(07-18-2018 03:33 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 01:52 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 12:47 AM)Shox Wrote:  

(07-17-2018 05:27 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  You also have to wonder if this is the end of GNAC football - all that is left is Simon Fraser, Central Washington, Western Oregon, and Azusa Pacific.

Azusa Pacific is probably the only realistic Division I candidate and would be a lock for a Big Sky affiliate (if not full member) given their location.

Central Washington needs to add sports to get up to the Division I minimum, even with football, despite having an enrollment similar to FCS schools.

Western Oregon doesn’t have enough students to make the jump, and would still need one sport.

Simon Fraser is in Canada, so Division I is a non-starter.

The other option is to become the western division of the RMAC.

Makes complete sense for AP to follow Cal Baptist to DI and head to the WAC. They are pretty loyal to that football program though, would the Big Sky take that program? It would give everybody at least two games in California most years. WOU should look at NAIA with the other NW directionals and Simon Fraser is completely screwed. CWU could possibly pull off DI assuming the Big Sky takes them. Maybe they could work out an affialete deal with the RMAC.

Could see APU to the WAC, but football will either be cut or parked in Pioneer/Big Sky

Couldn't Humboldt State follow Bakersfield's footsteps and join the WAC, and put football in the Pioneer League???

APU could follow Cal Baptist to the WAC, and put football in the Pioneer League also...

The WAC wouldn't want HBSU. The WAC needs large metro areas for easy travel.

(07-18-2018 03:33 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 01:52 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 12:47 AM)Shox Wrote:  

(07-17-2018 05:27 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  You also have to wonder if this is the end of GNAC football - all that is left is Simon Fraser, Central Washington, Western Oregon, and Azusa Pacific.

Azusa Pacific is probably the only realistic Division I candidate and would be a lock for a Big Sky affiliate (if not full member) given their location.

Central Washington needs to add sports to get up to the Division I minimum, even with football, despite having an enrollment similar to FCS schools.

Western Oregon doesn’t have enough students to make the jump, and would still need one sport.

Simon Fraser is in Canada, so Division I is a non-starter.

The other option is to become the western division of the RMAC.

Makes complete sense for AP to follow Cal Baptist to DI and head to the WAC. They are pretty loyal to that football program though, would the Big Sky take that program? It would give everybody at least two games in California most years. WOU should look at NAIA with the other NW directionals and Simon Fraser is completely screwed. CWU could possibly pull off DI assuming the Big Sky takes them. Maybe they could work out an affialete deal with the RMAC.

Could see APU to the WAC, but football will either be cut or parked in Pioneer/Big Sky

Couldn't Humboldt State follow Bakersfield's footsteps and join the WAC, and put football in the Pioneer League???

APU could follow Cal Baptist to the WAC, and put football in the Pioneer League also...

Nails are in the coffin for Humbolt football. Moving to D1 would just increase their overall athletic expenses and make football even more unsustainable. If travelling to Washington, Oregon, and BC were straining the budget, adding even more states to that mix would make it worse. Azusa needs to either find a backup conference in D2 to park football in case the GNAC drops it or beg the WAC/Pioneer or Big Sky for an invite.

(07-18-2018 01:52 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  Could see APU to the WAC, but football will either be cut or parked in Pioneer/Big Sky

I am not sure what APU think about this. Football is sort of on a limb, as nobody is close (Humbodlt State was not close either 10hours 41 minute drive, 669 miles away in a remote town along the far north coast of California near literally nothing); Dixie State 365 miles away is the closest football school. Maybe the RMAC makes sense for football if they play Dixie, NM Highlands, and some Colorado schools, which are all closer than the other GNAC schools.

The GNAC schedule was set up playing every school home and home for 8 games, and 2 OOC games. But at this point for Football I think the GNAC schools should join the RNAC. 15 is unwieldy, but everyone could get 8 conference games. It's the same problem the Big Sky has in the West, no schools to play out of conference.

As for moving up to D1, Azusa has a $3-4m less athletic budget than Cal Baptist, which doesn't even have football and who will be increasing their budget a few millions to play at the D1 level. Although both schools have similar student bodies sizes (APU 5,259 and CBU 5,878) the schools are in entirely different financial situations, with APU the worse off of the two. Realistically they would probably need to spend at least $1200-1500 more per student to move up to D1 and that is hard to justify without campus growth. Student loan load is already rather heavy ($50m in student and parent loans ), so upping fees is probably not a good idea.

CBU was just much further along financially, athletically and in growth than APU, which is why they moved up. I'd like to see APU follow them, but it's not easy to see where the money would come from without some strong growth in the student body size.

How many members playing a sport does a DII conference need to be considered a sponsor? I know the DI minimums, but I haven't found anything about DII.

(07-18-2018 04:24 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 03:33 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 01:52 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 12:47 AM)Shox Wrote:  

(07-17-2018 05:27 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  You also have to wonder if this is the end of GNAC football - all that is left is Simon Fraser, Central Washington, Western Oregon, and Azusa Pacific.

Azusa Pacific is probably the only realistic Division I candidate and would be a lock for a Big Sky affiliate (if not full member) given their location.

Central Washington needs to add sports to get up to the Division I minimum, even with football, despite having an enrollment similar to FCS schools.

Western Oregon doesn’t have enough students to make the jump, and would still need one sport.

Simon Fraser is in Canada, so Division I is a non-starter.

The other option is to become the western division of the RMAC.

Makes complete sense for AP to follow Cal Baptist to DI and head to the WAC. They are pretty loyal to that football program though, would the Big Sky take that program? It would give everybody at least two games in California most years. WOU should look at NAIA with the other NW directionals and Simon Fraser is completely screwed. CWU could possibly pull off DI assuming the Big Sky takes them. Maybe they could work out an affialete deal with the RMAC.

Could see APU to the WAC, but football will either be cut or parked in Pioneer/Big Sky

Couldn't Humboldt State follow Bakersfield's footsteps and join the WAC, and put football in the Pioneer League???

APU could follow Cal Baptist to the WAC, and put football in the Pioneer League also...

Humboldt State has struggled financially to keep football. I can't see the solution being a move up to Division 1 joining the WAC and send all of their teams to Kansas City, Chicago, Orem, Edinburg and Las Cruces every year. The travel expenses would shoot up way too much. They couldn't afford to do that

My idea is much better to keep cost down. GNAC football gets a waiver to just send football to the D1 level just for the one sport. Big Sky would be north. WAC football would be the Big Sky football south.

WAC football Big Sky South:
Humboldt State
Azusa Pacific WAC full member
UC-Davis
Cal. Poly, SLO
Sacramento State
Dixie State (WAC full member)
Southern Utah
Northern Arizona
West Texas A&M WAC full member
CSU-Peublo WAC full member

Bg Sky North members:
Western Oregon
Portland State
Central Washington
Eastern Washington
Simon Fraser (wants to move their men's hockey to D1)
Idaho
Idaho State
Weber State
Montana
Montana State
Northern Colorado
Colorado Mesa

Could move Weber State to the south to make it 11 and 11. Humboldt's only long distance would be West Texas A&M. Humboldt State could play Azusa Pacific, Sacramento State, UC-Davis, Cal. Poly, UNR, UNLV, Dixie State, Southern Utah, Fresno State, San Diego State, California, USC, Stanford, U. of San Diego, Arizona, Arizona State, Northern Arizona, New Mexico and UCLA. GNAC do have more options at the D1 FCS for OOC games. Playing bodybag games against P5 opponents could give them more extra cash that they do not get when they are in D2. The GNAC schools now could play D1 opponents since they would count towards football opponents.

CWU could moved the rugby as a varsity sports and their games are shown on NBC Sports network. They could add women's hockey as varsity sports and women's wrestling. They are not really that far behind on sports since they offered 12. Adding the 2 women's sports and the rugby team would bring them to 15. Bring it to 16 with women's beach volleyball as well.

So, you see how the GNAC could work with both the Big Sky and WAC to create a cooperation on football. It could ease the D2 schools to move up all of their sports to D1. If you see the D2 landscape? They are too far apart to play football right to cut the cost down on travel expense. We need more schools out west to restart or add football instead of dropping it.

(07-18-2018 05:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 04:24 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 03:33 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 01:52 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 12:47 AM)Shox Wrote:  Makes complete sense for AP to follow Cal Baptist to DI and head to the WAC. They are pretty loyal to that football program though, would the Big Sky take that program? It would give everybody at least two games in California most years. WOU should look at NAIA with the other NW directionals and Simon Fraser is completely screwed. CWU could possibly pull off DI assuming the Big Sky takes them. Maybe they could work out an affialete deal with the RMAC.

Could see APU to the WAC, but football will either be cut or parked in Pioneer/Big Sky

Couldn't Humboldt State follow Bakersfield's footsteps and join the WAC, and put football in the Pioneer League???

APU could follow Cal Baptist to the WAC, and put football in the Pioneer League also...

Humboldt State has struggled financially to keep football. I can't see the solution being a move up to Division 1 joining the WAC and send all of their teams to Kansas City, Chicago, Orem, Edinburg and Las Cruces every year. The travel expenses would shoot up way too much. They couldn't afford to do that

My idea is much better to keep cost down. GNAC football gets a waiver to just send football to the D1 level just for the one sport. Big Sky would be north. WAC football would be the Big Sky football south.

WAC football Big Sky South:
Humboldt State
Azusa Pacific WAC full member
UC-Davis
Cal. Poly, SLO
Sacramento State
Dixie State (WAC full member)
Southern Utah
Northern Arizona
West Texas A&M WAC full member
CSU-Peublo WAC full member

Bg Sky North members:
Western Oregon
Portland State
Central Washington
Eastern Washington
Simon Fraser (wants to move their men's hockey to D1)
Idaho
Idaho State
Weber State
Montana
Montana State
Northern Colorado
Colorado Mesa

Could move Weber State to the south to make it 11 and 11. Humboldt's only long distance would be West Texas A&M. Humboldt State could play Azusa Pacific, Sacramento State, UC-Davis, Cal. Poly, UNR, UNLV, Dixie State, Southern Utah, Fresno State, San Diego State, California, USC, Stanford, U. of San Diego, Arizona, Arizona State, Northern Arizona, New Mexico and UCLA. GNAC do have more options at the D1 FCS for OOC games. Playing bodybag games against P5 opponents could give them more extra cash that they do not get when they are in D2. The GNAC schools now could play D1 opponents since they would count towards football opponents.

CWU could moved the rugby as a varsity sports and their games are shown on NBC Sports network. They could add women's hockey as varsity sports and women's wrestling. They are not really that far behind on sports since they offered 12. Adding the 2 women's sports and the rugby team would bring them to 15. Bring it to 16 with women's beach volleyball as well.

So, you see how the GNAC could work with both the Big Sky and WAC to create a cooperation on football. It could ease the D2 schools to move up all of their sports to D1. If you see the D2 landscape? They are too far apart to play football right to cut the cost down on travel expense. We need more schools out west to restart or add football instead of dropping it.

How many people do you think would show up to see a Humboldt State - West Texas AM football game? Five or six?

Hint: As always I appreciate your initiative, but this is shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic.

(07-18-2018 06:14 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 05:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 04:24 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 03:33 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 01:52 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  Could see APU to the WAC, but football will either be cut or parked in Pioneer/Big Sky

Couldn't Humboldt State follow Bakersfield's footsteps and join the WAC, and put football in the Pioneer League???

APU could follow Cal Baptist to the WAC, and put football in the Pioneer League also...

Humboldt State has struggled financially to keep football. I can't see the solution being a move up to Division 1 joining the WAC and send all of their teams to Kansas City, Chicago, Orem, Edinburg and Las Cruces every year. The travel expenses would shoot up way too much. They couldn't afford to do that

My idea is much better to keep cost down. GNAC football gets a waiver to just send football to the D1 level just for the one sport. Big Sky would be north. WAC football would be the Big Sky football south.

WAC football Big Sky South:
Humboldt State
Azusa Pacific WAC full member
UC-Davis
Cal. Poly, SLO
Sacramento State
Dixie State (WAC full member)
Southern Utah
Northern Arizona
West Texas A&M WAC full member
CSU-Peublo WAC full member

Bg Sky North members:
Western Oregon
Portland State
Central Washington
Eastern Washington
Simon Fraser (wants to move their men's hockey to D1)
Idaho
Idaho State
Weber State
Montana
Montana State
Northern Colorado
Colorado Mesa

Could move Weber State to the south to make it 11 and 11. Humboldt's only long distance would be West Texas A&M. Humboldt State could play Azusa Pacific, Sacramento State, UC-Davis, Cal. Poly, UNR, UNLV, Dixie State, Southern Utah, Fresno State, San Diego State, California, USC, Stanford, U. of San Diego, Arizona, Arizona State, Northern Arizona, New Mexico and UCLA. GNAC do have more options at the D1 FCS for OOC games. Playing bodybag games against P5 opponents could give them more extra cash that they do not get when they are in D2. The GNAC schools now could play D1 opponents since they would count towards football opponents.

CWU could moved the rugby as a varsity sports and their games are shown on NBC Sports network. They could add women's hockey as varsity sports and women's wrestling. They are not really that far behind on sports since they offered 12. Adding the 2 women's sports and the rugby team would bring them to 15. Bring it to 16 with women's beach volleyball as well.

So, you see how the GNAC could work with both the Big Sky and WAC to create a cooperation on football. It could ease the D2 schools to move up all of their sports to D1. If you see the D2 landscape? They are too far apart to play football right to cut the cost down on travel expense. We need more schools out west to restart or add football instead of dropping it.

How many people do you think would show up to see a Humboldt State - West Texas AM football game? Five or six?

Hint: As always I appreciate your initiative, but this is shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic.

West Texas A&M's football stadium held over 22,500 for a 20,,000 seat stadium. That was a game against Eastern New Mexico. Have them play against new Mexico State, New Mexico, Air Force, UTEP, Texas Tech or UTSA? The fans could be at the 25,000 mark. West Texas A&M's long time rivals are New Mexico, New Mexico State, UTEP and Texas Tech. Arizona, Arizona State and Northern Arizona were also rivals in all sports. West Texas A&M have been a long time D1 school before they moved down to D2. Most of the schools near them are either in NAIA, D3 or D1. Mainly D1 schools are closer to them. Having them joining the WAC would give New Mexico State a much closer travel partner.

My points and ideas is about how to save colleges sports, mainly football. Too many people said we should get rid of schools from D1 and FBS. As I see it, we have way short of FBS, FCS and schools with football at all levels. When you start losing schools dropping sports? It could hurt the FBS P5 schools in the long run. Not even the money that they get from tv contracts will cover all the costs on travel. Fans are cord cutting as is, conferences are stretched too far where fans stay home and so forth. We need to get rid of conferences and go by regions.

(07-18-2018 04:56 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  How many members playing a sport does a DII conference need to be considered a sponsor? I know the DI minimums, but I haven't found anything about DII.

It varies based on conference rules. Some require 6 while others will sponsor a sport with 4 teams. The NCAA awards AQ status at 6 teams. D2 football does not use the AQ format, instead it uses an earned access formula and don't ask me to explain that mess.

(07-18-2018 05:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  ...

Here we go with the waivers again combined with troll-worthy total silliness.

(07-18-2018 08:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 06:14 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  How many people do you think would show up to see a Humboldt State - West Texas AM football game? Five or six?

Hint: As always I appreciate your initiative, but this is shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic.

West Texas A&M's football stadium held over 22,500 for a 20,,000 seat stadium. That was a game against Eastern New Mexico.

Eastern NM and WTAM are about 100 miles apart.

Humboldt and WTAM are about 1700 miles apart. That's right, One Thousand Seven Hundred Miles apart.

I say the game would draw 5 people.

IMO, there are too many FBS schools soaking their kids with fees. Probably should only be about 75-80 FBS schools.

(07-18-2018 08:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 06:14 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 05:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 04:24 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 03:33 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  Couldn't Humboldt State follow Bakersfield's footsteps and join the WAC, and put football in the Pioneer League???

APU could follow Cal Baptist to the WAC, and put football in the Pioneer League also...

Humboldt State has struggled financially to keep football. I can't see the solution being a move up to Division 1 joining the WAC and send all of their teams to Kansas City, Chicago, Orem, Edinburg and Las Cruces every year. The travel expenses would shoot up way too much. They couldn't afford to do that

My idea is much better to keep cost down. GNAC football gets a waiver to just send football to the D1 level just for the one sport. Big Sky would be north. WAC football would be the Big Sky football south.

WAC football Big Sky South:
Humboldt State
Azusa Pacific WAC full member
UC-Davis
Cal. Poly, SLO
Sacramento State
Dixie State (WAC full member)
Southern Utah
Northern Arizona
West Texas A&M WAC full member
CSU-Peublo WAC full member

Bg Sky North members:
Western Oregon
Portland State
Central Washington
Eastern Washington
Simon Fraser (wants to move their men's hockey to D1)
Idaho
Idaho State
Weber State
Montana
Montana State
Northern Colorado
Colorado Mesa

Could move Weber State to the south to make it 11 and 11. Humboldt's only long distance would be West Texas A&M. Humboldt State could play Azusa Pacific, Sacramento State, UC-Davis, Cal. Poly, UNR, UNLV, Dixie State, Southern Utah, Fresno State, San Diego State, California, USC, Stanford, U. of San Diego, Arizona, Arizona State, Northern Arizona, New Mexico and UCLA. GNAC do have more options at the D1 FCS for OOC games. Playing bodybag games against P5 opponents could give them more extra cash that they do not get when they are in D2. The GNAC schools now could play D1 opponents since they would count towards football opponents.

CWU could moved the rugby as a varsity sports and their games are shown on NBC Sports network. They could add women's hockey as varsity sports and women's wrestling. They are not really that far behind on sports since they offered 12. Adding the 2 women's sports and the rugby team would bring them to 15. Bring it to 16 with women's beach volleyball as well.

So, you see how the GNAC could work with both the Big Sky and WAC to create a cooperation on football. It could ease the D2 schools to move up all of their sports to D1. If you see the D2 landscape? They are too far apart to play football right to cut the cost down on travel expense. We need more schools out west to restart or add football instead of dropping it.

How many people do you think would show up to see a Humboldt State - West Texas AM football game? Five or six?

Hint: As always I appreciate your initiative, but this is shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic.

West Texas A&M's football stadium held over 22,500 for a 20,,000 seat stadium. That was a game against Eastern New Mexico. Have them play against new Mexico State, New Mexico, Air Force, UTEP, Texas Tech or UTSA? The fans could be at the 25,000 mark. West Texas A&M's long time rivals are New Mexico, New Mexico State, UTEP and Texas Tech. Arizona, Arizona State and Northern Arizona were also rivals in all sports. West Texas A&M have been a long time D1 school before they moved down to D2. Most of the schools near them are either in NAIA, D3 or D1. Mainly D1 schools are closer to them. Having them joining the WAC would give New Mexico State a much closer travel partner.

My points and ideas is about how to save colleges sports, mainly football. Too many people said we should get rid of schools from D1 and FBS. As I see it, we have way short of FBS, FCS and schools with football at all levels. When you start losing schools dropping sports? It could hurt the FBS P5 schools in the long run. Not even the money that they get from tv contracts will cover all the costs on travel. Fans are cord cutting as is, conferences are stretched too far where fans stay home and so forth. We need to get rid of conferences and go by regions.

Two Points:
1. WTAMU and Eastern New Mexico are also in the same conference. If Humbolt traveled to Canyon they wouldn't make noise. They only averaged 6,300 a game last season and Humbolt wouldn't have increased that number.

2.If the entire G5 left FBS I would bet that the P5 would be absolutely fine. Flooding D1 with more schools reduces conference revenue splits and causes schools to compensate (which includes dropping sports) to balance a budget.

(07-18-2018 03:33 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 01:52 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 12:47 AM)Shox Wrote:  

(07-17-2018 05:27 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  You also have to wonder if this is the end of GNAC football - all that is left is Simon Fraser, Central Washington, Western Oregon, and Azusa Pacific.

Azusa Pacific is probably the only realistic Division I candidate and would be a lock for a Big Sky affiliate (if not full member) given their location.

Central Washington needs to add sports to get up to the Division I minimum, even with football, despite having an enrollment similar to FCS schools.

Western Oregon doesn’t have enough students to make the jump, and would still need one sport.

Simon Fraser is in Canada, so Division I is a non-starter.

The other option is to become the western division of the RMAC.

Makes complete sense for AP to follow Cal Baptist to DI and head to the WAC. They are pretty loyal to that football program though, would the Big Sky take that program? It would give everybody at least two games in California most years. WOU should look at NAIA with the other NW directionals and Simon Fraser is completely screwed. CWU could possibly pull off DI assuming the Big Sky takes them. Maybe they could work out an affialete deal with the RMAC.

Could see APU to the WAC, but football will either be cut or parked in Pioneer/Big Sky

Couldn't Humboldt State follow Bakersfield's footsteps and join the WAC, and put football in the Pioneer League???

APU could follow Cal Baptist to the WAC, and put football in the Pioneer League also...

Guess not with Humboldt, they chose to axe it. Don’t see how a lot of the small schools keep it going.


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(07-18-2018 05:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 04:24 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 03:33 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 01:52 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 12:47 AM)Shox Wrote:  Makes complete sense for AP to follow Cal Baptist to DI and head to the WAC. They are pretty loyal to that football program though, would the Big Sky take that program? It would give everybody at least two games in California most years. WOU should look at NAIA with the other NW directionals and Simon Fraser is completely screwed. CWU could possibly pull off DI assuming the Big Sky takes them. Maybe they could work out an affialete deal with the RMAC.

Could see APU to the WAC, but football will either be cut or parked in Pioneer/Big Sky

Couldn't Humboldt State follow Bakersfield's footsteps and join the WAC, and put football in the Pioneer League???

APU could follow Cal Baptist to the WAC, and put football in the Pioneer League also...

Humboldt State has struggled financially to keep football. I can't see the solution being a move up to Division 1 joining the WAC and send all of their teams to Kansas City, Chicago, Orem, Edinburg and Las Cruces every year. The travel expenses would shoot up way too much. They couldn't afford to do that

My idea is much better to keep cost down. GNAC football gets a waiver to just send football to the D1 level just for the one sport. Big Sky would be north. WAC football would be the Big Sky football south.

WAC football Big Sky South:
Humboldt State
Azusa Pacific WAC full member
UC-Davis
Cal. Poly, SLO
Sacramento State
Dixie State (WAC full member)
Southern Utah
Northern Arizona
West Texas A&M WAC full member
CSU-Peublo WAC full member

Bg Sky North members:
Western Oregon
Portland State
Central Washington
Eastern Washington
Simon Fraser (wants to move their men's hockey to D1)
Idaho
Idaho State
Weber State
Montana
Montana State
Northern Colorado
Colorado Mesa

Could move Weber State to the south to make it 11 and 11. Humboldt's only long distance would be West Texas A&M. Humboldt State could play Azusa Pacific, Sacramento State, UC-Davis, Cal. Poly, UNR, UNLV, Dixie State, Southern Utah, Fresno State, San Diego State, California, USC, Stanford, U. of San Diego, Arizona, Arizona State, Northern Arizona, New Mexico and UCLA. GNAC do have more options at the D1 FCS for OOC games. Playing bodybag games against P5 opponents could give them more extra cash that they do not get when they are in D2. The GNAC schools now could play D1 opponents since they would count towards football opponents.

CWU could moved the rugby as a varsity sports and their games are shown on NBC Sports network. They could add women's hockey as varsity sports and women's wrestling. They are not really that far behind on sports since they offered 12. Adding the 2 women's sports and the rugby team would bring them to 15. Bring it to 16 with women's beach volleyball as well.

So, you see how the GNAC could work with both the Big Sky and WAC to create a cooperation on football. It could ease the D2 schools to move up all of their sports to D1. If you see the D2 landscape? They are too far apart to play football right to cut the cost down on travel expense. We need more schools out west to restart or add football instead of dropping it.

Just why would the Big Sky want to clutter up a very good FCS conference with all of that refuse? Colorado Mesa, c’mon man. I lived in GJ and they are more than content with D2, and have absolutely no desire and/or the means to move up. And they are one of the better ones you mentioned.


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(07-17-2018 04:20 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  This will be the last season:

https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2018/jul/17...18-season/

(07-18-2018 10:53 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 05:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 04:24 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 03:33 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 01:52 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  Could see APU to the WAC, but football will either be cut or parked in Pioneer/Big Sky

Couldn't Humboldt State follow Bakersfield's footsteps and join the WAC, and put football in the Pioneer League???

APU could follow Cal Baptist to the WAC, and put football in the Pioneer League also...

Humboldt State has struggled financially to keep football. I can't see the solution being a move up to Division 1 joining the WAC and send all of their teams to Kansas City, Chicago, Orem, Edinburg and Las Cruces every year. The travel expenses would shoot up way too much. They couldn't afford to do that

My idea is much better to keep cost down. GNAC football gets a waiver to just send football to the D1 level just for the one sport. Big Sky would be north. WAC football would be the Big Sky football south.

WAC football Big Sky South:
Humboldt State
Azusa Pacific WAC full member
UC-Davis
Cal. Poly, SLO
Sacramento State
Dixie State (WAC full member)
Southern Utah
Northern Arizona
West Texas A&M WAC full member
CSU-Peublo WAC full member

Bg Sky North members:
Western Oregon
Portland State
Central Washington
Eastern Washington
Simon Fraser (wants to move their men's hockey to D1)
Idaho
Idaho State
Weber State
Montana
Montana State
Northern Colorado
Colorado Mesa

Could move Weber State to the south to make it 11 and 11. Humboldt's only long distance would be West Texas A&M. Humboldt State could play Azusa Pacific, Sacramento State, UC-Davis, Cal. Poly, UNR, UNLV, Dixie State, Southern Utah, Fresno State, San Diego State, California, USC, Stanford, U. of San Diego, Arizona, Arizona State, Northern Arizona, New Mexico and UCLA. GNAC do have more options at the D1 FCS for OOC games. Playing bodybag games against P5 opponents could give them more extra cash that they do not get when they are in D2. The GNAC schools now could play D1 opponents since they would count towards football opponents.

CWU could moved the rugby as a varsity sports and their games are shown on NBC Sports network. They could add women's hockey as varsity sports and women's wrestling. They are not really that far behind on sports since they offered 12. Adding the 2 women's sports and the rugby team would bring them to 15. Bring it to 16 with women's beach volleyball as well.

So, you see how the GNAC could work with both the Big Sky and WAC to create a cooperation on football. It could ease the D2 schools to move up all of their sports to D1. If you see the D2 landscape? They are too far apart to play football right to cut the cost down on travel expense. We need more schools out west to restart or add football instead of dropping it.

Just why would the Big Sky want to clutter up a very good FCS conference with all of that refuse? Colorado Mesa, c’mon man. I lived in GJ and they are more than content with D2, and have absolutely no desire and/or the means to move up. And they are one of the better ones you mentioned.


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One, the schools I mentioned would be competitive in the Big Sky and the WAC. Central Washington is nothing to sneezed at. I remember they almost upset Eastern Washington a few years ago. That would give Eastern Washington an instate rival that they need. Same with Western Oregon and Portland State. The GNAC football and men's basketball are ahead of several Big Sky schools in strength.
Colorado Mesa and CSU-Peublo are top football programs in D2. Lets not kid outselves here. Northern kentucky said they are content to be in D2, and said they would stay there for a long time, but the next year, they accepted an invite to join D1. Mesa and Central Washington fits in their foot print for Big Sky.
All these D2 schools only give lip service, and the next thing you know, they accept an invite to join D1 in a heartbeat.

Humboldt St can’t afford to keep up with CWU, which has an invite to go DI in 2020 according to its President. This board seems to ignore knock on effects. Humboldt raised 300 k out of 500 k to continue football, but that wasn’t enough with greater travel expenses coming up. Humboldt has been stuck at 8k enrollment for generations, too small a public for DI, and they only will have like 10 sports now. The DI hurdle would have been more like a pole vault.

CWU, APU and Dixie St to the depleted Big Sky in 2020 or after. APU is actually eligible for DI in 2020. W Oregon can get fb games with S Oregon, W Oregon, and College of Idaho, as they not that different in athletic financials regardless of NAIA or DII status.

When did the Big Sky get depleted?

(07-19-2018 10:17 AM)NoDak Wrote:  Humboldt St can’t afford to keep up with CWU, which has an invite to go DI in 2020 according to its President. This board seems to ignore knock on effects. Humboldt raised 300 k out of 500 k to continue football, but that wasn’t enough with greater travel expenses coming up. Humboldt has been stuck at 8k enrollment for generations, too small a public for DI, and they only will have like 10 sports now. The DI hurdle would have been more like a pole vault.

CWU, APU and Dixie St to the depleted Big Sky in 2020 or after. APU is actually eligible for DI in 2020. W Oregon can get fb games with S Oregon, W Oregon, and College of Idaho, as they not that different in athletic financials regardless of NAIA or DII status.

Yes, CWU has a DI invite, according to a sole Twitter post, one that supposedly exists but isn't even linked. Solid evidence.

You avoided answering before, but when your new drop-dead date (August 30?) comes and passes without any "Great Northern"-related announcements, what's your plan? Just move everything up a year? C'mon, level with us.

(07-19-2018 10:44 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  When did the Big Sky get depleted?

NoDak speaks as if his Great Northern fantasy has already happened.

(07-19-2018 10:44 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  When did the Big Sky get depleted?

That's after the defection of Montana, Montana State, Idaho, and [insert flavor of the week school here] to the Summit/Great Northern, of course. Don't pretend you didn't know...

(07-19-2018 10:51 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(07-19-2018 10:17 AM)NoDak Wrote:  Humboldt St can’t afford to keep up with CWU, which has an invite to go DI in 2020 according to its President. This board seems to ignore knock on effects. Humboldt raised 300 k out of 500 k to continue football, but that wasn’t enough with greater travel expenses coming up. Humboldt has been stuck at 8k enrollment for generations, too small a public for DI, and they only will have like 10 sports now. The DI hurdle would have been more like a pole vault.

CWU, APU and Dixie St to the depleted Big Sky in 2020 or after. APU is actually eligible for DI in 2020. W Oregon can get fb games with S Oregon, W Oregon, and College of Idaho, as they not that different in athletic financials regardless of NAIA or DII status.

Yes, CWU has a DI invite, according to a sole Twitter post, one that supposedly exists but isn't even linked. Solid evidence.

You avoided answering before, but when your new drop-dead date (August 30?) comes and passes without any "Great Northern"-related announcements, what's your plan? Just move everything up a year? C'mon, level with us.

I’ll quit posting if it doesn’t happen by the end of August.

You’ll eat crow for a month when it does.