Alabama's interest is less UAB football and more UAB students I would think given the school's push to increase enrollment.

Am I the only who thought the "deal" including no increase in transfers was a trap looming in the future.

(07-11-2018 10:01 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 08:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 08:20 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 05:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  This is why the upcoming AAC deal is so crucial. All G5 football programs lose money and the drain can't go on forever.

Unless the AAC gets a >$10m per school contract, it wont change a thing about their situation. If it comes in, as those of us not AAC fans think, below $4m per school, even perhaps below $3m, then it will cover only 10% of the increase in the cost of doing business over the last seven years.

The only way I can see the AAC getting a very large payout is to convince somebody like Facebook (they just spent some dime to carry La Liga in India) to pay for their content. ESPN/Fox are overloaded with excess content -- and they are paying everything and then some of their war chest on the P5, leaving just some lunch money for everyone else --, and NBC's strategy has nothing to do with college football, while CBS is not concerned with filling up space (they like the academies for their CBSSN, which is lightly watched). That really says the only option for real money is in the new media. But is the new media willing to pay an excess premium without any clear signal they'd get much of an audience? And is the American willing to go that route?

My guess is the American tries to hedge, giving some content to new media and some to ESPN. They want the visibility, but they also want money. How much of each do they give up?

Outside of the P5, only BYU and Boise State with Army, Navy and Air Force do get a little extra money from the networks. I think we might see the G5 go the way like Boise State. There are the likes that would spend extra money for the best teams to air on tv. Last i heard, Boise's contract to have their home games shown on ESPN is a lot more than the individual schools in the MWC. The other schools are jealous. Fresno State, San Diego State and Utah State have upped their on the field performance in the last few years. The other schools need to step up the pace and start beating P5 schools. This have to say that schools in the other conferences have to do the same. Tulsa needs to beat their instate rivals of Oklahoma and Oklahoma State instead of losing by more than 40 points. This also have to say that UAB and other schools in the C-USA need to do the same. If they do not beat a P5, and get blown out to the P5? The tv contracts will dry up.

I love when people talk about contracts and media deals with no clue.

Boise is part of the MWC media deal.

Actually, Boise State was offered by the MWC to bring their football team back was to allow them have a separate tv contract for their home games. The home games are the ones on a separate contract aside from the MWC. Boise State makes more money than any other school in the MWC. That contract deal ends in a few years. If the money is right, and MWC would not let them extend the contract? I think Boise State will go Independent like BYU, and sell all their games on a better contract. Boise is the school that could pull off being Independent since they are getting Florida State to come to Boise for a football game.

(07-11-2018 10:57 AM)Auburn_Blazer Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 10:45 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 01:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2018...ignal.html

Didn't remember hearing about this. UAB will have a new stadium in downtown Birmingham in 2020-2021.

Another boondoggle for the taxpayers of Alabama. Legion Field, appropriately called "Lesion Field" was leased by UAB at exorbitant annual rates from the City of Birmingham (one of the most corrupt and inefficiently run entities in the state of Alabama). To me the concept of paying millions of dollars for a stadium to subsidize the City of Birmingham in order to provide them a one time a year boost from bowl revenue is insane. And to do it so that a State school will have to pay rent to use it is just as inconceivable since they do lose between 15 to 17 million a year by having football.

Why is this so bad? The state of Alabama works on proration. If the state budget loses money in one endeavor it is made up off of all the rest either in revenue, or cut backs. So providing this school with football, which they don't support, is costing other state projects much needed money. It is the height of selfishness on the part of UAB and the height of irresponsibility to the taxpayers.

Just go to the USAToday list of total revenue for the schools and look at the % of subsidy that UAB has and that Troy has. Troy was once an annual contender for championships in the NAIA. But the gravy train of getting into the FBS years later apparently looked alluring enough to start spending in the red with little chance for those championships. Now enough schools have taken the same track with their thinking and the pursuit of what they think is big money, that many states are footing the bills for these unrealistic dreams. In short, it's nuts! And UAB is far from the worst case, but all too typical of the majority of them.

Locked in uses for new stadium:

1. Magic City Classic
2. 6 UAB Games per year
3. Birmingham Bowl
4. 2021 World Games
5. Birmingham Alliance Team
   

The new stadium will open up Birmingham to larger concerts, neutral site football games, and friendly soccer matches, at a minimum. Not to mention that the overall improvements to the BJCC will help Birmingham much larger conferences and events, including hosting the NCAA Tournament. The hope of the Legion is that they'll eventually migrate there as well. What you're saying is nonsensical. The stadium won't even be paid for by Birmingham residents, it's funding is derived primarily from taxes on car rentals.

As for your thoughts on the state funded budget, UAB generated operating revenues of $3.1B, and had an increase in net position of over $200M last year. How dare they allocate $11M in school funds to further the brand of the school. I don't see you causing a stir over Alabama allocating $3M to athletics, or Auburn allocating $3.6M. The USA Today figures you're talking about are unfairly misrepresented because UAB didn't even have football revenues to generate that year.

The Magic City Classic might outdraw half the UAB home games combined.

That's the problem. UAB's athletic expenses outstrip their fan interest and conference revenue.

(07-11-2018 01:09 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 10:01 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 08:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 08:20 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 05:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  This is why the upcoming AAC deal is so crucial. All G5 football programs lose money and the drain can't go on forever.

Unless the AAC gets a >$10m per school contract, it wont change a thing about their situation. If it comes in, as those of us not AAC fans think, below $4m per school, even perhaps below $3m, then it will cover only 10% of the increase in the cost of doing business over the last seven years.

The only way I can see the AAC getting a very large payout is to convince somebody like Facebook (they just spent some dime to carry La Liga in India) to pay for their content. ESPN/Fox are overloaded with excess content -- and they are paying everything and then some of their war chest on the P5, leaving just some lunch money for everyone else --, and NBC's strategy has nothing to do with college football, while CBS is not concerned with filling up space (they like the academies for their CBSSN, which is lightly watched). That really says the only option for real money is in the new media. But is the new media willing to pay an excess premium without any clear signal they'd get much of an audience? And is the American willing to go that route?

My guess is the American tries to hedge, giving some content to new media and some to ESPN. They want the visibility, but they also want money. How much of each do they give up?

Outside of the P5, only BYU and Boise State with Army, Navy and Air Force do get a little extra money from the networks. I think we might see the G5 go the way like Boise State. There are the likes that would spend extra money for the best teams to air on tv. Last i heard, Boise's contract to have their home games shown on ESPN is a lot more than the individual schools in the MWC. The other schools are jealous. Fresno State, San Diego State and Utah State have upped their on the field performance in the last few years. The other schools need to step up the pace and start beating P5 schools. This have to say that schools in the other conferences have to do the same. Tulsa needs to beat their instate rivals of Oklahoma and Oklahoma State instead of losing by more than 40 points. This also have to say that UAB and other schools in the C-USA need to do the same. If they do not beat a P5, and get blown out to the P5? The tv contracts will dry up.

I love when people talk about contracts and media deals with no clue.

Boise is part of the MWC media deal.

Actually, Boise State was offered by the MWC to bring their football team back was to allow them have a separate tv contract for their home games. The home games are the ones on a separate contract aside from the MWC. Boise State makes more money than any other school in the MWC. That contract deal ends in a few years. If the money is right, and MWC would not let them extend the contract? I think Boise State will go Independent like BYU, and sell all their games on a better contract. Boise is the school that could pull off being Independent since they are getting Florida State to come to Boise for a football game.

Boise isn't going independent. They will leverage their program between the MWC and AAC to get the best financial deal. Or, before it comes to that, Boise along with some of the stronger programs in the MWC could try to remove a couple of programs from the MWC. That would increase the overall strength of their conference schedule and might increase the conference payout per team.

(07-11-2018 01:09 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 10:01 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 08:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 08:20 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 05:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  This is why the upcoming AAC deal is so crucial. All G5 football programs lose money and the drain can't go on forever.

Unless the AAC gets a >$10m per school contract, it wont change a thing about their situation. If it comes in, as those of us not AAC fans think, below $4m per school, even perhaps below $3m, then it will cover only 10% of the increase in the cost of doing business over the last seven years.

The only way I can see the AAC getting a very large payout is to convince somebody like Facebook (they just spent some dime to carry La Liga in India) to pay for their content. ESPN/Fox are overloaded with excess content -- and they are paying everything and then some of their war chest on the P5, leaving just some lunch money for everyone else --, and NBC's strategy has nothing to do with college football, while CBS is not concerned with filling up space (they like the academies for their CBSSN, which is lightly watched). That really says the only option for real money is in the new media. But is the new media willing to pay an excess premium without any clear signal they'd get much of an audience? And is the American willing to go that route?

My guess is the American tries to hedge, giving some content to new media and some to ESPN. They want the visibility, but they also want money. How much of each do they give up?

Outside of the P5, only BYU and Boise State with Army, Navy and Air Force do get a little extra money from the networks. I think we might see the G5 go the way like Boise State. There are the likes that would spend extra money for the best teams to air on tv. Last i heard, Boise's contract to have their home games shown on ESPN is a lot more than the individual schools in the MWC. The other schools are jealous. Fresno State, San Diego State and Utah State have upped their on the field performance in the last few years. The other schools need to step up the pace and start beating P5 schools. This have to say that schools in the other conferences have to do the same. Tulsa needs to beat their instate rivals of Oklahoma and Oklahoma State instead of losing by more than 40 points. This also have to say that UAB and other schools in the C-USA need to do the same. If they do not beat a P5, and get blown out to the P5? The tv contracts will dry up.

I love when people talk about contracts and media deals with no clue.

Boise is part of the MWC media deal.

Actually, Boise State was offered by the MWC to bring their football team back was to allow them have a separate tv contract for their home games. The home games are the ones on a separate contract aside from the MWC. Boise State makes more money than any other school in the MWC. That contract deal ends in a few years. If the money is right, and MWC would not let them extend the contract? I think Boise State will go Independent like BYU, and sell all their games on a better contract. Boise is the school that could pull off being Independent since they are getting Florida State to come to Boise for a football game.

No. Boise State does not have a separate tv contract. They just get a larger share of the MW contract. The structure has changed over the years with the bonus arrangement being removed.