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RE: Amid less CUSA revenue, UAB forced to make tough cuts
(07-12-2018 06:11 AM)ghostofclt Wrote:  
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(07-11-2018 08:10 PM)ghostofclt Wrote:  clt asks how many colleges are in Alabama?

9 D-1 programs, 5 FBS 4 FCS
4 DII
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That’s a lot of football programs in Alabama, and before South started playing, the closest one to Mobile was 3 hours away.

clt says that seems like a lot for a small state

clt you messing with us again bro? Alabama is 52,419 sq mi. For reference, NC is 53,819 sq mi. Alabama is not small! Unless your frame of reference is Texas, then we are all small.
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RE: Amid less CUSA revenue, UAB forced to make tough cuts
(07-12-2018 06:27 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(07-12-2018 06:11 AM)ghostofclt Wrote:  
(07-11-2018 10:14 PM)Usajags Wrote:  
(07-11-2018 08:10 PM)ghostofclt Wrote:  clt asks how many colleges are in Alabama?

9 D-1 programs, 5 FBS 4 FCS
4 DII
2 DIII
2 NAIA

That’s a lot of football programs in Alabama, and before South started playing, the closest one to Mobile was 3 hours away.

clt says that seems like a lot for a small state

clt you messing with us again bro? Alabama is 52,419 sq mi. For reference, NC is 53,819 sq mi. Alabama is not small! Unless your frame of reference is Texas, then we are all small.

I think he means relative to population. Alabama has about 5 million people and North Carolina has about 10 million. Wyoming has about 500k, but is a much bigger state.
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RE: Amid less CUSA revenue, UAB forced to make tough cuts
(07-12-2018 06:11 AM)ghostofclt Wrote:  
(07-11-2018 10:14 PM)Usajags Wrote:  
(07-11-2018 08:10 PM)ghostofclt Wrote:  clt asks how many colleges are in Alabama?

9 D-1 programs, 5 FBS 4 FCS
4 DII
2 DIII
2 NAIA

That’s a lot of football programs in Alabama, and before South started playing, the closest one to Mobile was 3 hours away.

clt says that seems like a lot for a small state

Eh, Alabama is an underrated state for football talent, and there's plenty to go around for the 5 D1 programs. Even then, the schools have carved out their niches fairly well. Alabama recruits nationally, Auburn primarily recruits Georgia, South can get people from Mobile (the state's hot bed), etc. etc.
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clt says Alabama needs 3 colleges. Auburn, UAB and Dothan tech.
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(07-12-2018 03:37 PM)ghostofclt Wrote:  clt says Alabama needs 3 colleges. Auburn, UAB and Dothan tech.

Sounds about right to me. 04-cheers
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Sounds good to me as well.
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(07-10-2018 11:49 PM)banker Wrote:  Sorry, but I would file suit if I were that dude. That's just bad to hire for a position and then eliminate it before the person starts. That's bad faith.

I concur.
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(07-10-2018 10:50 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  Sadly, this is only going to become more common for members of the G5. Budget issues will eventually force the G5 members to regionalize to save on travel and hopefully raise attendance/ticket rev with more regional rivals that will also be close enough for visiting fans to attend.

This is where it's all headed for G5. Rice has already scheduled OOC games with ULL and area FCS schools. They have fans that will show up and fill seats. It's a sad reality. Once the Big 12's future is determined, I expect to see movement.
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(07-11-2018 01:46 PM)Usajags Wrote:  
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(07-11-2018 09:15 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  USM has equally bad budgeting problems, but I hope that we don't dump on a guy as bad as UAB did on the dad with two young kids. That was just not cool. In fact it was just downright cowardly the way it went down. Shame on UAB.

I bet USM don't have to deal with the same problems that UAB is dealing with. Administrative people with interests aligned with best interests of some other organization are always a bad idea. Either UAB has to figure out a way to get UAB's future out of the hands of those slimy folks in the Bama system or break away entirely and form their own BOT that doesn't give a rats ass about what happens in Fucksloosa. I feel for UAB and that dude that lost the job and is unemployed. We all have a variety of problems like budget, bad AD, attendance, recruiting soon and so forth but this is just a ****** up situation that UAB have to some how manage to get out of. I mean how many schools have their FB program shutdown by a slime ball and have to go put up a fight to bring it back.

UAB will never break from UA, the medical school is worth much more money then football ever will be. Ultimately, the board shut the program down a year to late, if they wanted it to stick. When CBC got there and started winning, finally, the fans were coming back. That’s the only reason the city even took notice. Had they shut it down during the previous year, no one would have cared.

Now with that said, there needs to be more representation in support of UAB on the BOT. Just not sure when/if that will ever happen. The big thing is getting the Bryant hanger on’s off the board. And that is happening.

+1. The timing was all wrong.
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We are lining up to play our FCS games against the SWAC teams and other FCS that travel.
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RE: Amid less CUSA revenue, UAB forced to make tough cuts
(07-12-2018 07:54 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
(07-10-2018 10:50 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  Sadly, this is only going to become more common for members of the G5. Budget issues will eventually force the G5 members to regionalize to save on travel and hopefully raise attendance/ticket rev with more regional rivals that will also be close enough for visiting fans to attend.

This is where it's all headed for G5. Rice has already scheduled OOC games with ULL and area FCS schools. They have fans that will show up and fill seats. It's a sad reality. Once the Big 12's future is determined, I expect to see movement.

You really think that $30,000 made off 1200 ULL fans is going to made a difference? I'm probably over shooting that number by half.

Till Rice fans actually show up...you can schedule as many ULL or FCS schools as you want. It will not make a dent in any football budget. That's the sad reality. No I'm not talking about the number Rice releases.
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(07-13-2018 11:34 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-12-2018 07:54 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
(07-10-2018 10:50 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  Sadly, this is only going to become more common for members of the G5. Budget issues will eventually force the G5 members to regionalize to save on travel and hopefully raise attendance/ticket rev with more regional rivals that will also be close enough for visiting fans to attend.

This is where it's all headed for G5. Rice has already scheduled OOC games with ULL and area FCS schools. They have fans that will show up and fill seats. It's a sad reality. Once the Big 12's future is determined, I expect to see movement.

You really think that $30,000 made off 1200 ULL fans is going to made a difference? I'm probably over shooting that number by half.

Till Rice fans actually show up...you can schedule as many ULL or FCS schools as you want. It will not make a dent in any football budget. That's the sad reality. No I'm not talking about the number Rice releases.

I think your math may be a little off, but it's better than making no money at all from zero visiting fans. Granted, Rice needs to put a consistently competitive product on the field, but how many fans is Rice supposed to have? It's the second smallest school in FBS, and it's located in the heart of NFL country. There are less than 40k living alumni! Tulane University has the exact same problem. Look at their attendence.
For the sake of comparison, WKU must have at least 200 thousand living alumni, who I would guess mostly live within four hours of your campus. Your a public school. You have no NFL. Why is your own attendance so awful, especially under such favorable conditions? You guys are bleeding so bad that you just had to cut your athletics budget by more than $1 million annually. Something has got to change.
So yes, scheduling area schools and moving into a much more regional conference would increase ticket sales and save a lot of money, respectively.
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(07-13-2018 02:57 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
(07-13-2018 11:34 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-12-2018 07:54 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
(07-10-2018 10:50 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  Sadly, this is only going to become more common for members of the G5. Budget issues will eventually force the G5 members to regionalize to save on travel and hopefully raise attendance/ticket rev with more regional rivals that will also be close enough for visiting fans to attend.

This is where it's all headed for G5. Rice has already scheduled OOC games with ULL and area FCS schools. They have fans that will show up and fill seats. It's a sad reality. Once the Big 12's future is determined, I expect to see movement.

You really think that $30,000 made off 1200 ULL fans is going to made a difference? I'm probably over shooting that number by half.

Till Rice fans actually show up...you can schedule as many ULL or FCS schools as you want. It will not make a dent in any football budget. That's the sad reality. No I'm not talking about the number Rice releases.

I think your math may be a little off, but it's better than making no money at all from zero visiting fans. Granted, Rice needs to put a consistently competitive product on the field, but how many fans is Rice supposed to have? It's the second smallest school in FBS, and it's located in the heart of NFL country. There are less than 40k living alumni! Tulane University has the exact same problem. Look at their attendence.
For the sake of comparison, WKU must have at least 200 thousand living alumni, who I would guess mostly live within four hours of your campus. Your a public school. You have no NFL. Why is your own attendance so awful, especially under such favorable conditions? You guys are bleeding so bad that you just had to cut your athletics budget by more than $1 million annually. Something has got to change.
So yes, scheduling area schools and moving into a much more regional conference would increase ticket sales and save a lot of money, respectively.

Show me facts to back up moving to a regional conference will save money or drive up attendance that would make a meaningful difference? As far as Western I'm not the one making a argument on attendance.


Below is the Rice home attendance in the 4 years Western been in CUSA and then the previous 3 years.

No. 21 Baylor* 27047
Army* 24409
Army* 21766
Prairie View A&M 21538
North Texas 20792
UTSA 20134
WKU 20124
Louisiana Tech 19992
Florida Atlantic 19892
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UTEP 19148
FIU 18932
Southern Miss 18656
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Wagner* 18296
UTEP 18164
Southern Miss 18124
Louisiana Tech 18010
North Texas 17956
Old Dominion 17558
Hawaii* 17465
Charlotte 16539

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UCLA* 23,105
Kansas* 22,974
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Marshall 20,247
Tulane 20,048
Louisiana Tech 19,707
Tulsa 17,314
Tulane 15,461
UTEP 15,355
Southern Miss 14,927
Florida Atlantic 14,380
UTEP 14,372
Marshall 14,204
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We've done this before. I don't believe Rice's attendance numbers anymore than I'd believe the attendance numbers of any other G5 school in the nation. It's clear that Rice hasn't come remotely close at all to replacing the rivalries and income it had in the SWC, but it's definitely not going to do that by playing any G5 school in the eastern half of the nation, including those in CUSA. It's not an interesting matchup at home, and it costs too much to make the return trips.
Granted, Rice would manufacture a few thousand fans by fielding good teams, but it still won't be enough. In my opinion that has to be paired with playing familiar competition whose fans will be there on gameday. For Rice, that's SMU, Texas State, TSU, Tulane, Louisiana, UH, Tulsa, etc. These are cheap return games for us, and it gives Rice an opportunity to develop it's own traveling fan base.
What's WKU's unique challenge? Everyone has one. You guys have been very good in football for four years, but attendance is also a very big problem. Something isn't right.
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I didn't read the article. Did they have to cut their football team?
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(07-13-2018 05:43 PM)Ourland Wrote:  We've done this before. I don't believe Rice's attendance numbers anymore than I'd believe the attendance numbers of any other G5 school in the nation. It's clear that Rice hasn't come remotely close at all to replacing the rivalries and income it had in the SWC, but it's definitely not going to do that by playing any G5 school in the eastern half of the nation, including those in CUSA. It's not an interesting matchup at home, and it costs too much to make the return trips.
Granted, Rice would manufacture a few thousand fans by fielding good teams, but it still won't be enough. In my opinion that has to be paired with playing familiar competition whose fans will be there on gameday. For Rice, that's SMU, Texas State, TSU, Tulane, Louisiana, UH, Tulsa, etc. These are cheap return games for us, and it gives Rice an opportunity to develop it's own traveling fan base.
What's WKU's unique challenge? Everyone has one. You guys have been very good in football for four years, but attendance is also a very big problem. Something isn't right.


Western is a basketball school in the middle of a basketball state with 2 national championship programs with in 2 hours of the school. Also in a poor state where fans identify with being a fan of the state school.

With that Bowling Green sits with in a 3.5 hour drive of 4 SEC schools (1 in state and 2 border state) With in a 1.5 hour drive of a AAC school. With in 4 hours or so of 3 Big 10 schools

So to most fans the G5 are closer to D2 than the P5.

But even in Bowling Green and Warren Co. most of the growth has come from outside the state or country. So those fans have connections to the area they came from. When the GM plant moved to BG in the late 80s....3,000 or so came from Missouri. Those people had no connection to Western. We are getting to a point a lot of the children of those families should have built ties to BG and Western.

Over the last 20 years a ton of non Americans (1,000s) has made Bowling Green their home. To most of those football is not played on a 100 yard field.

That is just a few of the problems but I would say the number one is .....CUSA is not the SEC. Also the state of KY is a overall poor state and even if BG is probably a little better off than most of the state....

ticket cost hurts especially when all home games are shown live on local TV (Western's TV station)....in full HD. So given that it cost a father and son the better part of $100 to go to the game and each get a coke and hotdog....

sitting at home in from of a clear TV and getting a couple pizzas probably wins out more than it needs to.

But I bet if we go by % of population with in 30 mile range. Western's attendance is in the top 3 or 4 of the conference ... As poor as it is. Just not enough Western first fans
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(07-13-2018 05:43 PM)Ourland Wrote:  It's clear that Rice hasn't come remotely close at all to replacing the rivalries and income it had in the SWC, but it's definitely not going to do that by playing any G5 school in the eastern half of the nation, including those in CUSA. It's not an interesting matchup at home, and it costs too much to make the return trips.

Accurate assessment IMHO. Successful (budget-wise) G5 programs of the future will produce consistently winning teams pitted against high-quality regional foes within easy (lower costs) travel distance for fans. Tough to argue against that logic.
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(07-14-2018 07:45 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  
(07-13-2018 05:43 PM)Ourland Wrote:  It's clear that Rice hasn't come remotely close at all to replacing the rivalries and income it had in the SWC, but it's definitely not going to do that by playing any G5 school in the eastern half of the nation, including those in CUSA. It's not an interesting matchup at home, and it costs too much to make the return trips.

Accurate assessment IMHO. Successful (budget-wise) G5 programs of the future will produce consistently winning teams pitted against high-quality regional foes within easy (lower costs) travel distance for fans. Tough to argue against that logic.

Then explain to me why Tech went away from the most regional conference they could have in the SBC?

There is no conference makeup that is going to be all bus league. Once you do that you will see recruiting start taking a nose dive because if you are busing 3 to 5 hours to each sporting event....other coaches will use that against you.

If regional conferences were the best for us we all would go back to where we started

Plus I just dont see that big of a difference in attendance to make a difference. The Northwestern State games were season home openers. You would think if regional was that important Southern Miss would be close to the top instead below FIU

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Southern* 27905
Louisiana–Lafayette* 26910
Northwestern State* 26004
Northwestern State* 24002
UTSA 23012
UTEP 22101
Rice 22058
Tulane 22035
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WKU 20011
FIU 20010
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It looks like Northwestern State, ULL, and Southern were all well-attended. That doesn't surprise me. I am surprised to see that the Southern Mississippi games didn't draw better. Louisiana Tech was in the WAC for about 10 years. They're a good example of a school that had no rivalries and exorbitant travel. They couldn't get out quickly enough. My guess is that they chose to join CUSA because it's a better conference than the Sun Belt.
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(07-14-2018 12:52 PM)Ourland Wrote:  It looks like Northwestern State, ULL, and Southern were all well-attended. That doesn't surprise me. I am surprised to see that the Southern Mississippi games didn't draw better. Louisiana Tech was in the WAC for about 10 years. They're a good example of a school that had no rivalries and exorbitant travel. They couldn't get out quickly enough. My guess is that they chose to join CUSA because it's a better conference than the Sun Belt.

Since Tech left the SBC to go to the WAC and since they refused to return to the SBC ...regional was not important to Tech.

Then you even say that the better conference is better than a regional conference. Well you can't have it both ways so which is it.....

regional or better conference?

Below is a 3 year look (2007,2010, 2012 Tech's last year in the WAC) and I dont see any drop off in attendance from playing more regional school. Will a regional conference save a school a few dollars on travel? Yes, but will it put butts in the seats? So far the is no proof showing me it will. You could say the opposite is true.


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Navy* 23122
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Idaho 19750
Boise State 19199
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New Mexico State 18211
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