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Should illegal aliens have the right to vote as an AMERICAN Citizen does?
http://video.foxnews.com/v/5811090863001...show-clips

Vote for school board and have a hand in budgets along with hiring and firing policies.

If “living in” an area why not vote for city council? County Board? Eventually state and Federal elections?

If there is a concern about foreign influence of elections how is allowing illegal aliens to vote significantly different?
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RE: Should illegal aliens have the right to vote as an AMERICAN Citizen does?
Plain and simply. It's all about destroying the US and remaking it into part of global utopian/socialist type society. Destroy its borders,history, culture, political system, etc.
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(07-19-2018 08:45 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Plain and simply. It's all about destroying the US and remaking it into part of global utopian/socialist type society. Destroy its borders,history, culture, political system, etc.

Evidence?
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(07-19-2018 09:59 AM)gobaseline Wrote:  
(07-19-2018 08:45 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Plain and simply. It's all about destroying the US and remaking it into part of global utopian/socialist type society. Destroy its borders,history, culture, political system, etc.

Evidence?

Bernie sanders... and all his followers
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(07-19-2018 09:59 AM)gobaseline Wrote:  
(07-19-2018 08:45 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Plain and simply. It's all about destroying the US and remaking it into part of global utopian/socialist type society. Destroy its borders,history, culture, political system, etc.

Evidence?

https://socialistpartyusa.net/platform
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RE: Should illegal aliens have the right to vote as an AMERICAN Citizen does?
Easy answer: NO
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(07-19-2018 11:35 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(07-19-2018 09:59 AM)gobaseline Wrote:  
(07-19-2018 08:45 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Plain and simply. It's all about destroying the US and remaking it into part of global utopian/socialist type society. Destroy its borders,history, culture, political system, etc.

Evidence?

https://socialistpartyusa.net/platform

OK, that’s the socialist party USA.

I might be incorrect but who runs the government of the cities of Portland and San Francisco who are advocating for illegal alien voting rights as expressed in this article ?

I understand the socialists have their platform. It’s front and center with no apologies.
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(07-19-2018 08:45 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Plain and simply. It's all about destroying the US and remaking it into part of global utopian/socialist type society. Destroy its borders,history, culture, political system, etc.

“Destroy its borders, history, culture, political system, etc.”

Ironically, exactly what the U.S. did to North American indigenous nations.
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(07-19-2018 09:05 PM)Dirty Ernie Wrote:  
(07-19-2018 08:45 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Plain and simply. It's all about destroying the US and remaking it into part of global utopian/socialist type society. Destroy its borders,history, culture, political system, etc.

“Destroy its borders, history, culture, political system, etc.”

Ironically, exactly what the U.S. did to North American indigenous nations.

I understand your point.

Wasn’t one done from the outside while currently one could argue that it is being done from the inside?
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(07-19-2018 11:22 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  
(07-19-2018 09:05 PM)Dirty Ernie Wrote:  
(07-19-2018 08:45 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Plain and simply. It's all about destroying the US and remaking it into part of global utopian/socialist type society. Destroy its borders,history, culture, political system, etc.

“Destroy its borders, history, culture, political system, etc.”

Ironically, exactly what the U.S. did to North American indigenous nations.

I understand your point.

Wasn’t one done from the outside while currently one could argue that it is being done from the inside?

Well the historical thing with Natives agreements were reached, then altered, refined, etc. so Natives bought in to an extent and then got screwed from a place of weakness. But that's a different story. Outside in.

I'd support a view if the "socialist" thing, like Bernie asks for universal health care, low cost higher ed, etc.....if that is "inside" then it is just one of the many permutations of American thought. There is a wide spectrum of course toward both ends. But Bernie asks for things that not many find to be bad ideas, it's more the way the money is distributed that is at issue. But we have no problem bailing out Wall Street for instance, white collar crime, the swamp etc. military/industrial complex, the prison system etc. all are bloated and wasteful as well. So pick your poison I guess.
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(07-19-2018 11:53 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  Easy answer: NO

I may be the most liberal and Democrat on this board - but I agree with GRB.
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RE: Should illegal aliens have the right to vote as an AMERICAN Citizen does?
You can argue whatever you want, a USA without border controls won't be the USA for very long. It will be a poorer, less law-abiding and more violent nation. The only ones who want that are the Dems, because poor immigrants vote 90% Democrat.

If you want an America following California down the tubes, vote to get rid of ICE. Within a generation it will destroy this country.
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(07-19-2018 09:05 PM)Dirty Ernie Wrote:  
(07-19-2018 08:45 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Plain and simply. It's all about destroying the US and remaking it into part of global utopian/socialist type society. Destroy its borders,history, culture, political system, etc.

“Destroy its borders, history, culture, political system, etc.”

Ironically, exactly what the U.S. did to North American indigenous nations.


All was not love and peace before the white man showed up, much as many advocates of Native Americans profess. Native Americans have not been treated fairly in our history, but let's allow there was a lot of war and violence before we europeans ever showed up.
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(07-20-2018 10:16 AM)Dirty Ernie Wrote:  
(07-19-2018 11:22 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  
(07-19-2018 09:05 PM)Dirty Ernie Wrote:  
(07-19-2018 08:45 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Plain and simply. It's all about destroying the US and remaking it into part of global utopian/socialist type society. Destroy its borders,history, culture, political system, etc.

“Destroy its borders, history, culture, political system, etc.”

Ironically, exactly what the U.S. did to North American indigenous nations.

I understand your point.

Wasn’t one done from the outside while currently one could argue that it is being done from the inside?

Well the historical thing with Natives agreements were reached, then altered, refined, etc. so Natives bought in to an extent and then got screwed from a place of weakness. But that's a different story. Outside in.

I'd support a view if the "socialist" thing, like Bernie asks for universal health care, low cost higher ed, etc.....if that is "inside" then it is just one of the many permutations of American thought. There is a wide spectrum of course toward both ends. But Bernie asks for things that not many find to be bad ideas, it's more the way the money is distributed that is at issue. But we have no problem bailing out Wall Street for instance, white collar crime, the swamp etc. military/industrial complex, the prison system etc. all are bloated and wasteful as well. So pick your poison I guess.

04-cheers His Dirtiness rocks!! 04-rock Thanks for posting this, Ernie.
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(08-22-2018 08:40 PM)Whinny1 Wrote:  
(07-20-2018 10:16 AM)Dirty Ernie Wrote:  
(07-19-2018 11:22 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  
(07-19-2018 09:05 PM)Dirty Ernie Wrote:  
(07-19-2018 08:45 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Plain and simply. It's all about destroying the US and remaking it into part of global utopian/socialist type society. Destroy its borders,history, culture, political system, etc.

“Destroy its borders, history, culture, political system, etc.”

Ironically, exactly what the U.S. did to North American indigenous nations.

I understand your point.

Wasn’t one done from the outside while currently one could argue that it is being done from the inside?

Well the historical thing with Natives agreements were reached, then altered, refined, etc. so Natives bought in to an extent and then got screwed from a place of weakness. But that's a different story. Outside in.

I'd support a view if the "socialist" thing, like Bernie asks for universal health care, low cost higher ed, etc.....if that is "inside" then it is just one of the many permutations of American thought. There is a wide spectrum of course toward both ends. But Bernie asks for things that not many find to be bad ideas, it's more the way the money is distributed that is at issue. But we have no problem bailing out Wall Street for instance, white collar crime, the swamp etc. military/industrial complex, the prison system etc. all are bloated and wasteful as well. So pick your poison I guess.

04-cheers His Dirtiness rocks!! 04-rock Thanks for posting this, Ernie.

I love our "hippies" on this board, but we shouldn't allow them to vote either. Lol.
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(07-19-2018 09:05 PM)Dirty Ernie Wrote:  
(07-19-2018 08:45 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Plain and simply. It's all about destroying the US and remaking it into part of global utopian/socialist type society. Destroy its borders,history, culture, political system, etc.

“Destroy its borders, history, culture, political system, etc.”

Ironically, exactly what the U.S. did to North American indigenous nations.

Ironically, Indian Removal Act-Andrew Jackson, founder of the Democratic Party.
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RE: Should illegal aliens have the right to vote as an AMERICAN Citizen does?
No. And the same goes for folks in prison. You go to jail, you give up your right to vote.

Once you are released or paroled, welcome back to society.
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(07-19-2018 08:32 AM)gobaseline Wrote:  http://video.foxnews.com/v/5811090863001...show-clips

Vote for school board and have a hand in budgets along with hiring and firing policies.

If “living in” an area why not vote for city council? County Board? Eventually state and Federal elections?

If there is a concern about foreign influence of elections how is allowing illegal aliens to vote significantly different?

I would say of course not on a federal level. Because citizenship (SS #) is on a federal level. Therefore, it's not so easy to go "one thing leads to another", thankfully.

I can see voting for school board if their kids are going to said school, because they are on the list in the school. If they shouldn't be voting, their kids shouldn't be going to the school -- so until you should 100% say they shouldn't have a vote on school board, ya gotta draw the line for their kids not being able to go to school there. It's just a by-product of that.

City council? I would say no. A local village, I could see an argument there as one being a country citizen or not but living there for a while, being an actual Part of it all. Kind of like living in what was an abandoned house for X years, it becomes yours even though you shouldn't have claimed it as your stay in the first place. So I can see being part of a village after X years, having a say, as IF you have been living there, like it or not, they are a part of it. So I can Understand that argument, especially when it doesn't mean hardly anything anyway - lol.

But a City? No. But then again, a city can set their rules any way they want, technically I guess. I would say a firewall should be set for anything state-related.
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(08-25-2018 04:21 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  
(07-19-2018 08:32 AM)gobaseline Wrote:  http://video.foxnews.com/v/5811090863001...show-clips

Vote for school board and have a hand in budgets along with hiring and firing policies.

If “living in” an area why not vote for city council? County Board? Eventually state and Federal elections?

If there is a concern about foreign influence of elections how is allowing illegal aliens to vote significantly different?

I would say of course not on a federal level. Because citizenship (SS #) is on a federal level. Therefore, it's not so easy to go "one thing leads to another", thankfully.

I can see voting for school board if their kids are going to said school, because they are on the list in the school. If they shouldn't be voting, their kids shouldn't be going to the school -- so until you should 100% say they shouldn't have a vote on school board, ya gotta draw the line for their kids not being able to go to school there. It's just a by-product of that.

City council? I would say no. A local village, I could see an argument there as one being a country citizen or not but living there for a while, being an actual Part of it all. Kind of like living in what was an abandoned house for X years, it becomes yours even though you shouldn't have claimed it as your stay in the first place. So I can see being part of a village after X years, having a say, as IF you have been living there, like it or not, they are a part of it. So I can Understand that argument, especially when it doesn't mean hardly anything anyway - lol.

But a City? No. But then again, a city can set their rules any way they want, technically I guess. I would say a firewall should be set for anything state-related.

Federal laws trumps State/local laws. Look at the supremacy clause of the Constitution. It is the Supreme Law of the Land. You can see why there is a push to rewrite it. Illegal is illegal.
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(07-21-2018 11:47 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  You can argue whatever you want, a USA without border controls won't be the USA for very long. It will be a poorer, less law-abiding and more violent nation.

Couldn't disagree more. Immigration (legal and illegal) is quite literally what made this country what it is became in 1776 and what remains of it today.

I'm not suggesting we have open borders, but your statements are factually incorrect:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk...4a31101ec5

Native-born citizens of this country are far more of a threat than illegal/undocumented immigrants across the board. That has been proven many times over. You should branch out beyond Faux News.
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