks in theory.
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I'm in but will wait awhile before posting my buy. ODU looks like it could be the NVDA of 2016 for this game -- overvalued at $25 and cannot possibly go up any further, heh, heh, heh.
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So you can "Short" just one team, is there a limit to the number of shares of that team you could short? I could short 1,000 shares of ODU? 10,000?
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Ok, here’s my guess. I may need to tweek, but for now let me roll with this.

12 SHORT: ODU
10 BUY: MTSU
10 BUY: FIU
8 BUY: UTSA
4 BUY: SOUTHERN MISS
2 BUY: CHARLOTTE

Total = 190
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(07-25-2018 08:57 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  So you can "Short" just one team, is there a limit to the number of shares of that team you could short? I could short 1,000 shares of ODU? 10,000?

Yes, but 10,000 short shares of ODU can really bite you in the ass if they achieve 8 wins.

1,000 short shares of ODU will get you 7,500 pts to use for purchases, but if they got 8 wins at 1,000 shares, your paying 8,000 at the end of the game, a net loss of 500 points.
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