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(07-17-2018 12:17 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They had copies..... exact same thing.


Linky?

Source?

You know this, how? Leaky Homeys “word”? Lulz
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(07-17-2018 12:29 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  He specifically said this was "an act of war."

Does anybody on here agree that this qualifies as an act of war?

Anybody?


1:20 mark
Quote:And they did this so they could attempt to swing our elections. That is an act of war. And if we had a Democrat in the White House right now we would have a cabinet that's dealing with this.
- Tom Perez, Chairman, DNC


Yup, the left actually itching for and pushing for a war with Russia.

Think Frankenlurch Warner said something similar. Good plan.

Scary times with these unhinged leftists.
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RE: Hey Tom, About That Server
(07-17-2018 12:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(07-17-2018 12:38 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  
(07-17-2018 12:17 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They had copies..... exact same thing.

If a copy is the exact same thing, then why not just hand over the original and remove all doubt?

Glad to know all my $100 bill copies are the 'exact same thing.' Im rich!!!!

And if the FBI raided your house and confiscated all your $100 bill copies, I doubt they'd be interested in confiscating your machine, especially if you told them it had been disabled and you gave them a computer file to prove it. Case closed.
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(07-17-2018 12:32 PM)Crebman Wrote:  
(07-17-2018 12:18 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-17-2018 12:17 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They had copies..... exact same thing.

But how do they PROVE that the copies are the exact same thing?

I get that it is certainly possible to prove that they COULD HAVE made a true and faithful and exact copy. But that doesn't prove that they DID do so. How do you prove that they DID do so?

One would think that if they were true and exact copies there wouldn't be any earthly reason not to turn them over to the FBI to look at again..................now, if there were some things on there that weren't part of the copy - well, I guess they wouldn't want that to come to light or maybe it's the hidden info they don't want getting out............

Just thinking logically here.....

This is pretty common practice actually. In the event of a breach you make copies of the original hard drives and send them to who needs them. In my line of work we send a copy to the FBI and to as many 3rd party forensics companies as required. It is not uncommon for the FBI to return their copies to us unopened after receiving a report from our forensics companies. This should come as no surprise to anyone, but the private sector can attract much better talent than the FBI so they tend to rely on their analysis at least in the limited scope that my industry sees.

Something tells me that unlike what we do with our originals, which is to put them in a vault, I bet that the DNC data is long gone.
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(07-17-2018 12:52 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(07-17-2018 12:17 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They had copies..... exact same thing.


Linky?

Source?

You know this, how? Leaky Homeys “word”? Lulz

The FBI does have disk images. I will grant that they have those. I will try to pull up a link to that effect. I'm pretty sure Snopes addresses this; I seem to remember having this same discussion previously elsewhere where I asserted that the FBI had *no* access to anything. I also seem to remember that the Snopes entry here satisfied me that the disk images were provided.
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RE: Hey Tom, About That Server
(07-17-2018 01:07 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  
(07-17-2018 12:32 PM)Crebman Wrote:  
(07-17-2018 12:18 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-17-2018 12:17 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They had copies..... exact same thing.

But how do they PROVE that the copies are the exact same thing?

I get that it is certainly possible to prove that they COULD HAVE made a true and faithful and exact copy. But that doesn't prove that they DID do so. How do you prove that they DID do so?

One would think that if they were true and exact copies there wouldn't be any earthly reason not to turn them over to the FBI to look at again..................now, if there were some things on there that weren't part of the copy - well, I guess they wouldn't want that to come to light or maybe it's the hidden info they don't want getting out............

Just thinking logically here.....

This is pretty common practice actually. In the event of a breach you make copies of the original hard drives and send them to who needs them. In my line of work we send a copy to the FBI and to as many 3rd party forensics companies as required. It is not uncommon for the FBI to return their copies to us unopened after receiving a report from our forensics companies. This should come as no surprise to anyone, but the private sector can attract much better talent than the FBI so they tend to rely on their analysis at least in the limited scope that my industry sees.

Something tells me that unlike what we do with our originals, which is to put them in a vault, I bet that the DNC data is long gone.

Doesnt address the problem of their use as evidence, though.
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RE: Hey Tom, About That Server
(07-17-2018 01:11 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(07-17-2018 12:52 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(07-17-2018 12:17 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They had copies..... exact same thing.


Linky?

Source?

You know this, how? Leaky Homeys “word”? Lulz

The FBI does have disk images. I will grant that they have those. I will try to pull up a link to that effect. I'm pretty sure Snopes addresses this; I seem to remember having this same discussion previously elsewhere where I asserted that the FBI had *no* access to anything. I also seem to remember that the Snopes entry here satisfied me that the disk images were provided.

Were you satisfied when snopes said that John Kerry had made a deal with Syria, and Syria had gotten rid of all of their chemical weapons?
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Nothing different than requiring the original birth certificate or getting papers notarized.........TO ENSURE THEIR AUTHENTICITY.
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(07-17-2018 01:18 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(07-17-2018 01:11 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(07-17-2018 12:52 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(07-17-2018 12:17 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They had copies..... exact same thing.


Linky?

Source?

You know this, how? Leaky Homeys “word”? Lulz

The FBI does have disk images. I will grant that they have those. I will try to pull up a link to that effect. I'm pretty sure Snopes addresses this; I seem to remember having this same discussion previously elsewhere where I asserted that the FBI had *no* access to anything. I also seem to remember that the Snopes entry here satisfied me that the disk images were provided.

Were you satisfied when snopes said that John Kerry had made a deal with Syria, and Syria had gotten rid of all of their chemical weapons?

Irrelevant. I am satisfied that the FBI was provided disk images. That is the question.

Let me be specific. I dont give a **** what Snopes *says*, I care about primary sources that they list and collate for access.

I suggest go to snopes, look at the cites there. If you have a problem with *those* cites, come back and give us a book report why dont you. Or dont, and just thrash and charge ahead blindly. No skin off my back. Your choice, free country, and all that jazz.....
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(07-17-2018 12:17 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They had copies..... exact same thing.

how do you know that the meta data from those servers were actually copied? Thats the problem.
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(07-17-2018 02:18 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(07-17-2018 12:17 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They had copies..... exact same thing.

how do you know that the meta data from those servers were actually copied? Thats the problem.



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(07-17-2018 12:17 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They had copies..... exact same thing.

Legally speaking???
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Whats the odds the "expert" company mentioned above is MUH CROWDSTRIKE?
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(07-17-2018 12:38 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  
(07-17-2018 12:17 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They had copies..... exact same thing.
If a copy is the exact same thing, then why not just hand over the original and remove all doubt?

At this point, even handing over the originals would not solve the problem. It’s been two years, who knows what’s been done to them, and what kind of custody chain do we have?
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(07-17-2018 12:38 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  
(07-17-2018 12:17 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They had copies..... exact same thing.
If a copy is the exact same thing, then why not just hand over the original and remove all doubt?

Creating copies and handing them over is common practice. But here’s the problem—in order to be admissible in evidence, there must be controls over the copying process to ensure that the copies are true and accurate and complete. One of those controls is that the party making the copies is competent and independent. This usually means that either law enforcement takes custody and makes the copies, or as Tanq suggests, more commonly an independent third party makes the copies.

That’s the problem. CrowdStrike is not independent with respect to the DNC. That taints any copies that they made without independent outside verification. I’ve seen no indication that verification was performed by anyone, and a year and a half later it would be impossible to perform verification. I don’t see a way to resolve it.
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(07-17-2018 02:56 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(07-17-2018 12:17 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They had copies..... exact same thing.
Legally speaking???

PROVE that it is the exact same thing.
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(07-17-2018 12:17 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They had copies..... exact same thing.

Try that in court—especially after the chain of custody has been broken—-but the Dems keep trying to sell that lie.
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(07-17-2018 05:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-17-2018 02:56 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(07-17-2018 12:17 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They had copies..... exact same thing.
Legally speaking???

PROVE that it is the exact same thing.

Without an encrypted tamperproof key I can assure you copies are not the same thing.
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Even in simple matters like a persons DD214 agencies ask for the original and then THEY make copies of it. They will not accept copies. So much more in a matter as important as this investigation. If Mula accepts it you'll know that something stinks to high heaven.
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RE: Hey Tom, About That Server
(07-17-2018 05:41 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-17-2018 12:38 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  
(07-17-2018 12:17 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They had copies..... exact same thing.
If a copy is the exact same thing, then why not just hand over the original and remove all doubt?

Creating copies and handing them over is common practice. But here’s the problem—in order to be admissible in evidence, there must be controls over the copying process to ensure that the copies are true and accurate and complete. One of those controls is that the party making the copies is competent and independent. This usually means that either law enforcement takes custody and makes the copies, or as Tanq suggests, more commonly an independent third party makes the copies.

That’s the problem. CrowdStrike is not independent with respect to the DNC. That taints any copies that they made without independent outside verification. I’ve seen no indication that verification was performed by anyone, and a year and a half later it would be impossible to perform verification. I don’t see a way to resolve it.

Either my field is very specific (credit card data) or most people don't understand how third party it forensic investigation works. If we suspect a breach we first inform the FBI and the card brands. If there is enough evidence that card data was compromised we have to hire a forensic company. CrowdStrike is one we have used in the past. While we pay the bill these companies are not loyal to us at all. Their reputation and future income depends on reporting facts and nothing more, and while we have been fortunate enough to have never been implicated in a breach they have burned others at the stake

My point being, I don't see a company like CrowdStrike risking their reputation by doing some underhanded schit.
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