(07-27-2018 07:06 AM)muckdawg24 Wrote:  8-10 Million should be our asking price, otherwise leave Aresco in a dumpster in RH before the offices are relocated to Texas.

I think that is absolute best case...thinking more like $6-8M.

The big question?

Does Aresco throw everything with the Mouse for max exposure or does he piecemeal out parts to maximize revenue?

(07-27-2018 10:08 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 07:06 AM)muckdawg24 Wrote:  8-10 Million should be our asking price, otherwise leave Aresco in a dumpster in RH before the offices are relocated to Texas.

I think that is absolute best case...thinking more like $6-8M.

The big question?

Does Aresco throw everything with the Mouse for max exposure or does he piecemeal out parts to maximize revenue?

The latter. He's indicated as much.

(07-27-2018 10:10 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 10:08 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 07:06 AM)muckdawg24 Wrote:  8-10 Million should be our asking price, otherwise leave Aresco in a dumpster in RH before the offices are relocated to Texas.

I think that is absolute best case...thinking more like $6-8M.

The big question?

Does Aresco throw everything with the Mouse for max exposure or does he piecemeal out parts to maximize revenue?

The latter. He's indicated as much.

It could also be a negotiating tactic...maybe ESPN will provide a new exclusive GOTW slot one of the ESPN platforms sensing they could lose some content.

Disney has been know to grab as much content as possible and either Sit on it, Sell it to another provider or use it to fill ESPN3. However, they actually have more holes to fill in the future and more AAC games can make ESPN/2 or U. ESPNNews IMHO is in its' last year of operation. I expect it will be turned into the ACC Network in 2019. Many ACC games starting in 2019 will be on the new network so there will be holes.

(07-27-2018 10:49 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 10:10 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 10:08 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 07:06 AM)muckdawg24 Wrote:  8-10 Million should be our asking price, otherwise leave Aresco in a dumpster in RH before the offices are relocated to Texas.

I think that is absolute best case...thinking more like $6-8M.

The big question?

Does Aresco throw everything with the Mouse for max exposure or does he piecemeal out parts to maximize revenue?

The latter. He's indicated as much.

It could also be a negotiating tactic...maybe ESPN will provide a new exclusive GOTW slot one of the ESPN platforms sensing they could lose some content.

Disney has been know to grab as much content as possible and either Sit on it, Sell it to another provider or use it to fill ESPN3. However, they actually have more holes to fill in the future and more AAC games can make ESPN/2 or U. ESPNNews IMHO is in its' last year of operation. I expect it will be turned into the ACC Network in 2019. Many ACC games starting in 2019 will be on the new network so there will be holes.

Think of it this way---we actually only fill 20-25 slots on linear TV for ESPN networks. The rest goes to ESPN-3 or CBS-Sports. So, ESPN isnt going to pay much more for the whole package than they would for a smaller 20-25 game package.

NBC woud like 20 games or so to fill in around Notre Dame games and punch up thier Saturday sports offerings. So, I think we maximize the deal by chopping the best games into a pair of packages and let CBS-Sports, NBC, and ESPN bid on them. Once thats done, we release the remaining content and the losing bidder can bid against ESPN-Plus for those rights. Some strategy along those lines is how we maximize our value. Giving ESPN everything and letting them sell off what they dont want for peanuts isnt likely to give us our max value.

(07-27-2018 09:34 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 08:47 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  $56 million per team is what I figuring.

Don't be ridiculous. It's $34.6 Mil per team. Not a penny more, not a penny less.

We only get $36 mil per team then ECU will be looking to move it's highly lucrative football team to another conference, maybe the NFC East Division....

(07-27-2018 11:04 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 09:34 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 08:47 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  $56 million per team is what I figuring.

Don't be ridiculous. It's $34.6 Mil per team. Not a penny more, not a penny less.

We only get $36 mil per team then ECU will be looking to move it's highly lucrative football team to another conference, maybe the NFC East Division....

.....He speaks for all of us.

(07-27-2018 11:03 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 10:49 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 10:10 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 10:08 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 07:06 AM)muckdawg24 Wrote:  8-10 Million should be our asking price, otherwise leave Aresco in a dumpster in RH before the offices are relocated to Texas.

I think that is absolute best case...thinking more like $6-8M.

The big question?

Does Aresco throw everything with the Mouse for max exposure or does he piecemeal out parts to maximize revenue?

The latter. He's indicated as much.

It could also be a negotiating tactic...maybe ESPN will provide a new exclusive GOTW slot one of the ESPN platforms sensing they could lose some content.

Disney has been know to grab as much content as possible and either Sit on it, Sell it to another provider or use it to fill ESPN3. However, they actually have more holes to fill in the future and more AAC games can make ESPN/2 or U. ESPNNews IMHO is in its' last year of operation. I expect it will be turned into the ACC Network in 2019. Many ACC games starting in 2019 will be on the new network so there will be holes.

Think of it this way---we actually only fill 20-25 slots on linear TV for ESPN networks. The rest goes to ESPN-3 or CBS-Sports. So, ESPN isnt going to pay much more for the whole packgge than they would for a smaller 20-25 game package.

NBC woud like 20 games or so to fill in around Notre Dame games and punch up thier Saturday sports offerings. So, I think we maximize the deal by chopping the best games into a air of packages and let CBS-Sports, NBC, and ESPN bid on them. Once thats done, we release the remaining content and the losng bidder can bid against ESPN-Plus for those rights. Some strategy along those lines is how we maximize our value. Giving ESPN everything and letting them sell off what they dont want for peanuts isnt likely to give us our max value.

Agree with this. We will (or should) split the content among three different entities that have all shown interest...ESPN, NBC and CBS Sports Network.

I do think we get more than 25 football games a season on ESPN linear TV. Even 25 games would be less than two per week. Without going through the bother to look it up right now, I would estimate we get at least 35 football games per season on ABC/ESPN linear channels.

(07-27-2018 07:47 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 07:06 AM)muckdawg24 Wrote:  8-10 Million should be our asking price, otherwise leave Aresco in a dumpster in RH before the offices are relocated to Texas.

P6 is at least worth $12M $6M.

FIFY

(07-27-2018 01:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 07:47 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 07:06 AM)muckdawg24 Wrote:  8-10 Million should be our asking price, otherwise leave Aresco in a dumpster in RH before the offices are relocated to Texas.

P6 is at least worth $12M $6M.

FIFY

Easy Hokie Mark. I like you, but that kind of disrespect will get you the NC State treatment. We'll beat you, and then NO ONE ELSE for the rest of the year. Muahahahahaha

Hokie Mark being disrespectful. Don't make me snatch that $2 weave of yours.

Is it time for college football yet?

(07-27-2018 03:01 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Is it time for college football yet?

-3

(07-27-2018 03:08 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 03:01 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Is it time for college football yet?

-3

Seriously, I do wish you guys the best... but when I see people tossing out $15M/yr per school, that's just a HUMONGOUS jump from where you are now.

(07-27-2018 04:11 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 03:08 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 03:01 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Is it time for college football yet?

-3

Seriously, I do wish you guys the best... but when I see people tossing out $15M/yr per school, that's just a HUMONGOUS jump from where you are now.

I am one of the people who puts out numbers around $14 - $15 million per year. BUT...I have never said we will actually get that much. I have said that analysis of the number of TV viewers for AAC football games, compared directly with he number of TV viewers for P5 conferences, indicates that the AAC SHOULD be receiving $14 - $15 million if we were being paid fairly.

A fairly detailed analysis of TV viewership across multiple seasons by a UCF fan (I believe the 2015 and 2016 seasons) shows that when comparing games on the same network and timeslot, the AAC averages between 40% and 70% of the number of viewers that P5 conferences have.

So, even if you take the lowest paid P5 (the ACC) who is believed to be in the low $20 million range (let's assume $22 million)...50% of that is $11 million, and 70% of $22 million is $15.4 million.

(07-26-2018 08:02 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 05:05 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 03:42 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 03:10 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 12:50 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Flagship. 80% of the conference championships.

I don't even remember 2 years ago.

53.33 to be accurate.

I think he mean't UCF and Houston had 80%, but that still isn't accurate with the 2014 split with Cincinnati and Memphis. So UCF and Houston have been a conference champion 4 times and there have been 7 champions crowned. So 57.14% would be more accurate. Or just saying 80% of the time UCF or Houston has won at least a share of the conference title.

I guess, but he uses flagship in the singular after talking about the ofer season.. Anyway, it is a stupid thing to say. The value of the group is more important than one or two singular parts. He needs to think independence to see the real value.

I thought "flagship" was the joke term we used when talking about UConn.

I thought USF was the flagship. UCF has no ship.

(07-27-2018 09:07 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 04:11 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 03:08 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 03:01 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Is it time for college football yet?

-3

Seriously, I do wish you guys the best... but when I see people tossing out $15M/yr per school, that's just a HUMONGOUS jump from where you are now.

I am one of the people who puts out numbers around $14 - $15 million per year. BUT...I have never said we will actually get that much. I have said that analysis of the number of TV viewers for AAC football games, compared directly with he number of TV viewers for P5 conferences, indicates that the AAC SHOULD be receiving $14 - $15 million if we were being paid fairly.

A fairly detailed analysis of TV viewership across multiple seasons by a UCF fan (I believe the 2015 and 2016 seasons) shows that when comparing games on the same network and timeslot, the AAC averages between 40% and 70% of the number of viewers that P5 conferences have.

So, even if you take the lowest paid P5 (the ACC) who is believed to be in the low $20 million range (let's assume $22 million)...50% of that is $11 million, and 70% of $22 million is $15.4 million.

Yep, I totally get that. The ACC's TV numbers are 3rd best and about 80% of the SEC... why doesn't the ACC get 80% of what they get? Why not at least more than the Big XII and the Pac-12? It is what it is.

(07-27-2018 04:11 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 03:08 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 03:01 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Is it time for college football yet?

-3

Seriously, I do wish you guys the best... but when I see people tossing out $15M/yr per school, that's just a HUMONGOUS jump from where you are now.

I think it is very easy to overstate the importance of "where you are now."
The current AAC deal is a measure of the value / perceived value of the yet-to-be-named, dead-man-walking conference of 2013, which in addition to having no assurance of survival, had no track record of ratings on on-field performance.

It will have some bearing - it is an anchor that Aresco and negotiators have to drag to the table.
But as much as the negotiators on the other side will want that to be the starting point it should be easily eclipsed by the five years' worth of numbers. (So long as we have a competitive bidding environment with multiple buyers.)

(07-27-2018 02:06 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 01:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 07:47 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 07:06 AM)muckdawg24 Wrote:  8-10 Million should be our asking price, otherwise leave Aresco in a dumpster in RH before the offices are relocated to Texas.

P6 is at least worth $12M $6M.

FIFY

Easy Hokie Mark. I like you, but that kind of disrespect will get you the NC State treatment. We'll beat you, and then NO ONE ELSE for the rest of the year. Muahahahahaha

Any year we beat VT is a good year. Love playing the Hokies!

(07-28-2018 09:21 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 02:06 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 01:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 07:47 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 07:06 AM)muckdawg24 Wrote:  8-10 Million should be our asking price, otherwise leave Aresco in a dumpster in RH before the offices are relocated to Texas.

P6 is at least worth $12M $6M.

FIFY

Easy Hokie Mark. I like you, but that kind of disrespect will get you the NC State treatment. We'll beat you, and then NO ONE ELSE for the rest of the year. Muahahahahaha

Any year we beat VT is a good year. Love playing the Hokies!

Don't read this HokieMark...but VTech is overrated this year. I still think they'll beat ECU by 14 pts.

(07-28-2018 11:41 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-28-2018 09:21 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 02:06 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 01:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-27-2018 07:47 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  P6 is at least worth $12M $6M.

FIFY

Easy Hokie Mark. I like you, but that kind of disrespect will get you the NC State treatment. We'll beat you, and then NO ONE ELSE for the rest of the year. Muahahahahaha

Any year we beat VT is a good year. Love playing the Hokies!

Don't read this HokieMark...but VTech is overrated this year. I still think they'll beat ECU by 14 pts.

Last year was a pretty good game for Pirate fans who left after the 1st quarter.
ECU 17 VT 7
4th quarter... not so pretty.