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RE: 2013 Louisville players sue NCAA to get title back
(07-11-2018 05:52 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I hope this moves NCAA policy some. I despise vacating wins/titles/etc. I am not against punishing, but I hate it when they pretend events did not happen. If a team won, even with cheaters, it still won. Punish the school, maybe significantly, but do not mess with the historical stats.

Note: If they force a school to take down a banner, I won't complain. Don't have them publish incorrect win/title numbers though. Just a pet peeve of mine and had been one for a long time.

Yeah. The win/loss is pretty stupid unless its something like a clearly ineligible player (I'm reminded of Texas Southern having a band with substantial numbers of non-students). But taking titles it a good penalty.
07-12-2018 10:16 PM
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RE: 2013 Louisville players sue NCAA to get title back
(07-11-2018 08:17 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-11-2018 07:31 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  
(07-11-2018 05:36 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(07-11-2018 04:46 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-11-2018 04:29 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Between Rick Pitino, Tom Jurich, the University of Louisville, Adidas and, now, these former players, how many lawsuits are currently ongoing that relates to UL Men's Basketball?

With Papa John's racism the cherry on top...

And let's not even mention the fact that the university itself is falling apart.

The board is suing its former President.

The governor dismissed its entire board two years ago, and lawsuits went back and forth for over who actually controlled the school.

The school nearly lost its accreditation in December 2017.

No wonder nearly its entire interim leadership team left for other universities.

You get your info from TMZ right?

TMZ has a pretty good accuracy rate.

I don't know about TMZ, but the Chronicle of Higher Education has a pretty good accuracy rate. Some articles since 2016:


Litany of Controversies Leads to Calls for Louisville’s President to Resign

As U. of Louisville’s President Steps Down, Kentucky Governor Seeks to Upend Its Board

In Leadership Fight at U. of Louisville, Uncertainty Reigns

The Legal Settlement That Helped Put the U. of Louisville’s Board in Limbo

Baylor and U. of Louisville Get Heat From Accreditor

3 Questions About the U. of Louisville’s Immediate Future

Accrediting Body Adds Two More Potential Violations For U of L

SACS: “sufficient factual information” U of L violating accreditation - from the U of L student newspaper

It’s Been a Terrible 2 Years for the University of Louisville

U. of Louisville Sues Former President Over Misuse of Foundation Funds



And here's a newer one from 2018 that I completely missed (although to be fair, a lot of schools are getting these sorts of headlines now):
Student Accuses College of Retaliation Over His Complaint of Professor’s Sexual Misconduct
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07-13-2018 08:58 AM
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RE: 2013 Louisville players sue NCAA to get title back
(07-11-2018 08:16 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-11-2018 06:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-11-2018 05:52 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I hope this moves NCAA policy some. I despise vacating wins/titles/etc. I am not against punishing, but I hate it when they pretend events did not happen. If a team won, even with cheaters, it still won. Punish the school, maybe significantly, but do not mess with the historical stats.

Note: If they force a school to take down a banner, I won't complain. Don't have them publish incorrect win/title numbers though. Just a pet peeve of mine and had been one for a long time.

So just for example, if you were playing poker with someone for pretty big stakes and they beat you, then you found out the next day that they had cheated, if the tournament organizer contacted you about returning your money you lost, you would say thanks but no thanks and be OK with the cheater keeping the money because, well, you can't pretend his win didn't happen, right?

Personally, I think "vacating" titles is a great idea. It takes back the "ill-gotten gains", it hits the program where it really hurts, its legacy. Those who say "vacating is silly, means nothing, taking away scholarships is much tougher punishment" are wrong. The whole reason you pass out scholarships is in hope of winning. That's what vacating directly hits.

E.g., UofL took pride in having 3 national titles. Now it's back to 2. That hurts, and that's why the players are suing - because it hurts.

Bingo!

Hear, here!

They don't take away players' rings or t-shirts. They aim to take away the pride of winning - pride that was false to begin with.
07-13-2018 09:04 AM
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All this will pass. Louisville will be more than fine.
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