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Heckuva game. Maybe the best I've seen a Starkey team play in person.

In Lurken year, they had great wins at Florida Gulf Coast and Ohio. Ohio and Buffalo games here were good that year, but both games were toss-ups by that point in season. This was unexpected and and convincing.

For one night, they looked like a championship team.

Somebody told me after the game that they thought Miami had lost its at-large bid because of the game. You think so?

Miami and Buffalo play at Buffalo on Saturday. Definitely root for Miami.
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Who knows about at large bids? I think that’s especially true on the women’s side where they worry about attendance during the first 3 or 4 rounds. Yes I am still not over Maine (and Stephen King) getting the bid over Kent that year.

I thought by benching Dingle and Carter Starkey was making a point to both of them to quit playing iso ball and start taking what the other team is giving you. Carter forcing that shot at the end of the Ohio game when Golden and I think Thall were wide open probably was the final straw for Starkey. They will probably revert at times but they need to keep being reminded.
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I think that it is becoming apparent that we have a keeper at the helm.
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(02-28-2019 01:19 PM)GFlash68 Wrote:  I think that it is becoming apparent that we have a keeper at the helm.

But do we have a stayer?
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That is always the relevant question when you have a keeper.
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They couldn’t hit threes. They couldn’t make lay ups (at least 6). They missed plenty of free throws (7/18 as of now). Other than that they played well. Pathetic performance. I think they had more air balls on their threes than made ones. With all that they are down 10 with one minute left.
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Lost 62-49. Here comes the 6 or 7 seed.
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The better teams drive to create for their teammates. When we play well we do this. Today we drove to score every time and BG contested without fouling most every time. There are very few extra passes. There is a difference also in firing up quick shots and finding your shooters in rhythm within the offense. On a day like today some of the "shooters" needed to stop shooting.....maybe start driving and kicking?
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The Stroh Center has been an absolute hell hole for our basketball teams since it opened its doors.
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(03-02-2019 05:24 PM)Flashtastic123 Wrote:  The better teams drive to create for their teammates. When we play well we do this. Today we drove to score every time and BG contested without fouling most every time. There are very few extra passes. There is a difference also in firing up quick shots and finding your shooters in rhythm within the offense. On a day like today some of the "shooters" needed to stop shooting.....maybe start driving and kicking?

I agree. I’m beginning to worry about our point guard play. Dingle plays out of control way too much. Starkey has been cutting her minutes and even when she is playing Carter has been bringing the ball up and setting up the offense (although she too can have spurts of out of control). Modkins is okay in short spurts but at 5’0” she can’t become the starter no matter how quick she is. I can understand the 3 point shooters having a bad night, even an occasional free throw fiasco but the degree of difficulty on our 2 point shots can be ridiculous. We don’t miss layups because we are bad shooters. We miss them because they are almost impossible or because we are moving at 100mph when we shoot them. Slow the pace down. The other teams have figured us out. If we are hot from the three point line it works but we are usually not that hot.
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We were all probably over-excited after beating Miami Wednesday. Let's not be over-pessimistic after this one.

I still never would have expected this team to win 16 games, likely at least 17, this season.

That being said, it was a horrible game. Counting free throws, KSU missed 59 shots. That's hard even to type.

Top season scorers were 3 of 17 (Carter), 4 of 13 (Dingle), 2 of 12 (Poole), 3 of 11 (Golden) and 2 of 5 (Thall). And BG was last in the MAC in field goal defense.

Is point guard the problem? Remember Naddiyah Cross, last year's point guard? And the three or four before that?

Dingle can indeed play out of control (though she's coached to push the ball and go "downhill" hard as often as she can). She need to double her assists and half her turnovers.

I'm sure she got to the basket every time she tried in high school (three state championship teams), and college players are so much better. But without her, team would be closer to 11-16 than 16-11. But she and Starkey have told me repeatedly she has a lot still to learn.

The game was not pleasant to watch. Let's hope Akron on Wednesday is better.

Buffalo beat first-place Miami 86-61 in Buffalo after winning at Ohio 73-43 on Wednesday. I think they've clinched the fourth seed, but the MAC tie-breakers are so complicated I'm not sure what would happen if the Flashes won their last two and Buffalo lost. (About a 2 percent chance of that happening.)

Toledo beat NIU 73-63 at Toledo to take over fifth by itself. NIU and Kent are tied for sixth. Toledo still has to play at Eastern and at first-place Central. KSU plays at Akron and finishes at home against Buffalo. Kent owns the tie-breaker over Toledo and Northern.

As always, game story is on the blog at http://wbbflashes.com.
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My opinion that we would shoot much more consistently if we just don't force it and find the open person in rhythm. That and make our wide open layups. At times it just seems like the wrong players are getting shots, sometimes because of shot clock but sometimes just because.
i.e. Box score says Thall had 6 shots.....Young had 3. I think Thall top 3 in 3pt% in conference.
They just need to pass better period. Makes the game easy.
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(03-02-2019 06:17 PM)cschierh Wrote:  We were all probably over-excited after beating Miami Wednesday. Let's not be over-pessimistic after this one.

I still never would have expected this team to win 16 games, likely at least 17, this season.

That being said, it was a horrible game. Counting free throws, KSU missed 59 shots. That's hard even to type.

Top season scorers were 3 of 17 (Carter), 4 of 13 (Dingle), 2 of 12 (Poole), 3 of 11 (Golden) and 2 of 5 (Thall). And BG was last in the MAC in field goal defense.

Is point guard the problem? Remember Naddiyah Cross, last year's point guard? And the three or four before that?

Dingle can indeed play out of control (though she's coached to push the ball and go "downhill" hard as often as she can). She need to double her assists and half her turnovers.

I'm sure she got to the basket every time she tried in high school (three state championship teams), and college players are so much better. But without her, team would be closer to 11-16 than 16-11. But she and Starkey have told me repeatedly she has a lot still to learn.

The game was not pleasant to watch. Let's hope Akron on Wednesday is better.

Buffalo beat first-place Miami 86-61 in Buffalo after winning at Ohio 73-43 on Wednesday. I think they've clinched the fourth seed, but the MAC tie-breakers are so complicated I'm not sure what would happen if the Flashes won their last two and Buffalo lost. (About a 2 percent chance of that happening.)

Toledo beat NIU 73-63 at Toledo to take over fifth by itself. NIU and Kent are tied for sixth. Toledo still has to play at Eastern and at first-place Central. KSU plays at Akron and finishes at home against Buffalo. Kent owns the tie-breaker over Toledo and Northern.

As always, game story is on the blog at http://wbbflashes.com.

At this point doesn't matter what seed they get as long as they are playing good basketball. It's hard to beat any team in this league.
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(03-02-2019 06:17 PM)cschierh Wrote:  We were all probably over-excited after beating Miami Wednesday. Let's not be over-pessimistic after this one.

I still never would have expected this team to win 16 games, likely at least 17, this season.

That being said, it was a horrible game. Counting free throws, KSU missed 59 shots. That's hard even to type.

Top season scorers were 3 of 17 (Carter), 4 of 13 (Dingle), 2 of 12 (Poole), 3 of 11 (Golden) and 2 of 5 (Thall). And BG was last in the MAC in field goal defense.

Is point guard the problem? Remember Naddiyah Cross, last year's point guard? And the three or four before that?

Dingle can indeed play out of control (though she's coached to push the ball and go "downhill" hard as often as she can). She need to double her assists and half her turnovers.

I'm sure she got to the basket every time she tried in high school (three state championship teams), and college players are so much better. But without her, team would be closer to 11-16 than 16-11. But she and Starkey have told me repeatedly she has a lot still to learn.

The game was not pleasant to watch. Let's hope Akron on Wednesday is better.

Buffalo beat first-place Miami 86-61 in Buffalo after winning at Ohio 73-43 on Wednesday. I think they've clinched the fourth seed, but the MAC tie-breakers are so complicated I'm not sure what would happen if the Flashes won their last two and Buffalo lost. (About a 2 percent chance of that happening.)

Toledo beat NIU 73-63 at Toledo to take over fifth by itself. NIU and Kent are tied for sixth. Toledo still has to play at Eastern and at first-place Central. KSU plays at Akron and finishes at home against Buffalo. Kent owns the tie-breaker over Toledo and Northern.

As always, game story is on the blog at http://wbbflashes.com.

I don’t want Cross back but Zerman, BUrden or Smith (all played well as freshmen) would be nice. Maybe the problem is how Starkey is pushing her but either way we need to slow down. By that I don’t mean foot speed as I love our quickness. It’s the pace we push things when it’s not there. Quickness is great on defense and on fast breaks, if uncontrolled it can hurt you in the half court offense and it is right now. We hit some unbelievable shots in that Miami game but that’s not going to happen very often.
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I don't really disagree with anything Burden and Flashtastic have said. Dingle indeed needs to grow as a point guard. But if she's not KSU's first member of the all-freshman team since Chenel Harris in 2008, I'll be astonished. (I think Thall has a shot, too.)

If you take Dingle's driving — even in half court — away from her, you take away who she is as a player. She has to learn to drive more judiciously, for sure. She has to learn to finish better, but so does the rest of the team. Their awful two-point percentage I wrote about earlier this week is the reason they're not 11-5 or 12-4 in the league.

Both Dingle and Carter are at their worst when they dribble for a while, then go one-on-one. The coaches know that, too, and have tried to preach ball movement in practice. The team had eight assists Saturday. When they have 12 or so, they're a much better team. Dingle is averaging 2.5 assists a game; that's way too low for a point guard.

Thall leads the MAC in 3-point percentage at a little over 49. She averages about seven-and-a-half shots a game, which includes give-and-a-half 3-pointers. She took six shots Saturday. She ought to shoot more, and I've heard coaches say that, too. They run plays for her. But a player needs to get open from those plays, too, and teams certainly are focusing on her outside. Thall also is taking more shots and averaging more points than either Jordan Korinek or Lindsey Shearer did as freshmen.

(Dingle is averaging three points more than Zerman did as a freshman, though Zerman was a more complete player.)

I definitely agree with Flashtastic that seedings aren't going to make much difference now that KSU has lost the chance at the bye. None of the bottom three teams has won more than three games. Of course, one of them is BG.

Right now Kent would play Western Michigan, which they beat twice by four points in less-than-overpowering games. If they won, they'd get Ohio or Miami in the quarterfinals.

I suppose I may sound like an apologist for the team. But they are going to have a winning record despite having lost three starters, including one of the best players in KSU history (Korinek). They've done it with four freshmen in their top eight players. They've done a lot of good things this season.

We all want championships, and I think there's a very good chance this group (with another excellent set of recruits coming in next year) will bring us one. Just not this year.
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(03-03-2019 01:19 AM)cschierh Wrote:  I don't really disagree with anything Burden and Flashtastic have said. Dingle indeed needs to grow as a point guard. But if she's not KSU's first member of the all-freshman team since Chenel Harris in 2008, I'll be astonished. (I think Thall has a shot, too.)

If you take Dingle's driving — even in half court — away from her, you take away who she is as a player. She has to learn to drive more judiciously, for sure. She has to learn to finish better, but so does the rest of the team. Their awful two-point percentage I wrote about earlier this week is the reason they're not 11-5 or 12-4 in the league.

Both Dingle and Carter are at their worst when they dribble for a while, then go one-on-one. The coaches know that, too, and have tried to preach ball movement in practice. The team had eight assists Saturday. When they have 12 or so, they're a much better team. Dingle is averaging 2.5 assists a game; that's way too low for a point guard.

Thall leads the MAC in 3-point percentage at a little over 49. She averages about seven-and-a-half shots a game, which includes give-and-a-half 3-pointers. She took six shots Saturday. She ought to shoot more, and I've heard coaches say that, too. They run plays for her. But a player needs to get open from those plays, too, and teams certainly are focusing on her outside. Thall also is taking more shots and averaging more points than either Jordan Korinek or Lindsey Shearer did as freshmen.

(Dingle is averaging three points more than Zerman did as a freshman, though Zerman was a more complete player.)

I definitely agree with Flashtastic that seedings aren't going to make much difference now that KSU has lost the chance at the bye. None of the bottom three teams has won more than three games. Of course, one of them is BG.

Right now Kent would play Western Michigan, which they beat twice by four points in less-than-overpowering games. If they won, they'd get Ohio or Miami in the quarterfinals.

I suppose I may sound like an apologist for the team. But they are going to have a winning record despite having lost three starters, including one of the best players in KSU history (Korinek). They've done it with four freshmen in their top eight players. They've done a lot of good things this season.

We all want championships, and I think there's a very good chance this group (with another excellent set of recruits coming in next year) will bring us one. Just not this year.

I agree both Dingle and Thall should be on all freshman team, there is not another freshman in the league that has done more than either of them. Dingle points/steals, thall points/efficiency (3pt%), and blocks. I agree the future is bright. Young will improve even more. All three recruits should get minutes as freshman. The success of this years team will depend on 4 quarters of defense and sharing/moving ball, making the extra pass on offense.

Bye I would rather play west. Mich than BG.
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First let me start by saying I’m glad Dingle is on our team because we probably couldn’t defend her very well. I’m just concerned she seems to be making the same mistakes she made in game one. Carter too but first of all she is not as bad and secondly as a fourth year player she probably isn’t changing. If you read my posts over the years you would know I’m not a big believer in the freshman excuse. Yeah they have to learn and they will improve but you usually know after 5 or 10 games whether the player is any good. So do the coaches. Dingle is good but it concerns me she is not changing her style some. I always remember Lindsay’s early teams. They almost never beat anybody good until he slowed down a bit and started playing better half court offense and defense. Good teams won’t let you get 30 easy baskets a game. Our two point shooting % is not bad because we are bad shooters it’s bad because we look like we are trying to win a game of horse. Degree of difficulty helps a gymnast unfortunately they don’t give you 4 points if you make a tough shot.

The other thing that annoys me when we play BG this year is that at least half the BG team appears to be out of shape. Every time we pressed good things seemed to happen yet we did it very little. Maybe because of lack of depth but three point shooters aren’t very good when their tired and I think yesterday we had to try something.

Finally the fact that we lost three seniors from last years team was not a big deal. This team could beat last years team with ease (I was going to say with their eyes closed but then I remembered yesterday’s shooting percentage).
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A spirited discussion on women's basketball. Perhaps a first.

Has Dingle improved? That is a really good question. Here's what statistics say:

FG% Non-conf 37.9. MAC: 36.2
3-pt% NC: 14% MAC: 18% (YUCK)
Assists NC: 1.6 MAC: 2.4
TO NC: 3.5 MAC: 3.1
Steals NC: 1.7 MAC: 2.1

MAC schedule has been much tougher than non-conference. Non-MAC strength of schedule was 134. Current SOS is 84.

So except for a slight decline in FG percentage, she's done better against better competition, though not hugely.

Freshman excuses? Certainly by now, there should be none. But players do get better. Look at Carter's scoring average and shooting percentage compared to last year.

The two-point percentage: They seem to miss pretty consistently from everywhere -- lay-ups, jumpers, putbacks. But their layup percentage is pretty bad. (I know these stats are kept, but I don't see them.)

Out of shape? Maybe. My vote would be lack of depth. Carter and Golden are averaging 34-35 minutes, Dingle 31. I wish Hannah Young would play more. But it's hard to keep Carter and Golden off the floor.

Starkey seems to like a short rotation; it hasn't been more than eight in three years. They lose Carter and Barber-Smith to graduation and gain two guards, both all-district and one player of the year, and a forward who's district player of the year in Ky. (All-state won't be announced for a while.) And I really hope they add a 6-3 graduate transfer who can average 7 points, 7 rebounds and play defense. I know Starkey is looking, but there's no guarantee he'll find the right player.

Starkey told me last year that he thought the five incoming freshmen could beat last year's team. He may have been right.

(This team would be something if you could add Korinek to the freshman class.)
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(03-04-2019 12:51 AM)cschierh Wrote:  A spirited discussion on women's basketball. Perhaps a first.

Has Dingle improved? That is a really good question. Here's what statistics say:

FG% Non-conf 37.9. MAC: 36.2
3-pt% NC: 14% MAC: 18% (YUCK)
Assists NC: 1.6 MAC: 2.4
TO NC: 3.5 MAC: 3.1
Steals NC: 1.7 MAC: 2.1

MAC schedule has been much tougher than non-conference. Non-MAC strength of schedule was 134. Current SOS is 84.

So except for a slight decline in FG percentage, she's done better against better competition, though not hugely.

Freshman excuses? Certainly by now, there should be none. But players do get better. Look at Carter's scoring average and shooting percentage compared to last year.

The two-point percentage: They seem to miss pretty consistently from everywhere -- lay-ups, jumpers, putbacks. But their layup percentage is pretty bad. (I know these stats are kept, but I don't see them.)

Out of shape? Maybe. My vote would be lack of depth. Carter and Golden are averaging 34-35 minutes, Dingle 31. I wish Hannah Young would play more. But it's hard to keep Carter and Golden off the floor.

Starkey seems to like a short rotation; it hasn't been more than eight in three years. They lose Carter and Barber-Smith to graduation and gain two guards, both all-district and one player of the year, and a forward who's district player of the year in Ky. (All-state won't be announced for a while.) And I really hope they add a 6-3 graduate transfer who can average 7 points, 7 rebounds and play defense. I know Starkey is looking, but there's no guarantee he'll find the right player.

Starkey told me last year that he thought the five incoming freshmen could beat last year's team. He may have been right.

(This team would be something if you could add Korinek to the freshman class.)

Dingle: they are 90% layups so 36% is not good. And she falls down after almost every attempt which leaves us vulnerable in transition defense. She is an upgrade from last year and has potential but is not currently there. She has had moments. We will see.
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(03-04-2019 12:51 AM)cschierh Wrote:  A spirited discussion on women's basketball. Perhaps a first.

Has Dingle improved? That is a really good question. Here's what statistics say:

FG% Non-conf 37.9. MAC: 36.2
3-pt% NC: 14% MAC: 18% (YUCK)
Assists NC: 1.6 MAC: 2.4
TO NC: 3.5 MAC: 3.1
Steals NC: 1.7 MAC: 2.1

MAC schedule has been much tougher than non-conference. Non-MAC strength of schedule was 134. Current SOS is 84.

So except for a slight decline in FG percentage, she's done better against better competition, though not hugely.

Freshman excuses? Certainly by now, there should be none. But players do get better. Look at Carter's scoring average and shooting percentage compared to last year.

The two-point percentage: They seem to miss pretty consistently from everywhere -- lay-ups, jumpers, putbacks. But their layup percentage is pretty bad. (I know these stats are kept, but I don't see them.)

Out of shape? Maybe. My vote would be lack of depth. Carter and Golden are averaging 34-35 minutes, Dingle 31. I wish Hannah Young would play more. But it's hard to keep Carter and Golden off the floor.

Starkey seems to like a short rotation; it hasn't been more than eight in three years. They lose Carter and Barber-Smith to graduation and gain two guards, both all-district and one player of the year, and a forward who's district player of the year in Ky. (All-state won't be announced for a while.) And I really hope they add a 6-3 graduate transfer who can average 7 points, 7 rebounds and play defense. I know Starkey is looking, but there's no guarantee he'll find the right player.

Starkey told me last year that he thought the five incoming freshmen could beat last year's team. He may have been right.

(This team would be something if you could add Korinek to the freshman class.)

You misunderstood me. BG was out of shape not Kent. I just don’t think they took advantage of it. Some pressing might have worn down the BG shooters. Also those statistical differences are pretty small. I doubt any of them except for assists are statistically significant. I’ll look at the numbers and test them out.
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