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RE: I have a different take on the Florida Stand your Ground shooting.
(07-24-2018 08:32 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:22 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  If you really look at that video this is what you will see...You have a felony assault. Then you have a lot larger, stronger male walk over to the person who got assaulted and stand over him. When he see's the gun he takes a step back but still stops again to say something. I'm going to assume he wasn't being nice and asking the man if he could help him up.

1. man standing at a safe distant (at least 3 feet) from a woman who is safely in her car. What he's saying and how he's saying it no one really knows. Yes you have the woman's statement and that of a man's who went into the store. Talking/arguing is two different thing. But I'm going to assume the man was fairly upset and not being nice.

2. You have a woman sitting in a car parked in a handicap spot. I'm going to assume this happens often at this store. She is safe in her car and car and she can lock her doors and roll up her windows. She could have also defused this just by putting her car in drive and taking 10 seconds to move to another spot. But that would have inconvenience her. Plus this white man would have won.

3. You have a 28 year old man who looks a lot bigger, stronger, fitter than the man standing 4 feet away talking/arguing about a parking space.

4. As soon as the girl see's her boyfriend she gets brave and jumps out of the car. At this point she walks toward the man.

5. you then have the 28 year old boyfriend to walk up and blindside the 47 year old man. Knocks him 8 to 10 feeton the concert. Then the 28 year old walks over to him. Stands over himsaying something.

6. When the 28 year old walks over and stands over the man on the ground...THAT IS WENT HE PULLS THE GUN.

7. 28 year old takes a step back when he sees the gun. Then he stops and says something else to the man he just assaulted.That is when he was shot.

Don't assault a stranger, don't get shot.

Simple.

Bingo!
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RE: I have a different take on the Florida Stand your Ground shooting.
(07-24-2018 06:28 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Moral of the story don't physically attack someone else. They might out a gun and kill you.

This, and thats without knowing the full details of the incident. I hate when people park in handicap spots, but I am also not going to go up and confront them. I can easily call the cops and give them the license plate number and let them handle it.
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RE: I have a different take on the Florida Stand your Ground shooting.
(07-24-2018 09:33 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 09:13 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 09:05 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  
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(07-24-2018 08:40 AM)bullet Wrote:  I don't think its stand your ground at all. Self defense, yes.


You need to read the law for each because this is clearly stand your ground. I have no problem with that. Zimmerman was self defense because he was being assaulted and felt his life was in danger when he shot.

SYG you only need to fear you might be in danger

A lot of people misunderstand SYG. It only removes the duty to retreat. It does not change the standard for self-defense. Its not legally correct to say SYG only requires you to be in fear you might be in danger. Florida law requires that you reasonably believe use of deadly force is necessary to prevent imminent death, great bodily harm, or a forcible felony. There are some presumptions that can come into play as far as reasonableness but most deal with castle doctrine type situations or resisting forcible felonies. SYG does not allow you to kill someone because you fear they might hurt you. You have to reasonably believe that you are faced with death, great harm etc. Its hard to get convictions in self-defense cases because the state has to prove that you did not act in self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt in FL.


There's a different level to prove in a self defense. You have to reasonably believe your life could be in danger at that moment

Stand your ground takes out that reasonably and also removes imminent deadly attack . That is way in the Zimmerman case they brought in experts on the danger of someone pushing your head into concert because it was a self defense argument

Thats wrong and a misconception the media portrays. I am a FL prosecutor and have been a defense attorney in the past. SYG does not remove the requirement that you reasonably believe your life is in danger in that moment. SYG only removes the duty to retreat. The sheriff in pinellas has mistated the standard on tv a couple times and taken heat for it.

Stand your ground
“a person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”


Yes it does now you can have stand your ground for great bodily harm to himself or herself or another

That is what happen in this case. The man attacked him but from what I've seen he was still threatening him so he was still in danger of great bodily harm to himself.

That is a different standard than when FL. only had self defense
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RE: I have a different take on the Florida Stand your Ground shooting.
(07-24-2018 08:36 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:09 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 07:49 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 07:44 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 07:33 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  How are you going to defend your family? Why can't you answer a basic question?

Because you already know the answer. The fact that I have to give details to a man on how to defend his family is really troublesome.

What is concerning is that you can't even define how you are going to "defend" your wife and kids. Getting in the car and leaving is the civilized way to handle it. But since you are a "real man" maybe you can explain how a real man would handle the situation?

So now we are testing manhood now? Like I said too many times in my posts above. You know exactly what I mean. You can even make assumptions if that makes you feel better. You handle it your away and I will handle it my way.
You have yet to define your way.
Also, check your posts for "I", you use it way too much. Same for Mach.
I guess your going to be waiting a long time for something that you already have the answer to.

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RE: I have a different take on the Florida Stand your Ground shooting.
(07-24-2018 09:52 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 09:33 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 09:13 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 09:05 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:48 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  You need to read the law for each because this is clearly stand your ground. I have no problem with that. Zimmerman was self defense because he was being assaulted and felt his life was in danger when he shot.

SYG you only need to fear you might be in danger

A lot of people misunderstand SYG. It only removes the duty to retreat. It does not change the standard for self-defense. Its not legally correct to say SYG only requires you to be in fear you might be in danger. Florida law requires that you reasonably believe use of deadly force is necessary to prevent imminent death, great bodily harm, or a forcible felony. There are some presumptions that can come into play as far as reasonableness but most deal with castle doctrine type situations or resisting forcible felonies. SYG does not allow you to kill someone because you fear they might hurt you. You have to reasonably believe that you are faced with death, great harm etc. Its hard to get convictions in self-defense cases because the state has to prove that you did not act in self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt in FL.


There's a different level to prove in a self defense. You have to reasonably believe your life could be in danger at that moment

Stand your ground takes out that reasonably and also removes imminent deadly attack . That is way in the Zimmerman case they brought in experts on the danger of someone pushing your head into concert because it was a self defense argument

Thats wrong and a misconception the media portrays. I am a FL prosecutor and have been a defense attorney in the past. SYG does not remove the requirement that you reasonably believe your life is in danger in that moment. SYG only removes the duty to retreat. The sheriff in pinellas has mistated the standard on tv a couple times and taken heat for it.

Stand your ground
“a person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”


Yes it does now you can have stand your ground for great bodily harm to himself or herself or another

That is what happen in this case. The man attacked him but from what I've seen he was still threatening him so he was still in danger of great bodily harm to himself.

That is a different standard than when FL. only had self defense

Its the exact same standard as self defense in FL, you can use deadly force when you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent imminent death, great bodily harm, or the commission of a forcible felony. The only change in the language is about "has no duty to retreat" in section 776.012. The section you cited is titled "justifable use of force" in statute.
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RE: I have a different take on the Florida Stand your Ground shooting.
(07-24-2018 10:00 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:36 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:09 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 07:49 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 07:44 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  Because you already know the answer. The fact that I have to give details to a man on how to defend his family is really troublesome.

What is concerning is that you can't even define how you are going to "defend" your wife and kids. Getting in the car and leaving is the civilized way to handle it. But since you are a "real man" maybe you can explain how a real man would handle the situation?

So now we are testing manhood now? Like I said too many times in my posts above. You know exactly what I mean. You can even make assumptions if that makes you feel better. You handle it your away and I will handle it my way.
You have yet to define your way.
Also, check your posts for "I", you use it way too much. Same for Mach.
I guess your going to be waiting a long time for something that you already have the answer to.

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Sorry but you did not answer what your way would be. You left it for others to assume.

So I assume you will act like a brave man and knock the person on his ass then go stand over him and threaten to do it again if he ever says anything to your wife or girlfriend?

I bet your wife and kids will feel a lot better knowing you handled it like a man while they put your body in the ground...

Real man!

A real man tells the ******* to back his ass up and at the same time telling his wife to get her ass back in the car. Then if the man refused to back away he pushes him away. That's what a real man does to protect his family. Not act first and think second and get yourself killed
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RE: I have a different take on the Florida Stand your Ground shooting.
(07-24-2018 10:05 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 10:00 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:36 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:09 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 07:49 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  What is concerning is that you can't even define how you are going to "defend" your wife and kids. Getting in the car and leaving is the civilized way to handle it. But since you are a "real man" maybe you can explain how a real man would handle the situation?

So now we are testing manhood now? Like I said too many times in my posts above. You know exactly what I mean. You can even make assumptions if that makes you feel better. You handle it your away and I will handle it my way.
You have yet to define your way.
Also, check your posts for "I", you use it way too much. Same for Mach.
I guess your going to be waiting a long time for something that you already have the answer to.

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Sorry but you did not answer what your way would be. You left it for others to assume.

So I assume you will act like a brave man and knock the person on his ass then go stand over him and threaten to do it again if he ever says anything to your wife or girlfriend?

I bet your wife and kids will feel a lot better knowing you handled it like a man while they put your body in the ground...

Real man!
That's all you guys on this board do is assume anyway. Why stop now?

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RE: I have a different take on the Florida Stand your Ground shooting.
(07-24-2018 10:02 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 09:52 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 09:33 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 09:13 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 09:05 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  A lot of people misunderstand SYG. It only removes the duty to retreat. It does not change the standard for self-defense. Its not legally correct to say SYG only requires you to be in fear you might be in danger. Florida law requires that you reasonably believe use of deadly force is necessary to prevent imminent death, great bodily harm, or a forcible felony. There are some presumptions that can come into play as far as reasonableness but most deal with castle doctrine type situations or resisting forcible felonies. SYG does not allow you to kill someone because you fear they might hurt you. You have to reasonably believe that you are faced with death, great harm etc. Its hard to get convictions in self-defense cases because the state has to prove that you did not act in self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt in FL.


There's a different level to prove in a self defense. You have to reasonably believe your life could be in danger at that moment

Stand your ground takes out that reasonably and also removes imminent deadly attack . That is way in the Zimmerman case they brought in experts on the danger of someone pushing your head into concert because it was a self defense argument

Thats wrong and a misconception the media portrays. I am a FL prosecutor and have been a defense attorney in the past. SYG does not remove the requirement that you reasonably believe your life is in danger in that moment. SYG only removes the duty to retreat. The sheriff in pinellas has mistated the standard on tv a couple times and taken heat for it.

Stand your ground
“a person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”


Yes it does now you can have stand your ground for great bodily harm to himself or herself or another

That is what happen in this case. The man attacked him but from what I've seen he was still threatening him so he was still in danger of great bodily harm to himself.

That is a different standard than when FL. only had self defense

Its the exact same standard as self defense in FL, you can use deadly force when you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent imminent death, great bodily harm, or the commission of a forcible felony. The only change in the language is about "has no duty to retreat" in section 776.012. The section you cited is titled "justifable use of force" in statute.

Then we are agreeing that with SYG you dont have to met the standards of the old self defense laws. And the self defense laws most states still have. Which does not give you the right to use deadly force for great bodily harm, or the commission of a forcible felony....unless you fear imminent death

SYG you only need to fear great bodily harm to get past the standard
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RE: I have a different take on the Florida Stand your Ground shooting.
(07-24-2018 10:09 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 10:05 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 10:00 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:36 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:09 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  So now we are testing manhood now? Like I said too many times in my posts above. You know exactly what I mean. You can even make assumptions if that makes you feel better. You handle it your away and I will handle it my way.
You have yet to define your way.
Also, check your posts for "I", you use it way too much. Same for Mach.
I guess your going to be waiting a long time for something that you already have the answer to.

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Sorry but you did not answer what your way would be. You left it for others to assume.

So I assume you will act like a brave man and knock the person on his ass then go stand over him and threaten to do it again if he ever says anything to your wife or girlfriend?

I bet your wife and kids will feel a lot better knowing you handled it like a man while they put your body in the ground...

Real man!
That's all you guys on this board do is assume anyway. Why stop now?

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Its you that started the assuming...

you assumed your standard to be a "real man" is the same for everyone. That you must use your hands to protect your family and not your brain.

As I said your wife and kids are really going to say...thank God we had a real man. As they lower you into the ground. Use your f'ing brain and you might not need fist to protect your family
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RE: I have a different take on the Florida Stand your Ground shooting.
(07-24-2018 10:00 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:36 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:09 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 07:49 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 07:44 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  Because you already know the answer. The fact that I have to give details to a man on how to defend his family is really troublesome.

What is concerning is that you can't even define how you are going to "defend" your wife and kids. Getting in the car and leaving is the civilized way to handle it. But since you are a "real man" maybe you can explain how a real man would handle the situation?

So now we are testing manhood now? Like I said too many times in my posts above. You know exactly what I mean. You can even make assumptions if that makes you feel better. You handle it your away and I will handle it my way.
You have yet to define your way.
Also, check your posts for "I", you use it way too much. Same for Mach.
I guess your going to be waiting a long time for something that you already have the answer to.

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You have never answered the question, how would you defend your wife and kids?
WTH is wrong you? It is simple question.
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(07-24-2018 10:13 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 10:02 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 09:52 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 09:33 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 09:13 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  There's a different level to prove in a self defense. You have to reasonably believe your life could be in danger at that moment

Stand your ground takes out that reasonably and also removes imminent deadly attack . That is way in the Zimmerman case they brought in experts on the danger of someone pushing your head into concert because it was a self defense argument

Thats wrong and a misconception the media portrays. I am a FL prosecutor and have been a defense attorney in the past. SYG does not remove the requirement that you reasonably believe your life is in danger in that moment. SYG only removes the duty to retreat. The sheriff in pinellas has mistated the standard on tv a couple times and taken heat for it.

Stand your ground
“a person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”


Yes it does now you can have stand your ground for great bodily harm to himself or herself or another

That is what happen in this case. The man attacked him but from what I've seen he was still threatening him so he was still in danger of great bodily harm to himself.

That is a different standard than when FL. only had self defense

Its the exact same standard as self defense in FL, you can use deadly force when you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent imminent death, great bodily harm, or the commission of a forcible felony. The only change in the language is about "has no duty to retreat" in section 776.012. The section you cited is titled "justifable use of force" in statute.

Then we are agreeing that with SYG you dont have to met the standards of the old self defense laws. And the self defense laws most states still have. Which does not give you the right to use deadly force for great bodily harm, or the commission of a forcible felony....unless you fear imminent death

SYG you only need to fear great bodily harm to get past the standard
I think we've been miscommunicating or misunderstanding each other a little yeah. What i am saying is that SYG did not change the standard for self-defense in Florida other than removing the duty to retreat. Florida self-defense law (for decades at least) allows the use of deadly force when one reasonably believes it is necessary to prevent imminent death, great bodily harm (which is like a fracture or severe injury), or the commission of a forcible felony. SYG did not alter or create that standard is what im saying. Other states may have different standards, but Florida has had that statutory language for self-defense for a very long time.
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(07-24-2018 06:02 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/flo...er-n893646


This is an instance where the media is just going to laser focus on the shooting. When I watched the video I was also “incensed’ “made mad’ that the guy was shot in front of his kids. Other articles I have read said the white guy was looking for a fight.

This whole incident will be framed around who was the aggressor.

Now what if I told you the family was parked in a handicap spot? Does that change your viewpoint. As a one time father of a special needs kid I too get irate when I see someone parking in a handicap spot. That changes the argument. Debate the shooting all you want. Don’t say thee white guy was lookin for a fight. He wasn’t.. he was defending the handicap space.

First, I think it's horrible whenever a life is take. Thinking something is horrible does not mean that it is unjust.

Second, I'm not saying this particular instance was just or unjust. I don't know.

When things like this happen I wish we had more detail. I imagine audio would help greatly. Any pertinent back-stories would help as well.

The first time I saw this it looked like the guy was talking to the lady about being in a handicap spot. Was it any of his business? I don't know.

Then this guy comes out of the store and approaches the scene. Obviously some words were exchanged. One guy pushes the other to the ground.

Was pulling his gun and firing called for? I don't know. Was the physical instigator making verbal threats while the guy was on the ground?

I simply don't have enough details.


My wife apparently learned some of the back-story of the white guy. It seems he had a history of challenging people who wrongly parked in a handicap spot. I think she said he also had pulled a gun on someone during a road rage incident.

That doesn't necessarily matter if he felt in danger of his life at that moment he was pushed to the ground. Was they guy yelling threats at him?

I don't know.


What I do know is that I don't have all the facts and should not rush to judgement. I also know law enforcement is working the case and will have more facts than we do.
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RE: I have a different take on the Florida Stand your Ground shooting.
(07-24-2018 07:08 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 07:03 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 06:55 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
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(07-24-2018 06:28 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Moral of the story don't physically attack someone else. They might out a gun and kill you.
What would you do if someone was yelling at your wife/girlfriend with your kids in the car?

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Ignore them and leave like the vast majority of people do 99.999999999% of the time. What would you do?
Ignore them? Weren't you one of the same group of posters who said they would of beat the crap out of the guy who was yelling at Trumps daughter when she was on the plane with her family? If I see anybody yelling at my wife and kids I will defend them. I will not ignore and continue to let them yell at my family. If he thinks he can yell and get away with it then he is probably going to think he can do more.

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Are you going to answer the question? What are you going to do? You are going to escalate the situation? How are you going to defend your wife and kids? Is driving away a good defense?

absofuqnlutely it is.
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RE: I have a different take on the Florida Stand your Ground shooting.
(07-24-2018 06:02 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/flo...er-n893646


This is an instance where the media is just going to laser focus on the shooting. When I watched the video I was also “incensed’ “made mad’ that the guy was shot in front of his kids. Other articles I have read said the white guy was looking for a fight.

This whole incident will be framed around who was the aggressor.

Now what if I told you the family was parked in a handicap spot? Does that change your viewpoint. As a one time father of a special needs kid I too get irate when I see someone parking in a handicap spot. That changes the argument. Debate the shooting all you want. Don’t say thee white guy was lookin for a fight. He wasn’t.. he was defending the handicap space.

I have a permit to carry concealed but rarely do so outside of my vehicle. This is the very type of thing that keeps me from carrying daily. Im afraid that I might lose my cool and kill someone in a situation that could have been handled differently or simply avoided in the first place. Id hate to have to live with making that kind of mistake.
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RE: I have a different take on the Florida Stand your Ground shooting.
(07-24-2018 10:20 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 10:09 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 10:05 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 10:00 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:36 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  You have yet to define your way.
Also, check your posts for "I", you use it way too much. Same for Mach.
I guess your going to be waiting a long time for something that you already have the answer to.

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Sorry but you did not answer what your way would be. You left it for others to assume.

So I assume you will act like a brave man and knock the person on his ass then go stand over him and threaten to do it again if he ever says anything to your wife or girlfriend?

I bet your wife and kids will feel a lot better knowing you handled it like a man while they put your body in the ground...

Real man!
That's all you guys on this board do is assume anyway. Why stop now?

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Its you that started the assuming...

you assumed your standard to be a "real man" is the same for everyone. That you must use your hands to protect your family and not your brain.

As I said your wife and kids are really going to say...thank God we had a real man. As they lower you into the ground. Use your f'ing brain and you might not need fist to protect your family

No I didn't start assuming anything. Notice I said what I would do. Not once did I say or set any standard for anybody on this board expect for myself.
07-24-2018 11:32 AM
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RE: I have a different take on the Florida Stand your Ground shooting.
(07-24-2018 10:23 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 10:00 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:36 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:09 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 07:49 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  What is concerning is that you can't even define how you are going to "defend" your wife and kids. Getting in the car and leaving is the civilized way to handle it. But since you are a "real man" maybe you can explain how a real man would handle the situation?

So now we are testing manhood now? Like I said too many times in my posts above. You know exactly what I mean. You can even make assumptions if that makes you feel better. You handle it your away and I will handle it my way.
You have yet to define your way.
Also, check your posts for "I", you use it way too much. Same for Mach.
I guess your going to be waiting a long time for something that you already have the answer to.

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You have never answered the question, how would you defend your wife and kids?
WTH is wrong you? It is simple question.

There must me something wrong with me if I keep going back and forth with you. Maybe I just need to stop. You already have the answer.
07-24-2018 11:37 AM
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RE: I have a different take on the Florida Stand your Ground shooting.
(07-24-2018 11:37 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 10:23 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 10:00 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:36 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:09 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  So now we are testing manhood now? Like I said too many times in my posts above. You know exactly what I mean. You can even make assumptions if that makes you feel better. You handle it your away and I will handle it my way.
You have yet to define your way.
Also, check your posts for "I", you use it way too much. Same for Mach.
I guess your going to be waiting a long time for something that you already have the answer to.

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You have never answered the question, how would you defend your wife and kids?
WTH is wrong you? It is simple question.

There must me something wrong with me if I keep going back and forth with you. Maybe I just need to stop. You already have the answer.

Dodging a question you KNOW you havent answered simply means you know the question blows up your point. You can either answer, or the rest of us will simply take it that you are waving the white flag of defeat.
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RE: I have a different take on the Florida Stand your Ground shooting.
(07-24-2018 11:37 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 10:23 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 10:00 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:36 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 08:09 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  So now we are testing manhood now? Like I said too many times in my posts above. You know exactly what I mean. You can even make assumptions if that makes you feel better. You handle it your away and I will handle it my way.
You have yet to define your way.
Also, check your posts for "I", you use it way too much. Same for Mach.
I guess your going to be waiting a long time for something that you already have the answer to.

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You have never answered the question, how would you defend your wife and kids?
WTH is wrong you? It is simple question.

There must me something wrong with me if I keep going back and forth with you. Maybe I just need to stop. You already have the answer.

Can you highlight the answer? Repost the answer.
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RE: I have a different take on the Florida Stand your Ground shooting.
I wouldn't have shot the guy for shoving me...

And

I wouldn't be surprised if I got shot for shoving someone

Maybe I'm not living in the same world
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RE: I have a different take on the Florida Stand your Ground shooting.
(07-24-2018 11:32 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(07-24-2018 06:02 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/flo...er-n893646


This is an instance where the media is just going to laser focus on the shooting. When I watched the video I was also “incensed’ “made mad’ that the guy was shot in front of his kids. Other articles I have read said the white guy was looking for a fight.

This whole incident will be framed around who was the aggressor.

Now what if I told you the family was parked in a handicap spot? Does that change your viewpoint. As a one time father of a special needs kid I too get irate when I see someone parking in a handicap spot. That changes the argument. Debate the shooting all you want. Don’t say thee white guy was lookin for a fight. He wasn’t.. he was defending the handicap space.

I have a permit to carry concealed but rarely do so outside of my vehicle. This is the very type of thing that keeps me from carrying daily. Im afraid that I might lose my cool and kill someone in a situation that could have been handled differently or simply avoided in the first place. Id hate to have to live with making that kind of mistake.

Then I'd say that you aren't training properly.
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