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(08-26-2018 12:53 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(07-21-2018 11:47 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  You can argue whatever you want, a USA without border controls won't be the USA for very long. It will be a poorer, less law-abiding and more violent nation.

Couldn't disagree more. Immigration (legal and illegal) is quite literally what made this country what it is became in 1776 and what remains of it today.

I'm not suggesting we have open borders, but your statements are factually incorrect:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk...4a31101ec5

Native-born citizens of this country are far more of a threat than illegal/undocumented immigrants across the board. That has been proven many times over. You should branch out beyond Faux News.

Unfortunately, CNN, MSNBC, and the major networks are just as "Faux," but to the other extreme. It is almost impossible to get news that is not openly and crudely politically biased anymore.

I don't want political opinion. I want straight news with no spin from wing-nuts on the left, or right extremes.

And if illegal aliens currently living in this great country are willing to do what it takes to become LEGAL citizens of then I am all for them voting...AFTER, they have become legal. To do otherwise is to allow them to cut-in-line in front of those who respect our laws enough to become citizens through our legally established process.

(07-19-2018 09:05 PM)Dirty Ernie Wrote:  

(07-19-2018 08:45 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Plain and simply. It's all about destroying the US and remaking it into part of global utopian/socialist type society. Destroy its borders,history, culture, political system, etc.

“Destroy its borders, history, culture, political system, etc.”

Ironically, exactly what the U.S. did to North American indigenous nations.

Well, if you have studied North American indigenous culture...they were doing that to themselves pretty effectively. They were brutal to each other. Doesn't make what we did to them any better (we were awful), but let's not make them seem like a bunch of lovely huggy-bears.

(08-26-2018 12:53 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(07-21-2018 11:47 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  You can argue whatever you want, a USA without border controls won't be the USA for very long. It will be a poorer, less law-abiding and more violent nation.

Couldn't disagree more. Immigration (legal and illegal) is quite literally what made this country what it is became in 1776 and what remains of it today.

I'm not suggesting we have open borders, but your statements are factually incorrect:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk...4a31101ec5

Native-born citizens of this country are far more of a threat than illegal/undocumented immigrants across the board. That has been proven many times over. You should branch out beyond Faux News.

It's additional crime. Unnecessary crime. Like Mollie Tibbetts' murder.
Conjecture:If US Citizens were responsible for 8,000 gun murders a year and illegals 300. It's still an extra 300 murders that don't need to be. Also drug trafficking by illegals effects US citizen crime rates. Don't buy into stupidity over common sense.

(08-26-2018 01:17 PM)GullLake Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 12:53 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(07-21-2018 11:47 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  You can argue whatever you want, a USA without border controls won't be the USA for very long. It will be a poorer, less law-abiding and more violent nation.

Couldn't disagree more. Immigration (legal and illegal) is quite literally what made this country what it is became in 1776 and what remains of it today.

I'm not suggesting we have open borders, but your statements are factually incorrect:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk...4a31101ec5

Native-born citizens of this country are far more of a threat than illegal/undocumented immigrants across the board. That has been proven many times over. You should branch out beyond Faux News.

Unfortunately, CNN, MSNBC, and the major networks are just as "Faux," but to the other extreme. It is almost impossible to get news that is not openly and crudely politically biased anymore.

Not true. Fox News is entertainment billed as news. The others are actually widely considered broadcast journalism (Pulitzer, Emmy, etc.). NPR is probably the widely respected/unbiased of them all. But Faux News is not in the same category. They admit this themselves.

(08-26-2018 01:26 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 12:53 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(07-21-2018 11:47 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  You can argue whatever you want, a USA without border controls won't be the USA for very long. It will be a poorer, less law-abiding and more violent nation.

Couldn't disagree more. Immigration (legal and illegal) is quite literally what made this country what it is became in 1776 and what remains of it today.

I'm not suggesting we have open borders, but your statements are factually incorrect:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk...4a31101ec5

Native-born citizens of this country are far more of a threat than illegal/undocumented immigrants across the board. That has been proven many times over. You should branch out beyond Faux News.

It's additional crime. Unnecessary crime. Like Mollie Tibbetts' murder.
Conjecture:If US Citizens were responsible for 8,000 gun murders a year and illegals 300. It's still an extra 300 murders that don't need to be. Also drug trafficking by illegals effects US citizen crime rates. Don't buy into stupidity over common sense.

So that justifies ignoring all the rest? Makes sense.

(08-26-2018 01:56 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 01:17 PM)GullLake Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 12:53 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(07-21-2018 11:47 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  You can argue whatever you want, a USA without border controls won't be the USA for very long. It will be a poorer, less law-abiding and more violent nation.

Couldn't disagree more. Immigration (legal and illegal) is quite literally what made this country what it is became in 1776 and what remains of it today.

I'm not suggesting we have open borders, but your statements are factually incorrect:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk...4a31101ec5

Native-born citizens of this country are far more of a threat than illegal/undocumented immigrants across the board. That has been proven many times over. You should branch out beyond Faux News.

Unfortunately, CNN, MSNBC, and the major networks are just as "Faux," but to the other extreme. It is almost impossible to get news that is not openly and crudely politically biased anymore.

Not true. Fox News is entertainment billed as news. The others are actually widely considered broadcast journalism (Pulitzer, Emmy, etc.). NPR is probably the widely respected/unbiased of them all. But Faux News is not in the same category. They admit this themselves.

You think that because you happen to agree with the left-leaning spin, my friend. To think NPR, and the others, are balanced and objective is to have you nose deep in Democrat talking points. Likewise to those who think Fox is balanced and objective.

Put yourself in another man's shoes and seek truth, not simply justification for your own established views.

The GOP and Democrat Parties do much more harm than good.

(08-26-2018 06:17 PM)GullLake Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 01:56 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 01:17 PM)GullLake Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 12:53 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(07-21-2018 11:47 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  You can argue whatever you want, a USA without border controls won't be the USA for very long. It will be a poorer, less law-abiding and more violent nation.

Couldn't disagree more. Immigration (legal and illegal) is quite literally what made this country what it is became in 1776 and what remains of it today.

I'm not suggesting we have open borders, but your statements are factually incorrect:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk...4a31101ec5

Native-born citizens of this country are far more of a threat than illegal/undocumented immigrants across the board. That has been proven many times over. You should branch out beyond Faux News.

Unfortunately, CNN, MSNBC, and the major networks are just as "Faux," but to the other extreme. It is almost impossible to get news that is not openly and crudely politically biased anymore.

Not true. Fox News is entertainment billed as news. The others are actually widely considered broadcast journalism (Pulitzer, Emmy, etc.). NPR is probably the widely respected/unbiased of them all. But Faux News is not in the same category. They admit this themselves.

You think that because you happen to agree with the left-leaning spin, my friend. To think NPR, and the others, are balanced and objective is to have you nose deep in Democrat talking points. Likewise to those who think Fox is balanced and objective.

Put yourself in another man's shoes and seek truth, not simply justification for your own established views.

The GOP and Democrat Parties do much more harm than good.

Doesn't matter what I think. The truth is that Fox is entertainment (not journalism). It's quite sad how quickly a portion of the country has been brainwashed into not being able to think for themselves.

I watch liberal leaning news channels frequently and often roll my eyes. I consider myself smart enough to know when something is factual vs. sensationalized vs. spin. Everyone else should be able to do the same. It's called independent thought.

(08-26-2018 07:43 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 06:17 PM)GullLake Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 01:56 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 01:17 PM)GullLake Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 12:53 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Couldn't disagree more. Immigration (legal and illegal) is quite literally what made this country what it is became in 1776 and what remains of it today.

I'm not suggesting we have open borders, but your statements are factually incorrect:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk...4a31101ec5

Native-born citizens of this country are far more of a threat than illegal/undocumented immigrants across the board. That has been proven many times over. You should branch out beyond Faux News.

Unfortunately, CNN, MSNBC, and the major networks are just as "Faux," but to the other extreme. It is almost impossible to get news that is not openly and crudely politically biased anymore.

Not true. Fox News is entertainment billed as news. The others are actually widely considered broadcast journalism (Pulitzer, Emmy, etc.). NPR is probably the widely respected/unbiased of them all. But Faux News is not in the same category. They admit this themselves.

You think that because you happen to agree with the left-leaning spin, my friend. To think NPR, and the others, are balanced and objective is to have you nose deep in Democrat talking points. Likewise to those who think Fox is balanced and objective.

Put yourself in another man's shoes and seek truth, not simply justification for your own established views.

The GOP and Democrat Parties do much more harm than good.

Doesn't matter what I think. The truth is that Fox is entertainment (not journalism). It's quite sad how quickly a portion of the country has been brainwashed into not being able to think for themselves.

I watch liberal leaning news channels frequently and often roll my eyes. I consider myself smart enough to know when something is factual vs. sensationalized vs. spin. Everyone else should be able to do the same. It's called independent thought.

I don't have a problem with Bret Baier or Sheppard Smith. Their reporting seems as credible as any of their competitors.

(08-26-2018 01:21 PM)GullLake Wrote:  

(07-19-2018 09:05 PM)Dirty Ernie Wrote:  

(07-19-2018 08:45 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Plain and simply. It's all about destroying the US and remaking it into part of global utopian/socialist type society. Destroy its borders,history, culture, political system, etc.

“Destroy its borders, history, culture, political system, etc.”

Ironically, exactly what the U.S. did to North American indigenous nations.

Well, if you have studied North American indigenous culture...they were doing that to themselves pretty effectively. They were brutal to each other. Doesn't make what we did to them any better (we were awful), but let's not make them seem like a bunch of lovely huggy-bears.

I've studied North American indigenous culture and I disagree emphatically with this bs. The idea that Native Americans were destroying themselves pretty effectively is no more true of their societies than it would be for any other society in the history of the world. Of course there was brutality, but North American native societies would be doing just fine today if Europe never came to their shores.

How is indigenous warfare any different than the legacy of centuries of warfare in Europe?

Quote:but North American native societies would be doing just fine today if Europe never came to their shores.

And if my aunt had a ***** she'd be my uncle. So what? It is what it is, you can't put the genie back into the bottle. You can't turn America back into gitchigumie with teepee's adorning the river banks.

By the way, 99% of native tribes from north and south America who died in the 1400's and 1500's died because of diseases brought by the initial european settlers, not by violence. It's a myth they were slaughtered in wars.

Indian tribes didn't have a lot of the domesticated animals like swine, sheep, chickens, etc.. who propagate infectious diseases-that's what gave Europeans their immunity to those diseases. Indians had no such immunity and consequently died by the millions from measles, small pox, influenza, etc..

But there was payback, some scientists believe Europeans first contracted syphilis from native american hotties. Until then it was unknown in Europe. That was the great 'Columbian Exchange' in diseases.