(07-11-2018 01:44 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 11:43 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  How is tampa a small market? they are #13 media market. Or do you just mean cheap owners?

In baseball, they are a small market. LA, New York, the Bay Area, Balt./Washington and Chicago each have two teams. Baltimore is technically smaller but has seniority over Washington in virtually the same market and has had a team much longer than Tampa Bay. Toronto is a bigger market as a singularity and the only team in Canada, making it a much bigger market. Many places that are technically smaller, especially St. Louis, have had teams for decades longer if not over a full century. Finally, TB punches well below its weight as a baseball market, let alone as a sports market.

Add it all up, and Tampa Bay is indeed a small market for baseball. Amazingly, it's probably bigger than Miami for baseball.

All the reasons that the Rays will be in Montreal in 10 years. $$$$$$$

(07-11-2018 05:37 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  I lived in Florida with beaches on both sides to go in the summer. I used to live in Orlando for 41 years and baseball there was considered just minor league that you go a few times a year. I have not been there since 1999, but I really don't think that has changed much.

Ditto. I'm looking for water in July/Aug. Pool, beach, lake, firehose, whatever.

I'm a st pete guy. I live there and spend most of my free time there. They have done a great job with downtown st pete and there are a ton of things to do for young people.

That said, I hope this gets built. The stadium in that part of Tampa makes a lot more sense. It will still be accessible for Pinellas County, much easier for Hillsborough, and becomes an option for people driving from Orlando. Beautiful stadium, hope it gets built.

I'm thinking Portland, Nashville, Montreal, Memphis, New Orleans, San Antonio, and Salt Lake City builds a stadium for this team before Tampa does. The MLB does not belong in Florida, spring training does. This should be a non issue 20 years later, but they still seem to keep pushing it, like it'll ever work.

My God, the Jacksonville Double A team does better in attendance than the Marlins. I'm sure the D-Rays aren't that far ahead of Miami either.

I went to game once at the Trop and enjoyed it. I like quirky stadiums. As for markets without a franchise, I hope Montreal gets another team soon. Check out Up, Up and Away by Jonah Keri. A great read on the Expos franchise.

Dallas also needs a franchise. DFW is the largest market without two MLB teams. The Rangers are in Tarrant County and the franchise has always marketed itself as a FW/small town team way more than Dallas. Plus, it is almost impossible for Dallasites and people in Collin County to get to a weekday game when you factor in time and traffic.

(07-16-2018 09:09 PM)Coach Bonez89 Wrote:  I'm thinking Portland, Nashville, Montreal, Memphis, New Orleans, San Antonio, and Salt Lake City builds a stadium for this team before Tampa does. The MLB does not belong in Florida, spring training does. This should be a non issue 20 years later, but they still seem to keep pushing it, like it'll ever work.

My God, the Jacksonville Double A team does better in attendance than the Marlins. I'm sure the D-Rays aren't that far ahead of Miami either.

The MLB doesn't belong in St Pete. It's never been tried in Tampa (you know the major city in the Tampa Bay metro).

There's a reason the Lightning and Bucs are in Tampa. Putting a stadium in St Pete was idiotic and stupid, and made it virtually impossible for any fans to get to games.

If you don't understand that, then you don't understand the Tampa market, and I can't help you.

(07-17-2018 09:30 AM)Moody Magic Wrote:  I went to game once at the Trop and enjoyed it. I like quirky stadiums. As for markets without a franchise, I hope Montreal gets another team soon. Check out Up, Up and Away by Jonah Keri. A great read on the Expos franchise.

Dallas also needs a franchise. DFW is the largest market without two MLB teams. The Rangers are in Tarrant County and the franchise has always marketed itself as a FW/small town team way more than Dallas. Plus, it is almost impossible for Dallasites and people in Collin County to get to a weekday game when you factor in time and traffic.

Thank you! The exact reason Tampa fans can't get to Rays games in St Pete. And with a medium sized metro like Tampa, you need the stadium in a location where the fans can actually get to.

(07-16-2018 09:09 PM)Coach Bonez89 Wrote:  I'm thinking Portland, Nashville, Montreal, Memphis, New Orleans, San Antonio, and Salt Lake City builds a stadium for this team before Tampa does. The MLB does not belong in Florida, spring training does. This should be a non issue 20 years later, but they still seem to keep pushing it, like it'll ever work.

My God, the Jacksonville Double A team does better in attendance than the Marlins. I'm sure the D-Rays aren't that far ahead of Miami either.

yah thats fake news.

Marlins average a pathetic 10K. Jacksonville Jumbo Shrimp average about half, 5K.

(07-17-2018 09:30 AM)Moody Magic Wrote:  I went to game once at the Trop and enjoyed it. I like quirky stadiums. As for markets without a franchise, I hope Montreal gets another team soon. Check out Up, Up and Away by Jonah Keri. A great read on the Expos franchise.

Dallas also needs a franchise. DFW is the largest market without two MLB teams. The Rangers are in Tarrant County and the franchise has always marketed itself as a FW/small town team way more than Dallas. Plus, it is almost impossible for Dallasites and people in Collin County to get to a weekday game when you factor in time and traffic.

I'd agree if one team was in Dallas already and the other in Fort Worth. DFW hypothetically could support two teams but the sport most likely would have to be football.

They look pretty cool, let's hope that they can grow grass inside!

(07-17-2018 09:50 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(07-17-2018 09:30 AM)Moody Magic Wrote:  I went to game once at the Trop and enjoyed it. I like quirky stadiums. As for markets without a franchise, I hope Montreal gets another team soon. Check out Up, Up and Away by Jonah Keri. A great read on the Expos franchise.

Dallas also needs a franchise. DFW is the largest market without two MLB teams. The Rangers are in Tarrant County and the franchise has always marketed itself as a FW/small town team way more than Dallas. Plus, it is almost impossible for Dallasites and people in Collin County to get to a weekday game when you factor in time and traffic.

I'd agree if one team was in Dallas already and the other in Fort Worth. DFW hypothetically could support two teams but the sport most likely would have to be football.

There is already a group working on getting a team to Dallas. They have kept it very low profile. Supposedly they have the location for a ballpark just south of downtown and on the DART line. This will bring most of Dallas, all of Collin County and Rockwall County into play. The train access is huge. This might be 5-10 years away but it will happen eventually, and most likely as a relocation rather than expansion.

(07-11-2018 01:19 PM)Doglando Wrote:  so many haters in this thread its unreal. the rays have a good following, evidenced by solid tv numbers usually around middle of the pack in the MLB. Many people care about the rays in the area, its just noone wants to drive to st pete to watch a game in a warehouse. cant blame em. estimates say there are twice the amount of people within a 30 minutes drive to ybor compared to the trop. ybor park will be built and be a success. move on, find a new slant.

I agree. The location of the Trop is too far from Tampa and the Orlando markets and the Trop sucks as a ballpark. I think the size is a little too small. It should be at least 37,000.

(07-17-2018 03:38 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  yah thats fake news.

Marlins average a pathetic 10K. Jacksonville Jumbo Shrimp average about half, 5K.

I chuckle every time I hear/read that name.

(07-18-2018 10:49 AM)Moody Magic Wrote:  

(07-17-2018 09:50 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(07-17-2018 09:30 AM)Moody Magic Wrote:  I went to game once at the Trop and enjoyed it. I like quirky stadiums. As for markets without a franchise, I hope Montreal gets another team soon. Check out Up, Up and Away by Jonah Keri. A great read on the Expos franchise.

Dallas also needs a franchise. DFW is the largest market without two MLB teams. The Rangers are in Tarrant County and the franchise has always marketed itself as a FW/small town team way more than Dallas. Plus, it is almost impossible for Dallasites and people in Collin County to get to a weekday game when you factor in time and traffic.

I'd agree if one team was in Dallas already and the other in Fort Worth. DFW hypothetically could support two teams but the sport most likely would have to be football.

There is already a group working on getting a team to Dallas. They have kept it very low profile. Supposedly they have the location for a ballpark just south of downtown and on the DART line. This will bring most of Dallas, all of Collin County and Rockwall County into play. The train access is huge. This might be 5-10 years away but it will happen eventually, and most likely as a relocation rather than expansion.

I'd say that'd work if the team was in Fort Worth. The Rangers are in Arlington which isn't perfect for the Dallas side but a solid neutral location. It'd make more sense for an NBA team to park in Fort Worth.

(07-18-2018 08:33 PM)Harry J Wrote:  

(07-17-2018 03:38 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  yah thats fake news.

Marlins average a pathetic 10K. Jacksonville Jumbo Shrimp average about half, 5K.

I chuckle every time I hear/read that name.

I'd think a nickname like the Jacks would make way more sense than Jumbo Shrimp, which is too many syllables. Heck, they could have called them the Jumbos and just used a shrimp as a logo.

(07-10-2018 08:55 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 08:43 PM)panite Wrote:  Looks nice but why not build a stadium with a retractable roof for nice days and close it on rainy days. Also where will people park outside of the proposed 1,000 car parking garage. Good luck - hope the Rays don't run into the same problems Temple is going through to build their OCS in the middle of the city.

The translucent glass roof will let in sunlight. Also the glass walls will let in more light. You will be able to see through the roof somewhat. A retractable roof doesn't make sense in Florida, because it would only be open a handful of days early in the season and late in the season due to the combination of heat, humidity, and daily rain. The Miami Marlin's stadium is hardly ever open, so they paid extra for something they didn't need. This is not a hard roof dome like the trop. The outside light will get in.

Also, there are 23,000 parking spots within 1 mile of this site, for a 30,000 seat stadium. Meaning if every single fan took their own car to the game, there would almost be enough spots.

When I read about this and saw the renderings, it made me think of the old Astrodome in Houston and the issues with its roof covering;

Quote:...baseball players complained that light reflecting from the glass panels in the roof made it hard for them to see when they were trying to catch a ball in the air.

When the panels were painted white this led to another problem. The lack of direct sunlight caused most of the grass to die, which led to artificial turf being introduced, what became known as Astroturf....

source

(07-21-2018 08:41 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 08:55 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 08:43 PM)panite Wrote:  Looks nice but why not build a stadium with a retractable roof for nice days and close it on rainy days. Also where will people park outside of the proposed 1,000 car parking garage. Good luck - hope the Rays don't run into the same problems Temple is going through to build their OCS in the middle of the city.

The translucent glass roof will let in sunlight. Also the glass walls will let in more light. You will be able to see through the roof somewhat. A retractable roof doesn't make sense in Florida, because it would only be open a handful of days early in the season and late in the season due to the combination of heat, humidity, and daily rain. The Miami Marlin's stadium is hardly ever open, so they paid extra for something they didn't need. This is not a hard roof dome like the trop. The outside light will get in.

Also, there are 23,000 parking spots within 1 mile of this site, for a 30,000 seat stadium. Meaning if every single fan took their own car to the game, there would almost be enough spots.

When I read about this and saw the renderings, it made me think of the old Astrodome in Houston and the issues with its roof covering;

Quote:...baseball players complained that light reflecting from the glass panels in the roof made it hard for them to see when they were trying to catch a ball in the air.

When the panels were painted white this led to another problem. The lack of direct sunlight caused most of the grass to die, which led to artificial turf being introduced, what became known as Astroturf....

source

Good thing technology has improved in the 56 years since they built the Astrodome.

(07-22-2018 12:58 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(07-21-2018 08:41 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 08:55 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  The translucent glass roof will let in sunlight. Also the glass walls will let in more light. You will be able to see through the roof somewhat. A retractable roof doesn't make sense in Florida, because it would only be open a handful of days early in the season and late in the season due to the combination of heat, humidity, and daily rain. The Miami Marlin's stadium is hardly ever open, so they paid extra for something they didn't need. This is not a hard roof dome like the trop. The outside light will get in.

Also, there are 23,000 parking spots within 1 mile of this site, for a 30,000 seat stadium. Meaning if every single fan took their own car to the game, there would almost be enough spots.

When I read about this and saw the renderings, it made me think of the old Astrodome in Houston and the issues with its roof covering;

Quote:...baseball players complained that light reflecting from the glass panels in the roof made it hard for them to see when they were trying to catch a ball in the air.

When the panels were painted white this led to another problem. The lack of direct sunlight caused most of the grass to die, which led to artificial turf being introduced, what became known as Astroturf....

source

Good thing technology has improved in the 56 years since they built the Astrodome.

I figured it has; would like to know more info on their plans and how the technology of their translucent paneling differs from what they did in the old Astrodome. Specifically: how would they deal with the glare problem--there was an awful lot of glass/translucent paneling in those renderings. First thing I wondered was how would anyone be able to see a white baseball against all that on a sunny day (or even a cloudy/rainy day?)

No natural grass would be a non starter. You are going to spend almost 900 millon and still play on fake turf?

ask the Players, they hate playing on turf and some players have blamed it on shortening their prime(Carl Crawford)

(07-11-2018 01:44 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 11:43 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  How is tampa a small market? they are #13 media market. Or do you just mean cheap owners?

In baseball, they are a small market. LA, New York, the Bay Area, Balt./Washington and Chicago each have two teams. Baltimore is technically smaller but has seniority over Washington in virtually the same market and has had a team much longer than Tampa Bay. Toronto is a bigger market as a singularity and the only team in Canada, making it a much bigger market. Many places that are technically smaller, especially St. Louis, have had teams for decades longer if not over a full century. Finally, TB punches well below its weight as a baseball market, let alone as a sports market.

Add it all up, and Tampa Bay is indeed a small market for baseball. Amazingly, it's probably bigger than Miami for baseball.

And Tampa feels like a smaller market than their actual ranking. Orlando is a smaller market but feels more urban. Anyone that has traveled a lot knows what I'm talking about. It's weird bc Tampa has a lot of pieces to become even bigger than Miami but everything moves at a snails pace.