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RE: MWC/Thompson Roundtable
(07-25-2018 11:51 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 11:34 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
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(07-24-2018 09:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  lol...no huffing and puffing from me. Im just pointing out that those are the only schools that could say "Im interested in joining" and the AAC would likley pull the trigger on right now. Boise would probably not a get much support right now on their own. lol...They burnt a few bridges in 2013.

The AAC should try to convince Army to give it another try playing football in a conference. C-USA was a fiasco for them but maybe this time, it might work especially having Navy and other nearby schools such as Temple and UConn in the league. The 14th school would be UMass or perhaps Old Domnion which is the C-USA school I believe has what it takes to move up.

Air Force won’t leave Colorado State, Wyoming and New Mexico to go East. They value those ties with the Front Range schools and I’m sure they like playing Utah State and Boise State. They’re in the right place. BYU will not join a G5 for one reason: Utah. They won’t take the humiliation in playing SMU, Houston, Tulsa, Memphis, Tulane and Air Force in their division while Utah plays USC, UCLA, Colorado, Arizona State and Arizona in theirs. They won’t allow it and for that same reason BYU will stick to independence as long as they can.

I don’t know. I think playing in a league with the other academies in a division made up Navy and mostly private schools might actually appeal to AF.

That would be true if they rarely play Army and Navy but that’s not the case. As I mentioned before, Air Force values those ties with the Front Rage schools which goes back to four decades. They won’t severe those ties to go to a conference that might not exist or might look completely different in 10 years. They don’t want to be like UTEP, a Westetn school lost in a Southern based conference wth a bunch of schools it has nothing in common with. That’s why I laugh when Air Force and BYU are mentioned. Your only chances are with schools in C-USA, Sun Belt and G5 independents not named BYU, they’ll do anything to leave the situation they’re in.

I don’t see the difference. Now they play Army and Navy as annual OOC games and Wyoming and Colorado St as conference games. Essentially, they would do the same thing—except Army and Navy would be conference games and Wyoming and Colorado St would be OOC.

We just agree to disagree. Air Force gains nothing in going East. Long term is a huge risk going to a conference where 90% of its schools auditioned to the Big XII last summer. Not saying the MWC is a safe haven but at least they’re with familiar schools in their time zone and not with Eastern time schools they have nothing in common with. The last thing AFA wants is to be stuck with Temple, East Carolina and Tulane in a watered down AAC.
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Ideal AAC Expansion would be to add Army and Air Force and 4 other western schools.

An out-of-the-box concept that could make the schedule and alignment work for a larger conference is to have rotating divisions. Certain schools would be permanent EAST or WEST division members. Other schools would be "flex teams" that rotate between the EAST and WEST divisions. Stack the rotation and schedules to maintain rivalries and must-play games. Only divisional games determine the division winner.

FOOTBALL
EAST: UCF, USF, ECU, Temple, UConn
WEST: Boise St., SDSU, CSU, UNLV, Air Force
FLEX: Houston-SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, Memphis, Cincinnati, Navy-Army
[Perhaps Army-Navy and Houston-SMU always play together in the same division]

Encourage a limited number of intra-conference OOC games, as we have seen scheduled in the ACC.

Even better would be CCG de-regulation, which would allow for 3 divisions. CCG involves the top two division winners:

EAST: UCF, USF, ECU, Temple, UConn, Army
CENTRAL: Houston, SMU, Tulane, Memphis, Cincinnati, Navy
WEST: Boise St., SDSU, CSU, UNLV, Tulsa, Air Force

This setup would allow for more cross-division play, with Army-Navy-Air Force as cross-division locks.

8 or 9 games of weekly football inventory. 1-2 games on each of Thursday and Friday and then 5-7 games from 12pm to 10pm ET on Saturday.

BASKETBALL
For basketball, create 3 regional divisions that make up the vast majority of the basketball inventory. Stack the cross-division schedules to limit out-of-division games such that no teams has more than one 2-game road trip against each of the other divisions. (For Olympic sports, you could likely focus on the regional division entirely - or replace some longer - and common - OOC road trips with cross-division road trips).

To fill in the regional division gaps, invite Gonzaga, VCU, BYU (Olympics only), and UMass (Olympics only) to the expanded conference:

EAST: UCF, USF, ECU, Temple, UConn, VCU, UMass
CENTRAL: Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, Memphis, Cincinnati, Wichita St.
WEST: Boise St., SDSU, CSU, UNLV, Air Force, Gonzaga, BYU

20-game basketball schedule - 12 games against your division (home-road); 4 games against each of the other divisions (8 total) - this will include just two 2-game out-of-division road trips. Rotate the conference tournament to venues in an EAST-CENTRAL-WEST rotation.

20 games or so of weekly basketball inventory. If desired, that would give you 2-3 games each of Monday through Friday and 4-6 games on Saturday and Sunday, from 12pm to 10pm ET.
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The MWC vs the AAC: Which is the top Group of 5 conference?
https://www.mwcconnection.com/2018/7/25/...conference
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(07-25-2018 12:54 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  The MWC vs the AAC: Which is the top Group of 5 conference?
https://www.mwcconnection.com/2018/7/25/...conference


I can not argue with that. The MW certainly has its work cut out for them. That article lays it out quite well and is one of the better ones I have read on the subject.


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RE: MWC/Thompson Roundtable
(07-25-2018 12:39 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 11:51 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 11:34 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 01:21 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 11:51 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  The AAC should try to convince Army to give it another try playing football in a conference. C-USA was a fiasco for them but maybe this time, it might work especially having Navy and other nearby schools such as Temple and UConn in the league. The 14th school would be UMass or perhaps Old Domnion which is the C-USA school I believe has what it takes to move up.

Air Force won’t leave Colorado State, Wyoming and New Mexico to go East. They value those ties with the Front Range schools and I’m sure they like playing Utah State and Boise State. They’re in the right place. BYU will not join a G5 for one reason: Utah. They won’t take the humiliation in playing SMU, Houston, Tulsa, Memphis, Tulane and Air Force in their division while Utah plays USC, UCLA, Colorado, Arizona State and Arizona in theirs. They won’t allow it and for that same reason BYU will stick to independence as long as they can.

I don’t know. I think playing in a league with the other academies in a division made up Navy and mostly private schools might actually appeal to AF.

That would be true if they rarely play Army and Navy but that’s not the case. As I mentioned before, Air Force values those ties with the Front Rage schools which goes back to four decades. They won’t severe those ties to go to a conference that might not exist or might look completely different in 10 years. They don’t want to be like UTEP, a Westetn school lost in a Southern based conference wth a bunch of schools it has nothing in common with. That’s why I laugh when Air Force and BYU are mentioned. Your only chances are with schools in C-USA, Sun Belt and G5 independents not named BYU, they’ll do anything to leave the situation they’re in.

I don’t see the difference. Now they play Army and Navy as annual OOC games and Wyoming and Colorado St as conference games. Essentially, they would do the same thing—except Army and Navy would be conference games and Wyoming and Colorado St would be OOC.

We just agree to disagree. Air Force gains nothing in going East. Long term is a huge risk going to a conference where 90% of its schools auditioned to the Big XII last summer. Not saying the MWC is a safe haven but at least they’re with familiar schools in their time zone and not with Eastern time schools they have nothing in common with. The last thing AFA wants is to be stuck with Temple, East Carolina and Tulane in a watered down AAC.

To be clear--I dont think its going to happen, but I do think if Army decided they were interested the AAC--a move to the AAC might be pretty appealing to AF. Also, if the next contract results in a significant monetary difference in the two conferences---that could be a factor as well. That said--I see nothing to indicate AF is going anywhere anytime soon. I think they are happy with the status quo unless something like I described occurs.
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RE: MWC/Thompson Roundtable
(07-25-2018 03:40 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 12:54 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  The MWC vs the AAC: Which is the top Group of 5 conference?
https://www.mwcconnection.com/2018/7/25/...conference


I can not argue with that. The MW certainly has its work cut out for them. That article lays it out quite well and is one of the better ones I have read on the subject.


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I think Boise State, San Diego State and Fresno State have proved that they can compete on the field. It is the other 9 that needs to step up their game.
I also disagree with what he said that was incorrect about Boise State. They are still scheduling tough competition from the P5 schools. Boise is set to host Florida State in the future. Boise State is still be treated like they are a strong P5 school to play.
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RE: MWC/Thompson Roundtable
(07-25-2018 04:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 03:40 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  
(07-25-2018 12:54 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  The MWC vs the AAC: Which is the top Group of 5 conference?
https://www.mwcconnection.com/2018/7/25/...conference


I can not argue with that. The MW certainly has its work cut out for them. That article lays it out quite well and is one of the better ones I have read on the subject.


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I think Boise State, San Diego State and Fresno State have proved that they can compete on the field. It is the other 9 that needs to step up their game.
I also disagree with what he said that was incorrect about Boise State. They are still scheduling tough competition from the P5 schools. Boise is set to host Florida State in the future. Boise State is still be treated like they are a strong P5 school to play.

Well Daveyboy, I do agree with you on this one.
Boise St somehow has home games with Florida St, Michigan St, Oklahoma St coming up. That’s very impressive.
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(07-25-2018 12:02 PM)YNot Wrote:  
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Mountain West Conference commissioner Craig Thompson: “We get told directly by media/TV partners that ‘the later you play, the more value you give us.’ “

This is precisely why now is the time for the AAC to aggressively pursue western expansion.

While I don't disagree, Boise has not been forgiven for pulling out. And there can be no Western expansion without them.

I think you'll see the American stand pat for awhile.
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(07-24-2018 01:51 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Some tweets about Craig Thompson's MWC round-table discussion today.

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Craig Thompson said when new TV deal is negotiated, Boise State’s home games being sold separately will continue since it was part of their membership agreement.

(07-24-2018 02:52 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  The Boise deal kills the MWC value.

Agreed. Makes much more sense to sell the package as a whole, and then pay Boise a bonus.

Selling Boise separately allows TV to lowball the rest of the league.
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RE: MWC/Thompson Roundtable
(07-24-2018 08:00 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 03:20 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 02:52 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  The Boise deal kills the MWC value. I just think you eventually see them in the AAC.

I think the bloom may be off the rose for Boise. Competitively, they have been trending down, and if that were to continue so would interest in the Broncos outside their region. Frankly, I don't see them being able to sustain their sweetheart deal with the MWC in the long run. The AAC could be chasing damaged goods, and overpaying for it.

The AAC today is probably as strong as it will ever be.


I keep telling you all Boise is going to be very good this year. It comes down to an early season game at Okie State to see how good, 19 of 22 starters return.


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Plus Rypien, who is a veteran QB. They should have an excellent season and potentially could make some national noise if they beat Oklahoma State in week 3.
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(07-25-2018 04:24 AM)NoDak Wrote:  AFA inquired to the MVC about putting Olympic sports there. AFA was at least open to moving their Olympic Sports over, as mostly they get pummeled in the MWC, but the MVC wasn’t interested. AFA leaving would make the MWC more pleasing to Gonzaga, as it would weed out a weak basketball program. AFA just needs an all sports conference closer to the Patriot in competition and presumably academics.

The question is would AFA fb move to the AAC. The AAC has better bowls, national coverage, military rivals and mostly better academics. Play one game annually against Colo St, and call it a day.

Just for AFA recruitment, more eastern and central time zone games would probably be a great service. The MWC schedule is a disservice. Mix in one Pacific time game a year, and AFA fb would practically cover the nation.

Half the West Coast Conference is weak in basketball. Losing Air Force would have no impact on Gonzaga's decision.
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